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>...
> Firstly, I asked a somewhat similar type question
> of Thanos some long long 5yrs? ago.
>
> From very distant memory
> Q (Something naïve like) "Thanos5150... great
> work yada yada... I am wondering if there is a
> specific building in Mesopotamia that the style is
> based on?
> Answer: (Something like:) ....not one specific
> first building identified as still extant, but it
> singular may have existed. However there are
> rather many of them, both in ancient Mesopotamia
> and Egypt that conform to the general style.

"May have existed" and so no specific example of any building credibly dated before the first known use of the palace facade in a serekh. So how do you know which came first?


> Now for an analogy to see if this gets through?...

Why the need to resort to analogy if you believe that the physical evidence exists to support the primary assertion?


> Now pretend that for a thousand years instead of
> Lion etc that Buckingham palace façade was always
> on the CoA (analogy Palace façade)

How about, let's not "pretend" but instead point to actual physical evidence that supports the primary assertion? Do we know with certainty that the palace facade design on the serekh -- which in its earliest known form was far more abstract than more modern versions that clearly took on what appears to be more distinct architectural details -- was not created before the design appeared in the architecture?


> What do you reckon? Would they make the symbolic
> identifying crest Coat of Arms, out of a dreamt
> up, yet to be made imaginary building, or would
> the building in some form have been built or
> likely come first?
...

"Dreamt up" and "likely" are your characterizations, not mine. The earliest version of a serekh has abstract lines that look no more like a building than a picket fence today, and I see no evidence that royalty has (or had) a monopoly on fences.

In my opinion, there is plenty of evidence mounting to suggest that Manetho's timeline is becoming increasingly problematic, and so we don't really know when the language was originally developed or the true original provenance of much of that architecture. And so according to your "dreamt up" assertion, how can you be sure that a later culture didn't stumble upon a pre-existing ancient infrastructure of megalithic architecture and language, made it their own, assigned their own interpretation to everything they found there, including strange paintings and inscriptions (glyphs), and developed a culture with its own subsequent architectural styles around that belief system? And nothing excludes the possibility that this might have happened several times.


> What you are likely asking though is has one or
> the other extant examples of either been found
> and dated dated as original and first?
> Well unless you have had a major change of
> perception or brain transplant recently, you
> almost invariably habitually doubt or dispute
> virtually any or most dating offered by any
> professional Archaeologist's or Egyptologist's
> anyway !

Again, that's your characterization, not mine.

I have a problem with dating by means of contextual association. Bones, food, and clothing found within a set of ruins very likely indicates the presence of the most recent culture that occupied those ruins and might have no bearing at all on the original construction of those ruins.

What dating do you subscribe to that answers that question satisfactorily for you?


> Or you might be alluding perhaps to this
> phenomena had nothing to do with either very
> ancient Mesopotamian or Egyptian cultures but
> belongs to a non attested unrelated "other"
> culture. This you will have to produce the
> evidence for yourself. Suggest start looking and
> digging at GT or Turkey!

I assume that by "phenomena" you are referring to the claim that the use of the palace facade in the serekh represents a pre-existing architectural style rather than its use preceeding a subsequent architectural style. In that case, I've seen no evidence to authenticate either scenario (ie, which came first). So it's still in Schödinger's Cat mode based on the evidence I've seen so far.


> ...
> Whilst I'm at it
>
>
Quote
Origyptian from Mastaba thread
> An adequate hypothesis for the initial use (Dyn 0
> & 1) of the serekh needs to explain not only the
> inclusion of Horus, but also entire enclosure
> complete with couryard, the uraeus in the
> courtyard, and the use of a place facade to
> represent the enclosed building rather than a
> better depiction of the actual structure at that
> end of the enclosure. From what I can tell, the
> earliest architectural examples of the palace
> facade is a very simple pleating of an enclosure
> wall, so why make the enclosure wall a straight
> line in the serekh rather than a rippled line
> indicating the pleating? Why focus on the
> engineering aspects of the surrounding wall rather
> than a more "meaningful" architectural feature of
> the building within that enclosure -- have any
> Dynasty 0 or Dynasty 1 buildings themselves (not
> the pleated enclosure wall) been found with a
> palace facade design
>
>
> It appears to me that you somewhat misunderstand
> what you are looking at. in reference to Djet
> serekh
>
> The façade part is not plan view it is elevation
> view (façade) the glyph you refer to as "uraeus"
> is simply Djet Horus name . It is fair to think
> the "courtyard" is plan view and enclosure wall ,
> as some describe it like that but it is the
> outline forming a place that later serekhs
> included the glyph spelling of Kings Horus name
> were enclosed /written (previously outside or
> alongside. It also forms a perch for the almighty
> perhaps celestial symbol of royal power /God
> affiliated sanction the Horus falcon. Seen also in
> Mesopotamian art iconery symbols all over in
> somewhat different form.

