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Author: Audrey wrote:
Date: January 07, 2017 06:01PM
Steve Clayton Wrote:
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> I see you haven't changed any. Just as nasty as ever.
> Do you understand what being civil is?
Didn't you just spend the last two weeks insulting ck.
Now don't be whining when someone is blunt with you.
Don't take it personal. This website we're on is an alternative to mainstream doctrine, the alts come here because they share some viewpoint with Hancock. If not, we would go to HOM to discuss the conventional views.
> >making your viewpoint "just conjecture".
> Very true. All my illustrations are just
> conjecture. How could they not be? They are
> constantly evolving, and only meant to be thought
> provoking. An attempt to show and explain a better
> way to build the Pyramids. It is defiantly "just
> conjecture".
That was my point. Now what makes your conjectures superior to anyone else? What makes yours so superior that would cause you to call others crazy?
> I would call chisels, ropes, boats and sleds
> remnants, to name a few. And, they are all in my
> illustrations.
Chisels and ropes are basic tools, they are not proof of how the pyramid was built. I don't believe there is a sled found that they date to the 4th dyn, and the sleds found are very small. Hardly enough to haul tons of stone.
The boats that they claim belong to the 4th dyn do not look like they would have been up to the task of floating 50 ton stones.
Your premise seems to be that the pyramid builders had primitive tools that they put together to form primitive (another word for 'simple') machines. This whole belief of primitive stems from the antiquarians in the 17 and 1800's. It has become doctrine preached by the authorities (Egyptologists). We are an authoritarian society. We are taught to pay homage to authority figures, warranted or not. We are taught to assume if one is an 'authority', they are so, based on solid intelligent study of facts. Most sheeple don't bother to examine the so-called facts, they just accept.
The alts are looking for solid evidence.
That the Khufu boats are attributed to the builder of G1 is based solely on one cartouche, the one found in Campbell's Chamber. This cartouche is based solely on Wilkinson in the early 1800's. Since it's find in the chamber, all of these cartouches and any one similar, is automatically connected to Khufu in the 4th dyn.
That's all they have. One cartouche. Without it they would still be stuttering about the name of the builder of G1 and to which dynasty he belonged. Everything hinging on that cartouche, and that would be everything 4th dyn, is up for debate.
Basic simple tools found such as chisels and ropes do not in and of themselves prove the pyramid builders had a primitive technology. Or that those were the only means of construction.
> >who knows didley squat about the astronomical and
> geological history of Earth.
>
> >Get with the times Steve, this is the 21st cent
> after all and new evidence has come to light.
>
> You just think you know. Yes Audrey, you are the
> all seeing eye... To show you just how crazy your
> beliefs are, back up this statement and tell us
> all,
>
> Just what new evidence has come to light. I
> certainly want to "Get with the times and into
> 21st cent ".
>
> What new evidence, and "cosmic forces"?
Cosmic - as in the Cosmos - as in forces coming from outside of Earth, extraterrestrial, alien, the sun, asteroids, etc. Forces so devastating mankind was almost annihilated. The 5 great extinctions. Is it not possible such forces, if you realize the strength, would also obliterate houses, tools, steel, bones, etc.?
I recommend "The Cosmic Winter" and "The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes" and "Earth in Upheaval" as an introduction to the geologic scars and destructive powers of extraterrestrial forces.
I recommend we not isolate Egypt from the rest of the planet.
Hi Audrey,
>Didn't you just spend the last two weeks insulting ck.
Cladking and I have been, if you wish, insulting each others ideas for years. I dare say, he and I have had more posts with each other than anyone else. He has, and is capable of defending himself. WE were having a discussion, 11 back and forth posts, until you broke in.
>That was my point. Now what makes your conjectures superior to anyone else? What makes yours so superior that would cause you to call others crazy?
First of all, I have never claimed, it or I, was superior to anyone else. That is just you making an accusations. Because I have a different view than yours, you take on yourself, to inject yourself in our discussion, in an attempt to belittle me. You made the rude comment: >Just what we need, another mainstreamer who knows didley squat about the astronomical and geological history of Earth.
Who are you, to conclude I know didey squat about anything?
That is a pompous statement, and worthy of calling you crazy. I am only trying to keep some form of stability here on the forum. I am not alone, and I am entitled to my opinions. I don't recall any disclaimer, that I have to agree with you or your alts. You do not own and or speak for this forum.
