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Audrey Wrote:
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> Martin Stower Wrote to Ori:
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> > The Netjerikhet/Djoser case is one example among
> > several of a cartouche name being assigned in
> > later times to a king who in his lifetime (in
> > inscriptions) was known only by his Horus
> > name.
>
> Conjecture, assumption, wishful thinking.
Whose? I see yours.
> That's a complicated fanciful tale they had to
> weave to explain away a problem and have the
> gibberish make some sort of sense.
No, it’s the simple fact of the matter. This is how the name “Djoser” came to be attributed to the Horus Netjerikhet.
> > The case of Khufu is emphatically unlike
> > this: there is ample attestation of two or more of
> > his several names appearing together in
> > inscriptions (as names of one king, not several).
> >
> > That you should even venture such an inanity shows
> > how abysmally and culpably ignorant you remain of
> > the topic on which you have the overwheening
> > presumption to try and (mis)lead others.
>
> That you would believe everything they say without
> question baffles me. That you have memorized,
> bought, swallowed hook line and sinker all they
> say is... well... unfathomable.
Right. What you’ve made up (which is not what I said) baffles you. Got that.
> > Some goes for your pretentious writing of
> > “Khnum-Khfu”. Why don’t we see you writing
> > H̱nmw-Ḫfw—or, for that matter,
> > Ḫwj=f-wj-H̱nmw (a possible reading some
> > now favour)? As ever, this is not what you
> > pretend it is, but your pretending to “know
> > better” without knowing what a serious beginner
> > would know.
>
> You mean a serious beginner in brainwashing,
> guessing, Manetho, antiquarian fairy tales, lack
> of evidence, engineering ignorant pottery
> students? Who believe all answers lay in the
> graffiti carved and written by the homesteaders
> who were so awed by the monuments they found they
> had to stake them as their own.
You’ve forgotten the question mark of your second compound rhetorical question. Never mind, I’ll answer both (and all) anyway. No, Audrey, I do not mean all or any of these things. You need to learn to read. You’ll find that it helps you, on a discussion board.
> Yet had not one word to say about their construction.
This being premised on the standard fringe lie that we have every word that they said.
And of course such evidence as the Debehen inscription and the Merer journal (never mind the mason’s markings and ˤprw names) are filtered out by evasions which a tiny child would see for the lies they are.
While NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER of your supposed “other” builders so much as existing fazes you not one bit.
> The great pyramids - the greatest achievement on
> the planet at the time and for 4,000 yrs after.
> Where is the architect's great tomb? Where is the
> engineer's great tomb? Queens and family of the
> king get small pyramids and what did they get? A
> butler gets a tomb in a pyramid cemetery and they
> get what? Where are the great tomb walls carved
> with their crowning unmatched achievements? The
> means of how they achieved the amazing were not
> worth mentioning? Not worth a small pyramid or
> even a dedication plaque? Did they draw blueprints
> with finger in sand, only to be blown away? Were
> their extensive math calculations not worth a
> stela for preservation? Did they even carve their
> lousy initials anywhere in or on a pyramid?
Which merely assumes that our ways of doing things needs must be their ways of doing things. So much for imagination. So much for “alternative” thinking. The thought of the fringe turns out yet again to be pedestrian and banal.
Try to take in this one simple fact: autobiographical inscriptions were atypical of the time. What we get (in high status tombs) is a recitation of the individual’s titles. That’s it.
And again the silly presumption that we have their every word and document—and again an attribution to supposed “other” builders is swallowed whole, despite there being NO EVIDENCE AT ALL of their so much as existing.
> Yet you guys think all is told in papyri, stone
> fragments and pottery pieces. Maybe because you
> have no idea what it takes to get a pyramid
> project started, let alone built.
And you do?
What it takes for a start is agricultural surplus and organisation of labour. Old Kingdom Egypt had these. Your “lost civilisation” has nothing. It has no existence.
M.