Yes, of coure I realize that's the interpretation of what's being depicted. Aside from the origin of including the "name" in the serekh, my question about the palace facade is why go through the geometric contortion of including an "elevation view" (ie, side view) of the wall and reproduce that closeup detail atop a plan view of the wall that's misrepresented as a straight line instead of simply (and more acccurately) reproducing the ripples within the the plan view itself. It seems like an unnecessary contortion that is easily reconciled by the possibility that the "palace facade" originally represented something other than the architectural style of the "enclosure wall" which is represented as a straight rather than rippled line.


> Ok at least if I have made mistakes, I feel maybe
> if I ask nicely, Thanos will correct me. But my
> guess ....don't count on it.
>
> I hope that helps the nagging dilemma?
> Cheers

It doesn't seem like a dilemma to me.

> ...
> Edit PS: Now if you are thinking of a nah nah
> 'come back' something like.... there are no Lions
> in Britain or definitely no unicorns in Scotland!
> Then..... do you think they could have made a wild
> guess and dreamt up what a big cat might look like
> sight unseen and struck it lucky and it turned
> out consistent or they later bred or imported them
> , or that mythical unicorns were not already
> folklore before it made the Scottish Royal CoA?

Defaulting to such analogies, metaphors and essentially false equivalencies is often how such apparent dilemmas are created in the first place. That's one reason that I only consider the direct physical evidence. I just haven't seen it yet.

