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Audrey Wrote:
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> Read Raven's statement in Operations carried on at the pyramids ofGizeh in 1837

    "In clearing the rubbish out of the large entrance-room, after the men had been employed there several days, and had advanced some distance towards the south-eastern corner, some bones were first discovered at the bottom of the rubbish...There was about three feet of rubbish on the top..."
What do you think could account for that much rubbish remaining after the work crew already had spent several days trying to clear out that room?

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Re: Imhotep 453 eyeofhorus33 28-Feb-17 21:47
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Re: Imhotep 445 Martin Stower 01-Mar-17 03:23
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Re: Imhotep 589 Audrey 01-Mar-17 01:10
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The weaselling continues. 424 Martin Stower 02-Mar-17 22:14
Re: The weaselling continues. 549 Origyptian 02-Mar-17 22:26
Re: The weaselling continues. 493 Martin Stower 02-Mar-17 22:51
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Utterance #373 567 cladking 02-Mar-17 01:52
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Great Post 535 cladking 01-Mar-17 19:45
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Re: Imhotep 565 Audrey 02-Mar-17 06:48
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Re: Imhotep 464 cladking 02-Mar-17 17:04
Imhotep's Sandals. 476 cladking 02-Mar-17 17:09
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Re: Imhotep 453 eyeofhorus33 03-Mar-17 22:28
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Re: Imhotep 697 Audrey 04-Mar-17 07:43
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Re: Imhotep 653 Audrey 06-Mar-17 02:50
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Re: Imhotep 520 R Avry Wilson 06-Mar-17 07:06
Re: Imhotep 639 DUNE 06-Mar-17 14:49
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Re: Imhotep 524 DUNE 07-Mar-17 16:49
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Re: Imhotep 542 Audrey 09-Mar-17 01:16
Interpretation vs Communication. 395 cladking 09-Mar-17 14:33
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Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 501 Jon Ellison 09-Mar-17 16:47
You Do the Math. 467 cladking 09-Mar-17 19:32
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Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 606 Jon Ellison 09-Mar-17 20:25
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 387 cladking 09-Mar-17 21:22
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 472 Jon Ellison 09-Mar-17 22:11
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 542 cladking 10-Mar-17 01:34
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 453 SandyJesse 11-Mar-17 02:15
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Who Knew? 408 cladking 12-Mar-17 19:26
Re: Who Knew? 400 Warwick 13-Mar-17 16:05
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Re: Funerary Cult 283 Origyptian 15-Mar-17 20:19
Re: Funerary Cult 418 Martin Stower 15-Mar-17 20:23
Re: Funerary Cult 206 Warwick 15-Mar-17 21:08
Re: Funerary Cult 370 Audrey 14-Mar-17 02:55
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Re: Half cartouche. 294 Jon Ellison 14-Mar-17 12:14
Re: Half cartouche. 340 Martin Stower 14-Mar-17 12:43
Re: Half cartouche. 300 Jon Ellison 14-Mar-17 12:56
Re: Half cartouche. 278 Martin Stower 14-Mar-17 13:37
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Re: Half cartouche. 294 Martin Stower 14-Mar-17 15:00
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Re: Half cartouche. 396 Martin Stower 14-Mar-17 16:34
Re: Half cartouche. 538 Jon Ellison 14-Mar-17 17:19
Re: Half cartouche. 427 Martin Stower 14-Mar-17 20:07
Re: Half cartouche. 349 Jon Ellison 14-Mar-17 22:50
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Re: Imhotep 390 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 00:20
Papyri Wadi el-Jarf 297 Corpuscles 12-Mar-17 19:58
Re: Papyri Wadi el-Jarf 393 cladking 12-Mar-17 20:06
Re: Papyri Wadi el-Jarf 337 Corpuscles 12-Mar-17 21:07
Re: Papyri Wadi el-Jarf 239 cladking 12-Mar-17 22:32
Re: Papyri Wadi el-Jarf 274 Warwick 13-Mar-17 15:38
...In a Million Years. 399 cladking 13-Mar-17 17:36
Re: ...In a Million Years. 235 Warwick 13-Mar-17 17:57
Re: ...In a Million Years. 453 cladking 13-Mar-17 18:33
I will give you one last chance 275 Warwick 13-Mar-17 19:34
Re: I will give you one last chance 346 cladking 13-Mar-17 20:34
Re: ...In a Million Years. 282 Origyptian 13-Mar-17 20:10