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Author: Sirius7237 ()

Thanks for the update, Steve. God I hate the word debunked. I wonder if you are throwing out the entire theory based on one aspect of the visual? At any rate, I was only suggesting Houdin as an example of how a theory for making the GG and functional rather than esthetic feature might work.

It has honestly been so long since I watched that presentation that I have forgotten many of the details. Here is a brief clip of his proposed GG function for anyone else that has forgotten:

[youtu.be]

Here is a brief article from Archaeology as well:

[archive.archaeology.org]

It seems to me there are some features that suggest Houdin may have been at least partly right but such as the gravimetry print and some features of the exposed corner but I'll defer to your explanation for the other features.

Thanks for the input.



Hi Sirius7237,

My remarks below are not aimed at you. Just part of the discussion, so hopefully others will understand.

[www.youtube.com]

In his video, the Grand Gallery was used with a large counterbalance. This counterbalance and it's ropes are used to pull stones up on an outside ramp.

Below his video, he claim:

"With my partner Dassault Systèmes, we carried lots of simulation regarding the counterweight system sliding in Grand Gallery. The whole mechanism was tested in all the situations and everything proved working fine. A virtual reality 3D animation was then done for a better understanding by the public."

He carried out lots of simulations regarding the counterweight system. The whole mechanism was tested...proved working fine....


OK, let's take look at those claims.

What is the definition a Counterbalance?
noun
1.
a weight balancing another weight; an equal weight, power, or influence acting in opposition; counterpoise.
verb (used with or without object), counterbalanced,counterbalancing.
2.
to act against or oppose with an equal weight, force, or influence;offset.


First, Google counterbalance, show yourself all the machines which takes advantage of a counterbalance. In the case of a forklift, it is counterbalanced in the back, with a rated weight, so it won't tip over. It's hydraulics that performs the lifting.

A counter balance is, as it says, simply in balance from an opposing force or weight of equal. So, how does that translate into any additional mechanical advantage? The fact that you attempt to use it, as some form of a mechanical advantage, is non existent. Once it is out of balance, by definition, it is no longer a counterbalance. When using it in relationship to ramps, (incline plains), it's the Incline Plain that is a "simple machine" , and gives you a mechanical advantage, and not the counterbalance.

You have two opposing weights. So, any effort to pull on one side, is a opposed by the weight on the other side, regardless of it's force or mass. That's the "counter" portion in the term counter - balance. It's countered.

Here is another way of looking at it. What happens if you remove the weight from one side? Does it conveniently float in space, while you attempt to replace ropes or weight on the opposite side? No, it immediately pulls or drops. Does this happen with all degrees of weight? As in, 1 ton vs 80 tons? The answer is yes. So then, how can Houdin derive any mechanical advantage in using it to pull stones up a ramp? Instead of a scale (counterbalance) with two equal platforms, you can use ropes to "offset" the "distance apart" of two opposing weights. That's all you can do, change the distance. Now then, if you can hold down those ropes and/or lockup the stone inside (60 - 80 tons of pulling force) you could attach a stone outside on a ramp of equal or less weight. If the ramps and weight were equal, you go nowhere, because you are in balance. If the ramp on the outside is less of an angle, you now begin to gain a mechanical advantage, as well as, loss height and/or increase the ramps length. So then, a counterbalance offers you NO mechanical advantage. it's the Incline (ramp) Plain, that does.

Houdin inside the Grand Gallery, has a weight which is larger than the stone he intends to pull up on an outside ramp, into a higher position. To reset that weight, requires all those men in his video, to pull back up the heavier weight found inside the Grand Gallery. Well, if that's the case, go pull up the lighter stone and forget about the big stone inside, as it affords you no extra advantage. Additionally, GG is only 140 feet long, and the stone he uses looks to be like the ones used above the Kings chamber, 40 ft. long. So the longest pull could only be 100 feet. That means, his other ramp can only be 100 feet, unless you plan on doing a double pull/reset.. A double pull just adds to the dilemma.

"Lot's of simulations, working fine, whole mechanism tested"...