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Pyramid Construction 7965 Thanos5150 11-Dec-16 06:05
Re: Pyramid Construction & Grand Gallery 1168 M. J. Thomas 11-Dec-16 11:10
Re: Pyramid Construction & Grand Gallery 1059 Thanos5150 11-Dec-16 17:28
Re: Pyramid Construction & Grand Gallery 985 cladking 11-Dec-16 19:03
Re: Pyramid Construction 955 Jon Ellison 11-Dec-16 12:49
Re: Pyramid Construction 962 cladking 11-Dec-16 14:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 905 DScribr 11-Dec-16 14:49
Re: Pyramid Construction 895 Thanos5150 11-Dec-16 18:03
Re: Pyramid Construction 874 Lee McGiffen 16-Dec-16 10:43
Re: Pyramid Construction 912 DUNE 16-Dec-16 12:08
Re: Pyramid Construction 791 DUNE 16-Dec-16 14:10
Re: Pyramid Construction 922 cladking 11-Dec-16 14:57
Re: Pyramid Construction 806 Thanos5150 11-Dec-16 17:29
Re: Pyramid Construction 915 cladking 11-Dec-16 19:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 842 Thanos5150 11-Dec-16 17:43
Re: Pyramid Construction 844 sfbey 11-Dec-16 17:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 832 DScribr 11-Dec-16 21:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 696 Warwick 11-Dec-16 21:25
Re: Pyramid Construction 940 DScribr 11-Dec-16 22:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 771 Warwick 11-Dec-16 20:56
Block Construction 810 DScribr 11-Dec-16 21:23
Re: Block Construction 846 Warwick 11-Dec-16 21:35
Re: Block Construction 863 randompHactor 11-Dec-16 21:53
Re: Block Construction 797 DScribr 11-Dec-16 22:59
Re: Pyramid Construction 896 loveritas 11-Dec-16 22:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 858 DScribr 11-Dec-16 23:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 807 loveritas 12-Dec-16 01:08
Re: Pyramid Construction 869 DScribr 12-Dec-16 14:31
More Sand 837 loveritas 12-Dec-16 22:11
Re: More Sand 805 cladking 12-Dec-16 23:19
Re: More Sand 828 Thanos5150 13-Dec-16 00:15
Re: More Sand 822 cladking 13-Dec-16 00:25
Re: More Sand 832 DScribr 13-Dec-16 01:03
Re: More Sand 825 Thanos5150 13-Dec-16 01:19
Where is the Sand 839 DScribr 13-Dec-16 01:00
Re: Where is the Sand 841 cladking 13-Dec-16 02:15
Re: Where is the Sand 849 DScribr 13-Dec-16 03:34
Re: More Sand 883 Audrey 13-Dec-16 03:50
Re: More Sand 813 cladking 13-Dec-16 04:43
Re: More Sand 876 Audrey 13-Dec-16 04:55
Re: More Sand 915 Jon Ellison 13-Dec-16 11:40
Re: More Sand 923 Audrey 14-Dec-16 02:43
Re: More Sand 921 Jon Ellison 14-Dec-16 10:39
Re: More Sand 855 Audrey 15-Dec-16 01:19
Re: More Sand 854 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 03:03
Re: More Sand 820 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 03:19
Re: More Sand 889 Audrey 15-Dec-16 05:40
Re: More Sand 843 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 09:50
Re: More Sand 755 DUNE 15-Dec-16 11:35
Re: More Sand 799 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 12:38
Re: More Sand 827 Audrey 16-Dec-16 06:10
Re: More Sand 818 Origyptian 16-Dec-16 14:52
Re: More Sand 778 Origyptian 15-Dec-16 14:33
Re: More Sand 758 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 15:17
Re: More Sand 797 Origyptian 15-Dec-16 15:35
Re: More Sand 772 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 15:45
Re: More Sand 847 Origyptian 15-Dec-16 16:02
Re: More Sand 848 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 16:25
Re: More Sand 768 DUNE 15-Dec-16 17:00
Re: More Sand 688 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 17:20
Re: More Sand 815 DUNE 15-Dec-16 17:38
Re: More Sand 784 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 17:48
Re: More Sand 820 Audrey 16-Dec-16 06:27
Re: More Sand 775 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 14:41
Re: More Sand 800 DUNE 16-Dec-16 15:38
Re: More Sand 768 Thanos5150 16-Dec-16 17:02
Re: More Sand 896 DUNE 16-Dec-16 17:15
Re: More Sand 875 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 19:12
Re: More Sand 764 DUNE 16-Dec-16 20:04
Re: More Sand 848 Origyptian 15-Dec-16 17:01
Re: More Sand 734 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 17:33
Chisel Marks Suggest..... 812 DScribr 15-Dec-16 15:20
Re: Chisel Marks Suggest..... 830 Origyptian 15-Dec-16 15:41
Re: Chisel Marks Suggest..... 755 DScribr 15-Dec-16 15:49
Re: More Sand 761 Audrey 16-Dec-16 06:17
Re: More Sand 778 Jon Ellison 14-Dec-16 11:43
Popular Posters 967 loveritas 14-Dec-16 10:57
Re: Popular Posters 958 M. J. Thomas 14-Dec-16 13:52
Re: Popular Posters 790 DScribr 14-Dec-16 15:18
Presumption Correction 939 loveritas 13-Dec-16 06:35
Re: Presumption Correction 883 Audrey 13-Dec-16 06:38
Re: More Sand 868 Thanos5150 13-Dec-16 07:17
Re: More Sand 811 cladking 13-Dec-16 14:46
Re: More Sand 851 Thanos5150 13-Dec-16 18:07
Re: More Sand 755 Thanos5150 13-Dec-16 19:07
Re: More Sand 882 cladking 13-Dec-16 21:19
Re: More Sand 829 Thanos5150 14-Dec-16 02:34
Re: More Sand 871 cladking 14-Dec-16 03:41
Re: More Sand 803 Thanos5150 15-Dec-16 17:39
Re: More Sand 844 cladking 13-Dec-16 21:16
Re: More Sand 765 Audrey 14-Dec-16 03:31
GOT Sand??? 822 DScribr 14-Dec-16 04:06
Re: GOT Sand??? 871 Audrey 14-Dec-16 04:36
Re: GOT brains??? 925 DScribr 14-Dec-16 15:16
Re: GOT Sand??? 931 cladking 14-Dec-16 04:51
Who Ya' Gonna Call? 844 cladking 17-Dec-16 17:51
Re: More Sand 780 loveritas 13-Dec-16 01:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 756 Steve Clayton 11-Dec-16 23:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 733 Sirius7237 12-Dec-16 00:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 841 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 01:03
Re: Pyramid Construction 787 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 01:19
Re: Pyramid Construction 808 Sirius7237 12-Dec-16 05:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 1120 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 06:29
Re: Pyramid Construction 849 Sirius7237 13-Dec-16 23:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 748 Thanos5150 14-Dec-16 19:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 810 M. J. Thomas 12-Dec-16 11:52
Re: Pyramid Construction 823 Sirius7237 12-Dec-16 17:24
Re: Pyramid Construction 832 M. J. Thomas 13-Dec-16 01:22
Re: Pyramid Construction 797 DScribr 13-Dec-16 03:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 1231 Steve Clayton 13-Dec-16 18:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 779 Jon Ellison 13-Dec-16 18:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 844 cladking 13-Dec-16 21:29
