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Origyptian Wrote:
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> > > > > cladking Wrote:
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> > > > > > Origyptian Wrote:
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> > > > > > > And the evidence that
> > > > > > > all those ancient structures are
> merely
> > > the
> > > > > bones
> > > > > > > that remain after millennium of
> picking
> > > > them
> > > > > clean
> > > > > > > by locals and bounty hunters makes
> > > reverse
> > > > > > > engineering exceptionally problematic.
>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is the problem with Egyptology.
> > > Rather
> > > > > than
> > > > > > factoring in the facts that there is so
> > > very
> > > > > > little evidence and all the so called
> > > > cultural
> > > > > > evidence is from tombs they just want
> to
> > > say
> > > > > these
> > > > > > must also be tombs and mustta been
> built
> > by
> > > > > ramps.
> > > > > > Rather than studying these bones to
> > gather
> > > > the
> > > > > > data to determine how they were built
> > they
> > > > > study
> > > > > > the bones of the builders instead.
> > > > >
> > > > > In my opinion, they're not really
> studying
> > > the
> > > > > "builders" at all, but rather are
> studying
> > > who
> > > > > they think are the builders
> > but
> > > > who
> > > > > really are an adaption culture who
> stumbled
> > > > upon
> > > > > an already ancient infrastructure.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > > The pieces will start falling in place
> as
> > > > soon
> > > > > as
> > > > > > people demand scientific testing and
> the
> > > > > results
> > > > > > of the little testing already done.
> > These
> > > > > things
> > > > > > did not require rocket science to build
> > and
> > > > > they
> > > > > > don't require rocket science to
> properly
> > > > > reverse
> > > > > > engineer.
> > > > >
> > > > > Before the internet, the discipline was
> > > > > comfortable behind closed doors and was
> > held
> > > by
> > > > a
> > > > > small number of academicians who focused
> on
> > > > > preserving the self-consistent paradigm.
> > > > > Contradictions in the model were largely
> > > > ignored
> > > > > as outliers -- why dwell on one 1,600 ton
> > > block
> > > > of
> > > > > stone when there were millions of smaller
> > > > blocks
> > > > > that could far more easily be accounted
> > for?
> > > > Don't
> > > > > worry about how they transported all
> those
> > > > > megaliths despite the lack of any
> evidence
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > required technology; the fact is those
> > things
> > > > are
> > > > > there and must have gotten there
> > > > "somehow".
> > > > > Forget about the unfathomable precision;
> > the
> > > > > builders had an unlimited amount of time
> to
> > > > work
> > > > > each stone with toothpics and sand until
> it
> > > fit
> > > > > just right. On and on it went, with
> experts
> > > in
> > > > the
> > > > > humanities and little input from the
> > > > quantitative
> > > > > sciences. After all, what relevance does
> an
> > > > > ancient civilization have to modern
> > chemists,
> > > > > physicists, and engineers? Egyptology
> > enjoyed
> > > > > being on the sideline for centuries, off
> > the
> > > > radar
> > > > > of the hard sciences, until now.
> > > > >
> > > > > But the internet is changing all that,
> with
> > > its
> > > > > ability to make information available to
> > > > virtually
> > > > > everyone, no longer requiring any rite of
> > > > passage
> > > > > to gain access, and the discipline is
> > > > > well-positioned to experience a huge
> > > > > transformation in the coming years. We've
> > > only
> > > > > just touched the surface.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ori,
> > > >
> > > > Who are the builders?
> > >
> > > Hold on. I'm not the one who said I knew who
> > the
> > > builders were. I'm the one challenging those
> > those
> > > who insist the builders lived during around
> the
> > > 3rd millennium BC. If you also don't claim to
> > know
> > > who they were, then we're on relatively equal
> > > footing on this issue. But if you think you
> DO
> > > know, then I'm all ears...
> >
> >
> > So, you have no theory that you're
> investigating,
> > then?
>
>
> So that's how it is for you? It's as if you
> believe that if someone doesn't already have the
> answer, that means they're not even trying to look
> for it.
>
> You're obviously not even trying to make any sense
> but, rather, are just meandering through various
> deflection routes. Stop being so pedantic and try
> addressing the main issues being discussed here.
> Otherwise, feel free to ignore our comments.
Hang on, I'm not deflecting from something else by asking my question above.
That is my question, and thus my topic and curiosity, so I'll repeat it:
Do you have a theory regarding who built the GPs that you've investigating?