Why would anyone pull up a heavier stone, just so they could eventually, pull up a lighter stone?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 14-Dec-16 18:35 by Steve Clayton.

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Re: Why was the Egyptologist so depressed? 616 Sirius7237 21-Dec-16 02:58
He just wasn't getting enough FUNicular... 559 cladking 21-Dec-16 20:27
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Re: In A Cemetery 651 Audrey 21-Dec-16 02:52
Enough et als to build a pyramid. 615 cladking 21-Dec-16 03:06
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Re: In A Cemetery 693 eyeofhorus33 21-Dec-16 07:16
Re: In A Cemetery 605 Corpuscles 21-Dec-16 12:00
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Re: In A Cemetery 545 eyeofhorus33 21-Dec-16 13:54
Re: In A Cemetery 671 DUNE 21-Dec-16 15:55
Re: In A Cemetery 663 Thunderbird 21-Dec-16 17:48
Re: In A Cemetery 599 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 22:33
Re: In A Cemetery 712 Martin Stower 21-Dec-16 22:02
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Re: In A Cemetery 399 Steve Clayton 30-Mar-18 20:42
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Re: Pyramid Construction 675 Sirius7237 14-Dec-16 23:27
Re: Pyramid Construction 756 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 02:29
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Re: Pyramid Construction 685 Sirius7237 15-Dec-16 04:25
Re: Pyramid Construction 695 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 13:33
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Animal Fat for Lube?!? 690 DScribr 15-Dec-16 15:48
Re: Animal Fat for Lube?!? 658 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 17:26
Re: Animal Fat reduces Friction-That's A Fact! 648 DScribr 15-Dec-16 20:13
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 628 Sirius7237 17-Dec-16 22:09
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 646 Steve Clayton 19-Dec-16 02:03
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 792 Sirius7237 19-Dec-16 18:42
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 615 Steve Clayton 20-Dec-16 17:56
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 504 Sirius7237 21-Dec-16 02:56
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 606 Steve Clayton 21-Dec-16 18:04
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Re: Pyramid Construction 636 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 15:29
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Re: G3 Exposed 680 loveritas 12-Dec-16 04:44
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Re: G3 Exposed 615 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 15:40
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Re: Pyramid Construction 601 cladking 13-Dec-16 20:29
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Re: Pyramid Construction 638 cladking 14-Dec-16 18:52
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Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 589 cladking 16-Dec-16 20:22
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 646 Warwick 16-Dec-16 22:48
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 631 cladking 16-Dec-16 23:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 649 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:45
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correction 549 Warwick 16-Dec-16 19:30
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Egypto-illogic. 532 cladking 17-Dec-16 15:32
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Ori-illogic. 595 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:12
Re: Egypto-illogic. 564 cladking 17-Dec-16 17:38
Got Shovels? 557 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:30
Reality-what a concept 635 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:09
Re: correction 460 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 18:26
Re: correction 595 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 19:14
Re: correction 559 cladking 17-Dec-16 19:37
Re: correction 532 Audrey 17-Dec-16 20:14
Modern Gods! 499 cladking 17-Dec-16 20:55
Re: correction 573 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 22:27
Birds Of A Feather 566 DScribr 17-Dec-16 22:30
Re: correction 532 Origyptian 18-Dec-16 00:37
Re: correction 585 Audrey 18-Dec-16 01:35
Re: correction 519 Thanos5150 18-Dec-16 02:29
Re: correction 522 Audrey 18-Dec-16 01:21
Re: correction 613 cladking 18-Dec-16 02:03
Re: correction 399 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:45
Re: correction 601 cladking 20-Dec-16 21:28
Re: correction 629 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 06:50
Re: correction 576 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 14:45
"We" have no objective reason to believe..... 626 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:16
Re: correction 512 cladking 17-Dec-16 14:51
Post o' the week! 547 DScribr 17-Dec-16 16:04
Re: Post o' the week! 553 cladking 17-Dec-16 16:11
Same Old Logic 625 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:00
Re: correction 587 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:33
Re: correction 631 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 05:43
Not cropped, 'enhanced.' 626 DScribr 17-Dec-16 02:10
Re: correction 615 Audrey 17-Dec-16 03:45
Re: correction 479 Audrey 17-Dec-16 03:40
Re: correction 589 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:28
Re: correction 496 cladking 20-Dec-16 21:37
Re: correction 620 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 22:08
Re: correction 582 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 21:47
Ducks in a barrel 553 Warwick 21-Dec-16 20:50
Re: Ducks in a barrel 621 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 21:15
Re: Ducks in a barrel 734 Origyptian 22-Dec-16 05:15
Re: correction 631 Martin Stower 22-Dec-16 01:14
Re: correction 609 Audrey 21-Dec-16 01:54
Good Grief!!! 606 Warwick 21-Dec-16 20:32
Re: Good Grief!!! 616 Origyptian 21-Dec-16 23:04
Clueless 640 eyeofhorus33 21-Dec-16 23:24
Re: Clueless 570 Audrey 22-Dec-16 02:08
Re: Good Grief!!! 671 Martin Stower 21-Dec-16 23:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 712 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 02:59
Re: Pyramid Construction 648 cladking 15-Dec-16 04:00
The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 653 DScribr 15-Dec-16 04:54
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 629 cladking 15-Dec-16 05:15
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 634 DScribr 15-Dec-16 15:22