Re: Pyramid Construction 853 Steve Clayton 13-Dec-16 23:22
Re: Pyramid Construction 798 cladking 13-Dec-16 21:27
Re: Pyramid Construction 774 Sirius7237 13-Dec-16 23:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 799 Steve Clayton 14-Dec-16 17:31
Houdin's most critical error 883 Warwick 14-Dec-16 18:17
Re: Houdin's most critical error 808 Steve Clayton 14-Dec-16 18:52
Re: Houdin's most critical error 871 Warwick 14-Dec-16 19:14
Re: Houdin's most critical error 777 Origyptian 15-Dec-16 21:07
the $64,000.00 Question 844 Warwick 16-Dec-16 19:35
Re: the $64,000.00 Question 738 DScribr 16-Dec-16 21:03
Re: the $64,000.00 Question 778 Warwick 16-Dec-16 22:03
Re: the $64,000.00 Question 838 Origyptian 16-Dec-16 22:23
Re: the $64,000.00 Question 762 Warwick 16-Dec-16 22:43
Re: the $64,000.00 Question 787 Origyptian 16-Dec-16 23:07
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 759 M. J. Thomas 18-Dec-16 11:24
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 829 DUNE 18-Dec-16 12:14
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 752 Origyptian 18-Dec-16 17:05
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 831 DUNE 18-Dec-16 17:51
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 713 Origyptian 19-Dec-16 01:47
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 681 Jon Ellison 19-Dec-16 19:41
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 723 DUNE 19-Dec-16 21:29
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 646 Jon Ellison 19-Dec-16 22:47
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 806 DUNE 19-Dec-16 23:21
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 687 Jon Ellison 20-Dec-16 11:56
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 838 Origyptian 18-Dec-16 14:53
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 704 cladking 18-Dec-16 16:17
Where are the Taxonomies? 757 cladking 18-Dec-16 16:26
Re: Where are the Taxonomies? 771 cladking 18-Dec-16 16:33
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 703 M. J. Thomas 18-Dec-16 16:26
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 754 cladking 18-Dec-16 16:43
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 792 Origyptian 18-Dec-16 16:58
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 769 Origyptian 18-Dec-16 16:44
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 628 M. J. Thomas 18-Dec-16 17:33
In A Cemetery 769 DScribr 18-Dec-16 20:06
Re: In A Cemetery 755 cladking 18-Dec-16 20:11
Re: In A Cemetery 779 DScribr 18-Dec-16 22:59
Re: In A Cemetery 722 cladking 19-Dec-16 00:52
Re: In A Cemetery 773 DScribr 19-Dec-16 01:32
Re: In A Cemetery 667 Origyptian 19-Dec-16 01:52
Re: In A Cemetery 782 DScribr 19-Dec-16 03:54
Re: In A Cemetery 817 Thanos5150 19-Dec-16 04:44
Re: In A Cemetery 710 M. J. Thomas 19-Dec-16 17:53
Re: In A Cemetery 704 cladking 19-Dec-16 17:59
Re: In A Cemetery 717 Origyptian 19-Dec-16 18:13
Yes, Buried In A Cemetery 753 DScribr 20-Dec-16 03:50
Re: Yes, Buried In A Cemetery 721 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 15:34
Re: In A Cemetery 739 M. J. Thomas 20-Dec-16 11:23
Re: In A Cemetery 714 Jon Ellison 20-Dec-16 11:28
Re: In A Cemetery 698 M. J. Thomas 20-Dec-16 11:52
Re: In A Cemetery 666 Corpuscles 20-Dec-16 11:58
Re: In A Cemetery 662 DUNE 20-Dec-16 15:06
Re: In A Cemetery 856 Jon Ellison 20-Dec-16 17:42
Re: In A Cemetery 744 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 15:49
Re: In A Cemetery 694 Jon Ellison 20-Dec-16 16:31
Re: In A Cemetery 635 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 16:49
Re: In A Cemetery 694 Jon Ellison 20-Dec-16 17:11
Re: In A Cemetery 697 cladking 20-Dec-16 19:46
Re: In A Cemetery 684 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 20:51
Re: In A Cemetery 714 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:56
Re: In A Cemetery 766 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 21:09
Re: In A Cemetery 679 Warwick 20-Dec-16 21:15
Re: In A Cemetery 685 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 21:42
Re: In A Cemetery 664 Warwick 21-Dec-16 23:01
Re: In A Cemetery 743 Origyptian 22-Dec-16 05:28
Re: In A Cemetery 681 cladking 20-Dec-16 21:07
Re: Why was the Egyptologist so depressed? 720 Sirius7237 21-Dec-16 02:58
He just wasn't getting enough FUNicular... 676 cladking 21-Dec-16 20:27
Re: He just wasn't getting enough FUNicular... 581 Warwick 21-Dec-16 21:35
Re: In A Cemetery 752 Thanos5150 20-Dec-16 21:44
Re: In A Cemetery 620 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 22:13
Re: In A Cemetery 762 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 00:02
Re: In A Cemetery 758 Origyptian 21-Dec-16 01:24
Re: In A Cemetery 866 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 01:55
Re: In A Cemetery 767 Audrey 21-Dec-16 02:52
Enough et als to build a pyramid. 730 cladking 21-Dec-16 03:06
Re: In A Cemetery 746 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 03:15
Re: In A Cemetery 724 Audrey 21-Dec-16 04:50
Re: In A Cemetery 758 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 21:02
sidebar 822 Warwick 21-Dec-16 21:16
Re: In A Cemetery 881 Audrey 22-Dec-16 02:01
Re: In A Cemetery 923 eyeofhorus33 21-Dec-16 07:16
Re: In A Cemetery 719 Corpuscles 21-Dec-16 12:00
Re: In A Cemetery 632 M. J. Thomas 21-Dec-16 13:39
Re: In A Cemetery 672 eyeofhorus33 21-Dec-16 13:54
Re: In A Cemetery 881 DUNE 21-Dec-16 15:55
Re: In A Cemetery 829 Thunderbird 21-Dec-16 17:48
Re: In A Cemetery 721 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 22:33
Re: In A Cemetery 861 Martin Stower 21-Dec-16 22:02
Re: In A Cemetery 688 Warwick 21-Dec-16 22:11
Re: In A Cemetery 739 Audrey 21-Dec-16 02:49
Re: In A Cemetery 789 M. J. Thomas 21-Dec-16 06:02
Re: In A Cemetery 743 cladking 21-Dec-16 14:44
Re: In A Cemetery 508 Steve Clayton 30-Mar-18 20:42
Re: In A Cemetery 650 DScribr 19-Dec-16 23:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 778 Sirius7237 14-Dec-16 23:27
Re: Pyramid Construction 861 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 02:29
Re: Pyramid Construction 715 Sirius7237 15-Dec-16 03:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 876 Sirius7237 15-Dec-16 04:25
Re: Pyramid Construction 811 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 13:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 847 Sirius7237 15-Dec-16 15:35
