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Origyptian Wrote:
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> OCaptain Wrote:
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> > Origyptian Wrote:
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> > > cladking Wrote:
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> > > > Origyptian Wrote:
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> > > >
> > > > > And the evidence that
> > > > > all those ancient structures are merely
> the
> > > bones
> > > > > that remain after millennium of picking
> > them
> > > clean
> > > > > by locals and bounty hunters makes
> reverse
> > > > > engineering exceptionally problematic.
> > > >
> > > > This is the problem with Egyptology.
> Rather
> > > than
> > > > factoring in the facts that there is so
> very
> > > > little evidence and all the so called
> > cultural
> > > > evidence is from tombs they just want to
> say
> > > these
> > > > must also be tombs and mustta been built by
> > > ramps.
> > > > Rather than studying these bones to gather
> > the
> > > > data to determine how they were built they
> > > study
> > > > the bones of the builders instead.
> > >
> > > In my opinion, they're not really studying
> the
> > > "builders" at all, but rather are studying
> who
> > > they think are the builders but
> > who
> > > really are an adaption culture who stumbled
> > upon
> > > an already ancient infrastructure.
> > >
> > >
> > > > ...
> > > > The pieces will start falling in place as
> > soon
> > > as
> > > > people demand scientific testing and the
> > > results
> > > > of the little testing already done. These
> > > things
> > > > did not require rocket science to build and
> > > they
> > > > don't require rocket science to properly
> > > reverse
> > > > engineer.
> > >
> > > Before the internet, the discipline was
> > > comfortable behind closed doors and was held
> by
> > a
> > > small number of academicians who focused on
> > > preserving the self-consistent paradigm.
> > > Contradictions in the model were largely
> > ignored
> > > as outliers -- why dwell on one 1,600 ton
> block
> > of
> > > stone when there were millions of smaller
> > blocks
> > > that could far more easily be accounted for?
> > Don't
> > > worry about how they transported all those
> > > megaliths despite the lack of any evidence of
> > the
> > > required technology; the fact is those things
> > are
> > > there and must have gotten there
> > "somehow".
> > > Forget about the unfathomable precision; the
> > > builders had an unlimited amount of time to
> > work
> > > each stone with toothpics and sand until it
> fit
> > > just right. On and on it went, with experts
> in
> > the
> > > humanities and little input from the
> > quantitative
> > > sciences. After all, what relevance does an
> > > ancient civilization have to modern chemists,
> > > physicists, and engineers? Egyptology enjoyed
> > > being on the sideline for centuries, off the
> > radar
> > > of the hard sciences, until now.
> > >
> > > But the internet is changing all that, with
> its
> > > ability to make information available to
> > virtually
> > > everyone, no longer requiring any rite of
> > passage
> > > to gain access, and the discipline is
> > > well-positioned to experience a huge
> > > transformation in the coming years. We've
> only
> > > just touched the surface.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ori,
> >
> > Who are the builders?
>
> Hold on. I'm not the one who said I knew who the
> builders were. I'm the one challenging those those
> who insist the builders lived during around the
> 3rd millennium BC. If you also don't claim to know
> who they were, then we're on relatively equal
> footing on this issue. But if you think you DO
> know, then I'm all ears...
So, you have no theory that you're investigating, then?
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> OCaptain Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Origyptian Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > cladking Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Origyptian Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > And the evidence that
> > > > > all those ancient structures are merely
> the
> > > bones
> > > > > that remain after millennium of picking
> > them
> > > clean
> > > > > by locals and bounty hunters makes
> reverse
> > > > > engineering exceptionally problematic.
> > > >
> > > > This is the problem with Egyptology.
> Rather
> > > than
> > > > factoring in the facts that there is so
> very
> > > > little evidence and all the so called
> > cultural
> > > > evidence is from tombs they just want to
> say
> > > these
> > > > must also be tombs and mustta been built by
> > > ramps.
> > > > Rather than studying these bones to gather
> > the
> > > > data to determine how they were built they
> > > study
> > > > the bones of the builders instead.
> > >
> > > In my opinion, they're not really studying
> the
> > > "builders" at all, but rather are studying
> who
> > > they think are the builders but
> > who
> > > really are an adaption culture who stumbled
> > upon
> > > an already ancient infrastructure.
> > >
> > >
> > > > ...
> > > > The pieces will start falling in place as
> > soon
> > > as
> > > > people demand scientific testing and the
> > > results
> > > > of the little testing already done. These
> > > things
> > > > did not require rocket science to build and
> > > they
> > > > don't require rocket science to properly
> > > reverse
> > > > engineer.
> > >
> > > Before the internet, the discipline was
> > > comfortable behind closed doors and was held
> by
> > a
> > > small number of academicians who focused on
> > > preserving the self-consistent paradigm.
> > > Contradictions in the model were largely
> > ignored
> > > as outliers -- why dwell on one 1,600 ton
> block
> > of
> > > stone when there were millions of smaller
> > blocks
> > > that could far more easily be accounted for?
> > Don't
> > > worry about how they transported all those
> > > megaliths despite the lack of any evidence of
> > the
> > > required technology; the fact is those things
> > are
> > > there and must have gotten there
> > "somehow".
> > > Forget about the unfathomable precision; the
> > > builders had an unlimited amount of time to
> > work
> > > each stone with toothpics and sand until it
> fit
> > > just right. On and on it went, with experts
> in
> > the
> > > humanities and little input from the
> > quantitative
> > > sciences. After all, what relevance does an
> > > ancient civilization have to modern chemists,
> > > physicists, and engineers? Egyptology enjoyed
> > > being on the sideline for centuries, off the
> > radar
> > > of the hard sciences, until now.
> > >
> > > But the internet is changing all that, with
> its
> > > ability to make information available to
> > virtually
> > > everyone, no longer requiring any rite of
> > passage
> > > to gain access, and the discipline is
> > > well-positioned to experience a huge
> > > transformation in the coming years. We've
> only
> > > just touched the surface.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ori,
> >
> > Who are the builders?
>
> Hold on. I'm not the one who said I knew who the
> builders were. I'm the one challenging those those
> who insist the builders lived during around the
> 3rd millennium BC. If you also don't claim to know
> who they were, then we're on relatively equal
> footing on this issue. But if you think you DO
> know, then I'm all ears...
So, you have no theory that you're investigating, then?
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