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Martin Stower Wrote:
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> This being premised on the standard fringe lie
> that we have every word that they said.
Have no idea why you see everything as a lie. Have never heard an alt say that everything they wrote has been found. But it is strongly implied by the mainstream that what has been found is enough to paint an absolute picture of the entire culture. You're definition of lies and truth are very strange.
> And of course such evidence as the Debehen
> inscription and the Merer journal (never mind the
> mason’s markings and ˤprw names) are
> filtered out by evasions which a tiny child would
> see for the lies they are.
We've talked of Debehen and Merer, obviously you agree with the conventional which is par since you believe all that they say and ignore what the alts say. So further conversation with you about these two subjects is a waste of time.
> While NO EVIDENCE
> WHATSOEVER of your supposed “other”
> builders so much as existing fazes you not one
> bit.
>
> > The great pyramids - the greatest achievement
> on
> > the planet at the time and for 4,000 yrs after.
> > Where is the architect's great tomb? Where is
> the
> > engineer's great tomb? Queens and family of the
> > king get small pyramids and what did they get?
> A
> > butler gets a tomb in a pyramid cemetery and
> they
> > get what? Where are the great tomb walls carved
> > with their crowning unmatched achievements? The
> > means of how they achieved the amazing were not
> > worth mentioning? Not worth a small pyramid or
> > even a dedication plaque? Did they draw
> blueprints
> > with finger in sand, only to be blown away?
> Were
> > their extensive math calculations not worth a
> > stela for preservation? Did they even carve
> their
> > lousy initials anywhere in or on a pyramid?
>
> Which merely assumes that our ways of doing things
> needs must be their ways of doing things. So much
> for imagination. So much for “alternative”
> thinking. The thought of the fringe turns out
> yet again to be pedestrian and banal.
Really.
Their needs to aggrandize a queen and family members is not according to modern Caucasian religious/personal beliefs?
> Try to take in this one simple fact:
> autobiographical inscriptions were atypical of the
> time. What we get (in high status tombs) is a
> recitation of the individual’s titles. That’s
> it.
Then where are the titles of engineer and architect?
Where is even one tile of essentially 'I did this'? From their tombs it appears they were great braggarts, yet no one boasted of designing or engineering the greatest accomplishment on the planet?
> And you do?
>
> What it takes for a start is agricultural surplus
> and organisation of labour. Old Kingdom Egypt had
> these. Your “lost civilisation” has nothing.
> It has no existence.
Not true or otherwise every organized agricultural society would have been able to build equivalents. A society must be organized to be agrarian. Therefore, it required much more to build great pyramids. This is where your lack of construction experience forces you into the simple harvesters niche. And what does a surplus of food have to do with the ability to build great pyramids? With their bellies full they were able to do advanced math calculations? Was England starving as a whole the reason why skyscrapers were not built until the industrial age? By George Watson, I think you've got it. A full belly and a pint are all that was needed to build the monuments. But gees, the industrial nations were mighty slow at digesting.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01-Mar-17 17:08 by Audrey.
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> This being premised on the standard fringe lie
> that we have every word that they said.
Have no idea why you see everything as a lie. Have never heard an alt say that everything they wrote has been found. But it is strongly implied by the mainstream that what has been found is enough to paint an absolute picture of the entire culture. You're definition of lies and truth are very strange.
> And of course such evidence as the Debehen
> inscription and the Merer journal (never mind the
> mason’s markings and ˤprw names) are
> filtered out by evasions which a tiny child would
> see for the lies they are.
We've talked of Debehen and Merer, obviously you agree with the conventional which is par since you believe all that they say and ignore what the alts say. So further conversation with you about these two subjects is a waste of time.
> While NO EVIDENCE
> WHATSOEVER of your supposed “other”
> builders so much as existing fazes you not one
> bit.
>
> > The great pyramids - the greatest achievement
> on
> > the planet at the time and for 4,000 yrs after.
> > Where is the architect's great tomb? Where is
> the
> > engineer's great tomb? Queens and family of the
> > king get small pyramids and what did they get?
> A
> > butler gets a tomb in a pyramid cemetery and
> they
> > get what? Where are the great tomb walls carved
> > with their crowning unmatched achievements? The
> > means of how they achieved the amazing were not
> > worth mentioning? Not worth a small pyramid or
> > even a dedication plaque? Did they draw
> blueprints
> > with finger in sand, only to be blown away?
> Were
> > their extensive math calculations not worth a
> > stela for preservation? Did they even carve
> their
> > lousy initials anywhere in or on a pyramid?
>
> Which merely assumes that our ways of doing things
> needs must be their ways of doing things. So much
> for imagination. So much for “alternative”
> thinking. The thought of the fringe turns out
> yet again to be pedestrian and banal.
Really.
Their needs to aggrandize a queen and family members is not according to modern Caucasian religious/personal beliefs?
> Try to take in this one simple fact:
> autobiographical inscriptions were atypical of the
> time. What we get (in high status tombs) is a
> recitation of the individual’s titles. That’s
> it.
Then where are the titles of engineer and architect?
Where is even one tile of essentially 'I did this'? From their tombs it appears they were great braggarts, yet no one boasted of designing or engineering the greatest accomplishment on the planet?
> And you do?
>
> What it takes for a start is agricultural surplus
> and organisation of labour. Old Kingdom Egypt had
> these. Your “lost civilisation” has nothing.
> It has no existence.
Not true or otherwise every organized agricultural society would have been able to build equivalents. A society must be organized to be agrarian. Therefore, it required much more to build great pyramids. This is where your lack of construction experience forces you into the simple harvesters niche. And what does a surplus of food have to do with the ability to build great pyramids? With their bellies full they were able to do advanced math calculations? Was England starving as a whole the reason why skyscrapers were not built until the industrial age? By George Watson, I think you've got it. A full belly and a pint are all that was needed to build the monuments. But gees, the industrial nations were mighty slow at digesting.
He who knows all the answers has not been asked all the questions - Confucius
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01-Mar-17 17:08 by Audrey.