Animal Fat for Lube?!? 802 DScribr 15-Dec-16 15:48
Re: Animal Fat for Lube?!? 770 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 17:26
Re: Animal Fat reduces Friction-That's A Fact! 775 DScribr 15-Dec-16 20:13
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 744 Sirius7237 17-Dec-16 22:09
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 758 Steve Clayton 19-Dec-16 02:03
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 913 Sirius7237 19-Dec-16 18:42
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 723 Steve Clayton 20-Dec-16 17:56
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 614 Sirius7237 21-Dec-16 02:56
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 711 Steve Clayton 21-Dec-16 18:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 792 cladking 12-Dec-16 14:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 740 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 15:29
Re: Pyramid Construction 749 cladking 12-Dec-16 15:56
Re: Pyramid Construction 772 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 01:18
Re: Pyramid Construction 875 Sirius7237 12-Dec-16 05:57
Re: Pyramid Construction 837 cladking 12-Dec-16 02:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 731 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 01:26
Re: Accretion Layers 748 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 02:14
Re: G3 Exposed 980 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 03:53
Re: G3 Exposed 861 loveritas 12-Dec-16 04:44
Re: G3 Exposed 725 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 05:15
Re: G3 Exposed 1057 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 05:39
Re: G3 Exposed 812 loveritas 12-Dec-16 06:17
Re: G3 Exposed 742 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 15:40
Re: G3 Exposed 723 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 16:40
Re: Detail of Queen's Pyramids 1069 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 04:02
Re: Detail of Queen's Pyramids 813 loveritas 12-Dec-16 05:12
Re: Detail of Queen's Pyramids 802 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 05:21
Re: Detail of Queen's Pyramids 780 loveritas 12-Dec-16 05:38
Re: Detail of Queen's Pyramids 1153 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 06:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 809 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 14:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 712 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 16:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 711 DScribr 12-Dec-16 17:28
Re: Pyramid Construction 765 Warwick 12-Dec-16 18:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 741 cladking 12-Dec-16 18:32
Re: Pyramid Construction 734 Warwick 12-Dec-16 18:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 763 cladking 12-Dec-16 19:18
Re: Pyramid Construction 747 Warwick 12-Dec-16 19:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 694 cladking 12-Dec-16 20:43
Re: Pyramid Construction 762 Warwick 13-Dec-16 19:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 713 cladking 13-Dec-16 20:29
NO 717 Warwick 13-Dec-16 21:54
Re: Pyramid Construction 747 cladking 13-Dec-16 21:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 749 Warwick 14-Dec-16 18:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 873 cladking 14-Dec-16 18:52
While Egyptology fiddles... 706 cladking 14-Dec-16 19:32
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 807 Warwick 16-Dec-16 19:48
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 703 cladking 16-Dec-16 20:22
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 753 Warwick 16-Dec-16 22:48
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 761 cladking 16-Dec-16 23:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 824 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 770 cladking 12-Dec-16 21:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 653 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 22:26
Re: Pyramid Construction 746 cladking 12-Dec-16 23:13
Mind-reading a means of Sentence (Re)Construction 790 DScribr 13-Dec-16 01:06
Re: Mind-reading a means of Sentence (Re)Construction 733 cladking 13-Dec-16 02:27
Re: Mind-reading a means of Sentence (Re)Construction-Webster's is not...... 786 DScribr 13-Dec-16 03:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 682 Steve Clayton 14-Dec-16 19:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 754 cladking 14-Dec-16 19:40
Re: Pyramid Construction 694 Warwick 14-Dec-16 20:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 716 cladking 14-Dec-16 20:40
Re: Pyramid Construction 708 Audrey 15-Dec-16 01:39
Re: Pyramid Construction 803 cladking 15-Dec-16 01:48
correction 658 Warwick 16-Dec-16 19:30
Re: correction 746 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 19:49
Re: correction 704 Warwick 16-Dec-16 20:05
Re: correction 679 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 20:27
Re: correction 681 Warwick 16-Dec-16 22:10
Re: correction 686 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 22:50
NONE 606 DScribr 16-Dec-16 22:59
Re: correction 708 Origyptian 16-Dec-16 22:53
Re: 21st Century Westerner v 4th Dyn. Ancient Egyptian 784 M. J. Thomas 18-Dec-16 23:28
Re: correction 717 Martin Stower 22-Dec-16 16:20
Re: correction 694 DocKnowles 22-Dec-16 20:22
Re: correction 714 Martin Stower 22-Dec-16 21:00
Re: correction 734 DocKnowles 23-Dec-16 06:43
Re: correction 679 eyeofhorus33 23-Dec-16 07:43
Re: correction 676 DocKnowles 23-Dec-16 10:44
Re: correction 655 eyeofhorus33 23-Dec-16 12:06
Re: correction 671 cladking 23-Dec-16 14:26
Re: correction 692 eyeofhorus33 23-Dec-16 15:41
Re: correction 734 cladking 23-Dec-16 17:13
Re: correction 620 Origyptian 23-Dec-16 17:16
Re: correction 599 cladking 23-Dec-16 17:31
Re: correction 712 Thanos5150 23-Dec-16 17:39
Re: correction 702 eyeofhorus33 24-Dec-16 08:13
Re: correction 677 cladking 24-Dec-16 15:18
Re: correction 829 eyeofhorus33 24-Dec-16 16:49
Re: correction 679 cladking 24-Dec-16 17:24
Re: correction 665 Thanos5150 24-Dec-16 16:52
Re: correction 714 Origyptian 24-Dec-16 18:12
Re: correction 726 Martin Stower 24-Dec-16 23:42
Re: correction 958 Thanos5150 25-Dec-16 00:51
Re: correction 707 Thanos5150 25-Dec-16 01:03
Re: correction 813 DUNE 27-Dec-16 18:09
Re: correction 802 DUNE 30-Dec-16 21:16
Re: correction 780 Thanos5150 30-Dec-16 23:58