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> OCaptain Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Origyptian Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > OCaptain Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Origyptian Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > cladking Wrote:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----
> > > > > > Origyptian Wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > And the evidence that
> > > > > > > all those ancient structures are
> merely
> > > the
> > > > > bones
> > > > > > > that remain after millennium of
> picking
> > > > them
> > > > > clean
> > > > > > > by locals and bounty hunters makes
> > > reverse
> > > > > > > engineering exceptionally problematic.
>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is the problem with Egyptology.
> > > Rather
> > > > > than
> > > > > > factoring in the facts that there is so
> > > very
> > > > > > little evidence and all the so called
> > > > cultural
> > > > > > evidence is from tombs they just want
> to
> > > say
> > > > > these
> > > > > > must also be tombs and mustta been
> built
> > by
> > > > > ramps.
> > > > > > Rather than studying these bones to
> > gather
> > > > the
> > > > > > data to determine how they were built
> > they
> > > > > study
> > > > > > the bones of the builders instead.
> > > > >
> > > > > In my opinion, they're not really
> studying
> > > the
> > > > > "builders" at all, but rather are
> studying
> > > who
> > > > > they think are the builders
> > but
> > > > who
> > > > > really are an adaption culture who
> stumbled
> > > > upon
> > > > > an already ancient infrastructure.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > > The pieces will start falling in place
> as
> > > > soon
> > > > > as
> > > > > > people demand scientific testing and
> the
> > > > > results
> > > > > > of the little testing already done.
> > These
> > > > > things
> > > > > > did not require rocket science to build
> > and
> > > > > they
> > > > > > don't require rocket science to
> properly
> > > > > reverse
> > > > > > engineer.
> > > > >
> > > > > Before the internet, the discipline was
> > > > > comfortable behind closed doors and was
> > held
> > > by
> > > > a
> > > > > small number of academicians who focused
> on
> > > > > preserving the self-consistent paradigm.
> > > > > Contradictions in the model were largely
> > > > ignored
> > > > > as outliers -- why dwell on one 1,600 ton
> > > block
> > > > of
> > > > > stone when there were millions of smaller
> > > > blocks
> > > > > that could far more easily be accounted
> > for?
> > > > Don't
> > > > > worry about how they transported all
> those
> > > > > megaliths despite the lack of any
> evidence
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > required technology; the fact is those
> > things
> > > > are
> > > > > there and must have gotten there
> > > > "somehow".
> > > > > Forget about the unfathomable precision;
> > the
> > > > > builders had an unlimited amount of time
> to
> > > > work
> > > > > each stone with toothpics and sand until
> it
> > > fit
> > > > > just right. On and on it went, with
> experts
> > > in
> > > > the
> > > > > humanities and little input from the
> > > > quantitative
> > > > > sciences. After all, what relevance does
> an
> > > > > ancient civilization have to modern
> > chemists,
> > > > > physicists, and engineers? Egyptology
> > enjoyed
> > > > > being on the sideline for centuries, off
> > the
> > > > radar
> > > > > of the hard sciences, until now.
> > > > >
> > > > > But the internet is changing all that,
> with
> > > its
> > > > > ability to make information available to
> > > > virtually
> > > > > everyone, no longer requiring any rite of
> > > > passage
> > > > > to gain access, and the discipline is
> > > > > well-positioned to experience a huge
> > > > > transformation in the coming years. We've
> > > only
> > > > > just touched the surface.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ori,
> > > >
> > > > Who are the builders?
> > >
> > > Hold on. I'm not the one who said I knew who
> > the
> > > builders were. I'm the one challenging those
> > those
> > > who insist the builders lived during around
> the
> > > 3rd millennium BC. If you also don't claim to
> > know
> > > who they were, then we're on relatively equal
> > > footing on this issue. But if you think you
> DO
> > > know, then I'm all ears...
> >
> >
> > So, you have no theory that you're
> investigating,
> > then?
>
>
> So that's how it is for you? It's as if you
> believe that if someone doesn't already have the
> answer, that means they're not even trying to look
> for it.
>
> You're obviously not even trying to make any sense
> but, rather, are just meandering through various
> deflection routes. Stop being so pedantic and try
> addressing the main issues being discussed here.
> Otherwise, feel free to ignore our comments.
Hang on, I'm not deflecting from something else by asking my question above.
That is my question, and thus my topic and curiosity, so I'll repeat it:
Do you have a theory regarding who built the GPs that you've investigating?
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