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 527 cladking 15-Dec-16 17:08
thank you for the opportunity 613 Warwick 13-Dec-16 19:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 647 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:31
It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 629 cladking 12-Dec-16 21:03
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 653 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 22:32
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 647 cladking 12-Dec-16 22:58
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 708 Steve Clayton 13-Dec-16 00:09
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 643 cladking 13-Dec-16 00:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 677 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:24
Re: Pyramid Construction 706 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 19:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 586 DocKnowles 18-Dec-16 09:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 532 Thanos5150 02-Mar-18 03:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 381 Origyptian 02-Mar-18 17:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 458 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-18 17:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 436 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-18 23:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 371 Origyptian 03-Mar-18 01:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 451 Audrey 03-Mar-18 03:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 436 cladking 03-Mar-18 04:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 508 Audrey 03-Mar-18 07:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 404 cladking 03-Mar-18 14:44
Re: Pyramid Construction 377 Audrey 04-Mar-18 21:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 384 cladking 04-Mar-18 23:10
Re: Pyramid Construction 376 Audrey 05-Mar-18 00:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 362 cladking 05-Mar-18 04:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 387 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 03:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 467 Origyptian 03-Mar-18 13:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 392 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 16:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 405 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 04:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 406 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 21:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 472 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 04:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 397 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 17:11
Re: Pyramid Construction 398 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 17:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 344 cladking 03-Mar-18 19:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 390 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 22:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 379 Audrey 03-Mar-18 18:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 361 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 20:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 374 Audrey 04-Mar-18 22:10
Re: Pyramid Construction 390 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 22:50
Re: Pyramid Construction 389 cladking 04-Mar-18 23:22
Re: Pyramid Construction 374 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 21:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 451 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 23:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 344 Thanos5150 04-Mar-18 16:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 400 Audrey 04-Mar-18 21:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 392 DUNE 04-Mar-18 22:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 377 Thanos5150 05-Mar-18 02:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 404 Warwick 05-Mar-18 16:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 414 cladking 05-Mar-18 05:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 431 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 02:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 424 Warwick 05-Mar-18 16:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 395 Thanos5150 05-Mar-18 18:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 433 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 18:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 424 Warwick 06-Mar-18 00:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 391 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 04:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 425 Warwick 06-Mar-18 04:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 438 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 14:33
Riposte 434 Warwick 06-Mar-18 16:27
Re: Riposte 428 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 16:37
Re: Riposte 365 Warwick 06-Mar-18 16:54
Re: Riposte 393 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 17:15
Re: Riposte 397 Warwick 06-Mar-18 19:18
Re: Riposte 361 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 19:30
coup de grace 412 Warwick 06-Mar-18 20:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 392 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 17:37
Re: Pyramid Construction 365 cladking 04-Mar-18 17:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 429 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 18:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 385 DUNE 04-Mar-18 19:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 393 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 20:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 395 cladking 04-Mar-18 21:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 437 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 20:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 421 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 20:49
Re: Pyramid Construction 380 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 21:28
Re: Pyramid Construction 439 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 22:19