Re: correction 908 eyeofhorus33 31-Dec-16 07:38
Re: correction 668 Martin Stower 23-Dec-16 14:44
Re: correction 686 DocKnowles 23-Dec-16 20:39
Re: correction 679 Martin Stower 23-Dec-16 22:02
Re: correction 655 Thanos5150 16-Dec-16 21:42
Re: correction 672 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 22:24
Re: correction 800 Origyptian 16-Dec-16 22:38
Re: correction 677 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 23:00
Re: correction 870 Thanos5150 16-Dec-16 23:32
Re: correction 708 Jon Ellison 17-Dec-16 00:46
Re: correction 712 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 05:28
Re: correction 660 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 06:02
Re: correction 627 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 06:31
Re: correction 642 Audrey 17-Dec-16 07:07
Re: correction 739 DUNE 17-Dec-16 11:16
Re: correction 834 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 14:39
Re: correction 730 DUNE 17-Dec-16 16:48
Re: correction 728 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 17:00
Block Removal 764 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:25
Re: correction 742 Jon Ellison 17-Dec-16 12:36
Re: correction 671 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 15:08
Re: correction 771 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 13:56
Egypto-illogic. 642 cladking 17-Dec-16 15:32
Re: Egypto-illogic. 655 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 16:41
Ori-illogic. 729 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:12
Re: Egypto-illogic. 677 cladking 17-Dec-16 17:38
Got Shovels? 679 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:30
Reality-what a concept 766 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:09
Re: correction 584 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 18:26
Re: correction 704 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 19:14
Re: correction 678 cladking 17-Dec-16 19:37
Re: correction 648 Audrey 17-Dec-16 20:14
Modern Gods! 618 cladking 17-Dec-16 20:55
Re: correction 697 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 22:27
Birds Of A Feather 700 DScribr 17-Dec-16 22:30
Re: correction 645 Origyptian 18-Dec-16 00:37
Re: correction 699 Audrey 18-Dec-16 01:35
Re: correction 639 Thanos5150 18-Dec-16 02:29
Re: correction 632 Audrey 18-Dec-16 01:21
Re: correction 735 cladking 18-Dec-16 02:03
Re: correction 520 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:45
Re: correction 711 cladking 20-Dec-16 21:28
Re: correction 737 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 06:50
Re: correction 687 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 14:45
"We" have no objective reason to believe..... 766 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:16
Re: correction 625 cladking 17-Dec-16 14:51
Post o' the week! 674 DScribr 17-Dec-16 16:04
Re: Post o' the week! 664 cladking 17-Dec-16 16:11
Same Old Logic 753 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:00
Re: correction 695 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:33
Re: correction 888 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 05:43
Not cropped, 'enhanced.' 755 DScribr 17-Dec-16 02:10
Re: correction 729 Audrey 17-Dec-16 03:45
Re: correction 591 Audrey 17-Dec-16 03:40
Re: correction 708 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:28
Re: correction 621 cladking 20-Dec-16 21:37
Re: correction 986 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 22:08
Re: correction 695 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 21:47
Ducks in a barrel 706 Warwick 21-Dec-16 20:50
Re: Ducks in a barrel 730 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 21:15
Re: Ducks in a barrel 847 Origyptian 22-Dec-16 05:15
Re: correction 744 Martin Stower 22-Dec-16 01:14
Re: correction 717 Audrey 21-Dec-16 01:54
Good Grief!!! 719 Warwick 21-Dec-16 20:32
Re: Good Grief!!! 726 Origyptian 21-Dec-16 23:04
Clueless 784 eyeofhorus33 21-Dec-16 23:24
Re: Clueless 694 Audrey 22-Dec-16 02:08
Re: Good Grief!!! 846 Martin Stower 21-Dec-16 23:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 824 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 02:59
Re: Pyramid Construction 757 cladking 15-Dec-16 04:00
The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 783 DScribr 15-Dec-16 04:54
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 744 cladking 15-Dec-16 05:15
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 757 DScribr 15-Dec-16 15:22
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 665 cladking 15-Dec-16 17:08
thank you for the opportunity 735 Warwick 13-Dec-16 19:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 769 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:31
It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 743 cladking 12-Dec-16 21:03
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 766 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 22:32
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 755 cladking 12-Dec-16 22:58
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 811 Steve Clayton 13-Dec-16 00:09
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 749 cladking 13-Dec-16 00:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 787 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:24
Re: Pyramid Construction 822 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 19:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 699 DocKnowles 18-Dec-16 09:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 650 Thanos5150 02-Mar-18 03:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 488 Origyptian 02-Mar-18 17:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 568 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-18 17:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 653 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-18 23:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 490 Origyptian 03-Mar-18 01:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 566 Audrey 03-Mar-18 03:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 555 cladking 03-Mar-18 04:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 620 Audrey 03-Mar-18 07:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 522 cladking 03-Mar-18 14:44
Re: Pyramid Construction 488 Audrey 04-Mar-18 21:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 497 cladking 04-Mar-18 23:10