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> Martin Stower Wrote to Ori:
> -------------------------------------------------------
> > The Netjerikhet/Djoser case is one example among
> > several of a cartouche name being assigned in
> > later times to a king who in his lifetime (in
> > inscriptions) was known only by his Horus
> > name.
>
> Conjecture, assumption, wishful thinking.
Whose? I see yours.
> That's a complicated fanciful tale they had to
> weave to explain away a problem and have the
> gibberish make some sort of sense.
No, it’s the simple fact of the matter. This is how the name “Djoser” came to be attributed to the Horus Netjerikhet.
> > The case of Khufu is emphatically unlike
> > this: there is ample attestation of two or more of
> > his several names appearing together in
> > inscriptions (as names of one king, not several).
> >
> > That you should even venture such an inanity shows
> > how abysmally and culpably ignorant you remain of
> > the topic on which you have the overwheening
> > presumption to try and (mis)lead others.
>
> That you would believe everything they say without
> question baffles me. That you have memorized,
> bought, swallowed hook line and sinker all they
> say is... well... unfathomable.
Right. What you’ve made up (which is not what I said) baffles you. Got that.
> > Some goes for your pretentious writing of
> > “Khnum-Khfu”. Why don’t we see you writing
> > H̱nmw-Ḫfw—or, for that matter,
> > Ḫwj=f-wj-H̱nmw (a possible reading some
> > now favour)? As ever, this is not what you
> > pretend it is, but your pretending to “know
> > better” without knowing what a serious beginner
> > would know.
>
> You mean a serious beginner in brainwashing,
> guessing, Manetho, antiquarian fairy tales, lack
> of evidence, engineering ignorant pottery
> students? Who believe all answers lay in the
> graffiti carved and written by the homesteaders
> who were so awed by the monuments they found they
> had to stake them as their own.
You’ve forgotten the question mark of your second compound rhetorical question. Never mind, I’ll answer both (and all) anyway. No, Audrey, I do not mean all or any of these things. You need to learn to read. You’ll find that it helps you, on a discussion board.
> Yet had not one word to say about their construction.
This being premised on the standard fringe lie that we have every word that they said.
And of course such evidence as the Debehen inscription and the Merer journal (never mind the mason’s markings and ˤprw names) are filtered out by evasions which a tiny child would see for the lies they are.
While NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER of your supposed “other” builders so much as existing fazes you not one bit.
> The great pyramids - the greatest achievement on
> the planet at the time and for 4,000 yrs after.
> Where is the architect's great tomb? Where is the
> engineer's great tomb? Queens and family of the
> king get small pyramids and what did they get? A
> butler gets a tomb in a pyramid cemetery and they
> get what? Where are the great tomb walls carved
> with their crowning unmatched achievements? The
> means of how they achieved the amazing were not
> worth mentioning? Not worth a small pyramid or
> even a dedication plaque? Did they draw blueprints
> with finger in sand, only to be blown away? Were
> their extensive math calculations not worth a
> stela for preservation? Did they even carve their
> lousy initials anywhere in or on a pyramid?
Which merely assumes that our ways of doing things needs must be their ways of doing things. So much for imagination. So much for “alternative” thinking. The thought of the fringe turns out yet again to be pedestrian and banal.
Try to take in this one simple fact: autobiographical inscriptions were atypical of the time. What we get (in high status tombs) is a recitation of the individual’s titles. That’s it.
And again the silly presumption that we have their every word and document—and again an attribution to supposed “other” builders is swallowed whole, despite there being NO EVIDENCE AT ALL of their so much as existing.
> Yet you guys think all is told in papyri, stone
> fragments and pottery pieces. Maybe because you
> have no idea what it takes to get a pyramid
> project started, let alone built.
And you do?
What it takes for a start is agricultural surplus and organisation of labour. Old Kingdom Egypt had these. Your “lost civilisation” has nothing. It has no existence.
M.