Date: January 07, 2017 06:01PM
Steve Clayton Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I see you haven't changed any. Just as nasty as ever.
> Do you understand what being civil is?
Didn't you just spend the last two weeks insulting ck.
Now don't be whining when someone is blunt with you.
Don't take it personal. This website we're on is an alternative to mainstream doctrine, the alts come here because they share some viewpoint with Hancock. If not, we would go to HOM to discuss the conventional views.
> >making your viewpoint "just conjecture".
> Very true. All my illustrations are just
> conjecture. How could they not be? They are
> constantly evolving, and only meant to be thought
> provoking. An attempt to show and explain a better
> way to build the Pyramids. It is defiantly "just
> conjecture".
That was my point. Now what makes your conjectures superior to anyone else? What makes yours so superior that would cause you to call others crazy?
> I would call chisels, ropes, boats and sleds
> remnants, to name a few. And, they are all in my
> illustrations.
Chisels and ropes are basic tools, they are not proof of how the pyramid was built. I don't believe there is a sled found that they date to the 4th dyn, and the sleds found are very small. Hardly enough to haul tons of stone.
The boats that they claim belong to the 4th dyn do not look like they would have been up to the task of floating 50 ton stones.
Your premise seems to be that the pyramid builders had primitive tools that they put together to form primitive (another word for 'simple') machines. This whole belief of primitive stems from the antiquarians in the 17 and 1800's. It has become doctrine preached by the authorities (Egyptologists). We are an authoritarian society. We are taught to pay homage to authority figures, warranted or not. We are taught to assume if one is an 'authority', they are so, based on solid intelligent study of facts. Most sheeple don't bother to examine the so-called facts, they just accept.
The alts are looking for solid evidence.
That the Khufu boats are attributed to the builder of G1 is based solely on one cartouche, the one found in Campbell's Chamber. This cartouche is based solely on Wilkinson in the early 1800's. Since it's find in the chamber, all of these cartouches and any one similar, is automatically connected to Khufu in the 4th dyn.
That's all they have. One cartouche. Without it they would still be stuttering about the name of the builder of G1 and to which dynasty he belonged. Everything hinging on that cartouche, and that would be everything 4th dyn, is up for debate.
Basic simple tools found such as chisels and ropes do not in and of themselves prove the pyramid builders had a primitive technology. Or that those were the only means of construction.
> >who knows didley squat about the astronomical and
> geological history of Earth.
>
> >Get with the times Steve, this is the 21st cent
> after all and new evidence has come to light.
>
> You just think you know. Yes Audrey, you are the
> all seeing eye... To show you just how crazy your
> beliefs are, back up this statement and tell us
> all,
>
> Just what new evidence has come to light. I
> certainly want to "Get with the times and into
> 21st cent ".
>
> What new evidence, and "cosmic forces"?
Cosmic - as in the Cosmos - as in forces coming from outside of Earth, extraterrestrial, alien, the sun, asteroids, etc. Forces so devastating mankind was almost annihilated. The 5 great extinctions. Is it not possible such forces, if you realize the strength, would also obliterate houses, tools, steel, bones, etc.?
I recommend "The Cosmic Winter" and "The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes" and "Earth in Upheaval" as an introduction to the geologic scars and destructive powers of extraterrestrial forces.
I recommend we not isolate Egypt from the rest of the planet.
Hi Audrey,
>Didn't you just spend the last two weeks insulting ck.
Cladking and I have been, if you wish, insulting each others ideas for years. I dare say, he and I have had more posts with each other than anyone else. He has, and is capable of defending himself. WE were having a discussion, 11 back and forth posts, until you broke in.
>That was my point. Now what makes your conjectures superior to anyone else? What makes yours so superior that would cause you to call others crazy?
First of all, I have never claimed, it or I, was superior to anyone else. That is just you making an accusations. Because I have a different view than yours, you take on yourself, to inject yourself in our discussion, in an attempt to belittle me. You made the rude comment: >Just what we need, another mainstreamer who knows didley squat about the astronomical and geological history of Earth.
Who are you, to conclude I know didey squat about anything?
That is a pompous statement, and worthy of calling you crazy. I am only trying to keep some form of stability here on the forum. I am not alone, and I am entitled to my opinions. I don't recall any disclaimer, that I have to agree with you or your alts. You do not own and or speak for this forum.
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