Re: Pyramid Construction 479 Audrey 05-Mar-18 00:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 470 cladking 05-Mar-18 04:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 492 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 03:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 578 Origyptian 03-Mar-18 13:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 503 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 16:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 506 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 04:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 512 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 21:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 582 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 04:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 519 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 17:11
Re: Pyramid Construction 504 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 17:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 474 cladking 03-Mar-18 19:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 495 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 22:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 485 Audrey 03-Mar-18 18:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 475 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 20:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 491 Audrey 04-Mar-18 22:10
Re: Pyramid Construction 588 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 22:50
Re: Pyramid Construction 502 cladking 04-Mar-18 23:22
Re: Pyramid Construction 506 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 21:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 552 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 23:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 457 Thanos5150 04-Mar-18 16:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 511 Audrey 04-Mar-18 21:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 516 DUNE 04-Mar-18 22:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 480 Thanos5150 05-Mar-18 02:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 533 Warwick 05-Mar-18 16:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 523 cladking 05-Mar-18 05:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 558 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 02:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 523 Warwick 05-Mar-18 16:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 502 Thanos5150 05-Mar-18 18:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 571 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 18:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 533 Warwick 06-Mar-18 00:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 496 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 04:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 531 Warwick 06-Mar-18 04:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 554 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 14:33
Riposte 668 Warwick 06-Mar-18 16:27
Re: Riposte 573 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 16:37
Re: Riposte 477 Warwick 06-Mar-18 16:54
Re: Riposte 564 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 17:15
Re: Riposte 504 Warwick 06-Mar-18 19:18
Re: Riposte 466 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 19:30
coup de grace 519 Warwick 06-Mar-18 20:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 519 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 17:37
Re: Pyramid Construction 472 cladking 04-Mar-18 17:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 535 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 18:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 489 DUNE 04-Mar-18 19:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 494 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 20:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 503 cladking 04-Mar-18 21:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 558 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 20:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 529 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 20:49
Re: Pyramid Construction 502 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 21:28
Re: Pyramid Construction 541 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 22:19
Re: Pyramid Construction 518 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 02:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 554 cladking 04-Mar-18 20:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 542 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 23:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 533 Audrey 04-Mar-18 23:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 491 cladking 05-Mar-18 02:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 543 cladking 05-Mar-18 02:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 529 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-18 19:19
Re: Pyramid Construction 545 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 19:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 492 cladking 05-Mar-18 20:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 500 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 16:14
Re: Pyramid Construction 647 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 19:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 486 cladking 06-Mar-18 19:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 517 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 21:43
Re: Pyramid Construction 462 cladking 06-Mar-18 22:03
Re: Pyramid Construction 504 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 23:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 538 Corpuscles 07-Mar-18 00:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 563 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-18 02:08
