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H Brian.

> Agreed. But after a
> cataclysmic event, it might
> be seen by the natives as a gift from "The Gods."

Very possible. The 8 "founder" grain crops seem to appear simultaneously in the Levant in the 10th millennium.

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It was not until after 9500 bc that the eight so-called founder crops of agriculture appear: first emmer and einkorn wheat, then hulled barley, peas, lentils, bitter vetch, chick peas and flax. These eight crops occur more or less simultaneously on Pre-Pottery Neolithic B (PPNB) sites in the Levant, although the consensus is that wheat was the first to be grown and harvested on a significant scale.

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On Cyprus the oldest agricultural settlement ever found on a Mediterranean island has been discovered in Klimonas. Between 9100 and 8600 bc organized communities were farming and built half-buried mud brick communal buildings 10 meters in diameter surrounded by dwellings that were likely also used to store the village's harvests. Remains of carbonized seeds of local plants and grains introduced from the Levantine coasts (including emmer, one of the first Middle Eastern wheats) have also been found at Klimonas.

Myself:
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Traces are starting to be found, like at Ohallo II in the Levant. Just like agriculture could not have sprung up overnight in the Levant, neither could the stone work of Gobekli Tepe which is but one of several sites from this "civilization" suggesting an even earlier origin. Interesting that Gobekli Tepe appears in around 9500BC, most sophisticated from its beginnings, and at the same time the so-called "founder crops" show up in the nearby Levant.
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Agriculture is the foundation of civilization so the "seed bag" may be an iconographic representation of this knowledge of power. If what we are seeing are seed bags then obviously the Gobekli Tepe were farmers not hunters and gatherers. Which makes perfect sense to me as I fail to see how such a vast culture could have sustained itself without it. "Hunting and gathering" isn't enough.

> You may be correct, but by
> that time much more was understood.

But it was venerated in Mesopotamia and elsewhere at the same time until the end of Dynastic Egypt. The AE apparently had a much different ideological view of it.

> I have often wondered what
> caused such a paradigm shift from
> Hunter-Gathering to Agriculture/Animal Husbandry.
> It may well be that after a world wide
> catastrophe, the
> remnants of a previously great civilization may
> have presented to
> those who survived elsewhere a greater way to
> provide for family and society.

I think it is a perceived shift based on an incomplete archaeological record.

> Here is another link, from
> the same author, Cliff Richey,
> who offers a way to read ancient iconography.
>
> [www.academia.edu]
>
> All the best, my friend,
> and keep up the great posts.

Thanks a lot Brian. Same to you.

