Origyptian Wrote:
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> As one recent example, we've been cited Utt 480
> which includes so many words with symbolic
> implications, how does one begin to get a handle
> on what's really trying to be "communicated"
> here?:
>
>

> ascends
> climbs
> come
> enduring Bull
> erect
> grasps
> hand (of the King)
> head
> imperishable
> King's father Atum
> King is established at your head
> ladder
> lift up
> raise
> said
> spoken
> thighs of Isis
> thighs of Nepthys
> Wild Bull
> yonder gods
>

There was no "symbolism" in the ancient language. This is a modern concept.

Words were representative rather than symbolic.

Read the words again and then read the line that gives away the meaning; (480) 996a "Those who have lifted themselves up like shu are come". Everything is literal and even shu lifted himself because shu would best be translated as "the natural phenomenon of upward" in English. Nothing can really be translated into English because it's a different kind of language but the scientific definition of "shu" is "momentum". Only things with momentum move upward because "tefnut" the "natural phenomenon of downward" always acts on them. Together they created the earth and the sky (geb & nut).

This language isn't anything like our language so people are missing the point. It's easy to understand once you accept it's formatted differently and you must fill the gaps in your scientific knowledge. People misunderstand science and its results so they can't see scientific theory through the lens of a different kind of science. All science is "correct" but any science can be misinterpreted.

Utterance #480 is just another ritual read at the ascension ceremony for the king. There is no religion, no magic, and no stinky footed nonsense of any type. What we call "symbols" were just real world representations of thoughts and objects so they could be used elsewhere. Grammar was representative of thought and reality, words were representative of objects and ideas, and hieroglyphs and icons represented words. the ankh was spraying water that represented life because in a desert water was life whether that water flowed in the Nile or violently tossed on the uplands and was used to operate funiculars.

I can interpret this utterance for people but it can't be translated. The ancient language is untranslatable.

Just remember the words are representative and you've taken the first step to understand the ancient language.