Re: Pyramid Construction 497 cladking 04-Mar-18 20:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 529 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 519 Steve Clayton 11-Mar-18 00:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 518 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 522 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 633 Origyptian 11-Mar-18 14:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 597 Thanos5150 25-Mar-18 22:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 511 Jon Ellison 25-Mar-18 22:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 536 Barbelo 25-Mar-18 22:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 540 Thanos5150 25-Mar-18 23:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 604 Barbelo 26-Mar-18 03:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 576 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 04:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 519 Barbelo 27-Mar-18 10:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 555 Origyptian 27-Mar-18 15:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 547 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 22:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 513 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 23:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 549 cladking 28-Mar-18 00:25
Re: Pyramid Construction 497 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 03:59
Re: Pyramid Construction 472 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 03:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 531 Thanos5150 28-Mar-18 05:56
Re: Pyramid Construction 537 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 13:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 469 Steve Clayton 28-Mar-18 17:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 474 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 18:36
Re: Dashur Ancient Harbor 567 Thunderbird 28-Mar-18 20:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 586 Thanos5150 28-Mar-18 20:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 557 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 21:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 519 Thanos5150 29-Mar-18 00:22
Re: Pyramid Construction 511 Origyptian 29-Mar-18 05:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 538 Thanos5150 29-Mar-18 16:52
Re: Pyramid Construction 610 Origyptian 30-Mar-18 14:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 601 Thanos5150 30-Mar-18 16:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 458 Eddie Larry 30-Mar-18 17:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 487 Origyptian 30-Mar-18 17:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 494 Eddie Larry 30-Mar-18 17:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 555 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 00:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 541 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 00:01
Where Are The Palaces? 492 Barbelo 31-Mar-18 00:26
Re: Where Are The Palaces? 500 Origyptian 31-Mar-18 04:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 516 Eddie Larry 31-Mar-18 04:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 508 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 16:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 540 Eddie Larry 31-Mar-18 17:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 646 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 03:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 642 Corpuscles 05-Apr-18 06:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 492 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 15:55
Re: Manetho...David Rohl.....both wrong : ) 516 Thunderbird 05-Apr-18 18:52
Re: Manetho...David Rohl.....both wrong : ) 522 Eddie Larry 05-Apr-18 21:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 602 Corpuscles 05-Apr-18 22:50
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 678 Thunderbird 06-Apr-18 04:50
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 501 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 12:13
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 481 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 16:39
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 496 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 18:21
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 521 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 19:01
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 569 Thunderbird 06-Apr-18 19:12
Archaeology vs Archaeology 494 Barbelo 06-Apr-18 20:13
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 494 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 21:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 576 Steve Clayton 02-Apr-18 23:49
Re: Pyramid Construction 552 Thanos5150 03-Apr-18 17:26
Re: Pyramid Construction 522 Steve Clayton 05-Apr-18 00:39
Constructors’ Physique Assumption 507 Dr. Troglodyte 03-Apr-18 19:08
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 531 Origyptian 04-Apr-18 01:54
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 522 Dr. Troglodyte 04-Apr-18 14:24
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 597 Steve Clayton 04-Apr-18 23:21
Means & Methods Assumptions 515 Dr. Troglodyte 05-Apr-18 15:42
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 606 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 21:13
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 504 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Apr-18 13:45
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 482 cladking 07-Apr-18 14:01
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 576 Origyptian 07-Apr-18 16:42
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 481 Dr. Troglodyte 08-Apr-18 00:05
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 489 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 19:34
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 508 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 03:48
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 563 Origyptian 07-Apr-18 05:53
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 455 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 18:51
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 484 Thanos5150 07-Apr-18 21:36
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 478 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 23:32
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 490 Thanos5150 08-Apr-18 02:50
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 454 Steve Clayton 08-Apr-18 02:57
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 524 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Apr-18 13:58
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 449 Steve Clayton