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Re: Ancient 'hand bags' or what? 1074 Harte 03-Jan-17 23:29
Re: Ancient 'hand bags' measures of weight 852 molder 04-Jan-17 07:02
Re: Ancient 'hand bags' or what? 816 ldennyjr 04-Jan-17 17:56
Re: Ancient 'hand bags' or what? 798 dmatherly 04-Jan-17 18:25
Re: Ancient 'hand bags' or what? 685 ldennyjr 04-Jan-17 19:47
Re: Ancient 'hand bags' or what? 805 eyeofhorus33 04-Jan-17 20:45
Bag? More like a fish! 689 greengirl5 05-Jan-17 01:53
Olmec Monument 19-La Venta 5291 dmatherly 04-Jan-17 18:22
Re: Olmec Monument 19-La Venta 710 molder 05-Jan-17 10:41
Re: Olmec Monument 19-La Venta 685 Huub 05-Jan-17 14:08
Re: Ancient 'hand bags' or what? 666 dmatherly 04-Jan-17 18:28
Weight (and wristwatch lol) 805 eyeofhorus33 04-Jan-17 18:48
Re: Weight (and wristwatch lol) 747 dmatherly 04-Jan-17 19:53
Re: Weight (and wristwatch lol) 603 randompHactor 04-Jan-17 19:55
Re: Weight (and wristwatch lol) 508 dmatherly 04-Jan-17 20:06
Re: Weight (and wristwatch lol) 1316 dmatherly 04-Jan-17 20:20
Re: Weight (and wristwatch lol) 610 eyeofhorus33 04-Jan-17 20:33
Re: Weight (and wristwatch lol) 513 dmatherly 04-Jan-17 21:43
Re: Weight (and wristwatch lol) 544 eyeofhorus33 05-Jan-17 17:38
Re: Weight (and wristwatch lol) 554 dmatherly 05-Jan-17 17:51
Eleven petals on wristwatch 640 greengirl5 05-Jan-17 01:48
Re: Weight (and wristwatch lol) 629 greengirl5 04-Jan-17 20:57
Ancient symbolism of the pine cone (pineal gland) 2198 dmatherly 04-Jan-17 20:03
Re: Ancient symbolism of the pine cone (pineal gland) 694 Eddie Larry 04-Jan-17 22:53
Re: Ancient symbolism of the pine cone (pineal gland) 626 dmatherly 05-Jan-17 02:21
Wonderful! 642 greengirl5 05-Jan-17 02:15
Re: Wonderful! 550 ldennyjr 05-Jan-17 15:09
Mystery solved so early in the year! 704 greengirl5 04-Jan-17 21:43
Re: Mystery solved so early in the year! 735 dmatherly 04-Jan-17 21:48
Re: Mystery solved so early in the year! 575 greengirl5 05-Jan-17 01:35
Re: Mystery solved so early in the year! 583 greengirl5 05-Jan-17 01:45
Re: Mystery solved so early in the year! 541 greengirl5 05-Jan-17 02:06
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Re: It is getting VERY interesting 608 dmatherly 05-Jan-17 17:10
Re: It is getting VERY interesting 578 Brian Patterson 05-Jan-17 17:35
Re: It is getting VERY interesting 585 dmatherly 05-Jan-17 18:37
Re: It is getting VERY interesting 565 Brian Patterson 05-Jan-17 18:42
Re: It is getting VERY interesting 587 greengirl5 05-Jan-17 23:13
Re: It is getting VERY interesting 572 dmatherly 05-Jan-17 21:01
Re: It is getting VERY interesting 518 greengirl5 05-Jan-17 23:21
Re: Ancient 'hand bags' or what? 1077 Thanos5150 05-Jan-17 23:01
Re: Ancient 'hand bags' or what? 567 Brian Patterson 05-Jan-17 23:19
Re: Ancient 'hand bags' or what? 473 greengirl5 05-Jan-17 23:28
Re: Ancient 'hand bags' or what? 571 Brian Patterson 05-Jan-17 23:44
Re: Ancient 'hand bags' or what? 622 Thanos5150 05-Jan-17 23:50
Re: Ancient 'hand bags' or what? 628 Brian Patterson 06-Jan-17 00:13
Re: Ancient 'hand bags' or what? 647 Thanos5150 06-Jan-17 01:39
Re: Ancient 'hand bags' or what? 578 dmatherly 06-Jan-17 02:46
Re: Ancient 'hand bags' or what? 686 dmatherly 06-Jan-17 02:40
Re: Ancient 'hand bags' or what? 557 dmatherly 06-Jan-17 02:33
Re: Ancient 'hand bags' or what? 661 dmatherly 06-Jan-17 04:03
Re: Ancient 'hand bags' or what? 755 Thanos5150 06-Jan-17 05:47
Re: Ancient 'hand bags' or what? 567 molder 06-Jan-17 10:36
Re: Ancient 'hand bags' or what? 555 dmatherly 06-Jan-17 14:33
Re: Ancient 'hand bags' or what? 551 Thanos5150 06-Jan-17 18:03
Re: Ancient 'hand bags' or what? 519 Harte 12-Jan-17 01:28
Re: Ancient 'hand bags' or what? 578 dmatherly 12-Jan-17 03:42
Re: Ancient 'hand bags' or what? 527 Step Sideways 18-Jan-17 05:19
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