Re: Pyramid Construction 409 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 02:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 428 cladking 04-Mar-18 20:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 435 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 23:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 414 Audrey 04-Mar-18 23:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 387 cladking 05-Mar-18 02:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 418 cladking 05-Mar-18 02:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 394 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-18 19:19
Re: Pyramid Construction 440 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 19:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 386 cladking 05-Mar-18 20:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 393 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 16:14
Re: Pyramid Construction 422 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 19:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 386 cladking 06-Mar-18 19:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 398 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 21:43
Re: Pyramid Construction 357 cladking 06-Mar-18 22:03
Re: Pyramid Construction 395 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 23:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 430 Corpuscles 07-Mar-18 00:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 432 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-18 02:08
Re: Pyramid Construction 392 cladking 04-Mar-18 20:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 413 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 408 Steve Clayton 11-Mar-18 00:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 394 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 416 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 521 Origyptian 11-Mar-18 14:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 459 Thanos5150 25-Mar-18 22:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 404 Jon Ellison 25-Mar-18 22:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 415 Barbelo 25-Mar-18 22:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 421 Thanos5150 25-Mar-18 23:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 489 Barbelo 26-Mar-18 03:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 457 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 04:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 403 Barbelo 27-Mar-18 10:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 442 Origyptian 27-Mar-18 15:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 430 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 22:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 395 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 23:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 444 cladking 28-Mar-18 00:25
Re: Pyramid Construction 384 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 03:59
Re: Pyramid Construction 351 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 03:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 420 Thanos5150 28-Mar-18 05:56
Re: Pyramid Construction 417 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 13:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 355 Steve Clayton 28-Mar-18 17:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 357 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 18:36
Re: Dashur Ancient Harbor 442 Thunderbird 28-Mar-18 20:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 455 Thanos5150 28-Mar-18 20:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 437 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 21:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 405 Thanos5150 29-Mar-18 00:22
Re: Pyramid Construction 392 Origyptian 29-Mar-18 05:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 414 Thanos5150 29-Mar-18 16:52
Re: Pyramid Construction 449 Origyptian 30-Mar-18 14:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 461 Thanos5150 30-Mar-18 16:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 352 Eddie Larry 30-Mar-18 17:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 375 Origyptian 30-Mar-18 17:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 386 Eddie Larry 30-Mar-18 17:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 439 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 00:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 415 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 00:01
Where Are The Palaces? 376 Barbelo 31-Mar-18 00:26
Re: Where Are The Palaces? 390 Origyptian 31-Mar-18 04:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 412 Eddie Larry 31-Mar-18 04:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 387 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 16:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 412 Eddie Larry 31-Mar-18 17:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 422 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 03:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 516 Corpuscles 05-Apr-18 06:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 378 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 15:55
Re: Manetho...David Rohl.....both wrong : ) 412 Thunderbird 05-Apr-18 18:52
Re: Manetho...David Rohl.....both wrong : ) 389 Eddie Larry 05-Apr-18 21:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 414 Corpuscles 05-Apr-18 22:50
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 488 Thunderbird 06-Apr-18 04:50
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 392 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 12:13
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 365 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 16:39
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 377 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 18:21
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 376 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 19:01
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 364 Thunderbird 06-Apr-18 19:12
Archaeology vs Archaeology 377 Barbelo 06-Apr-18 20:13
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 384 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 21:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 470 Steve Clayton 02-Apr-18 23:49
Re: Pyramid Construction 445 Thanos5150 03-Apr-18 17:26
Re: Pyramid Construction 411 Steve Clayton 05-Apr-18 00:39
Constructors’ Physique Assumption 384 Dr. Troglodyte 03-Apr-18 19:08
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 420 Origyptian 04-Apr-18 01:54
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 418 Dr. Troglodyte 04-Apr-18 14:24
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 484 Steve Clayton 04-Apr-18 23:21
Means & Methods Assumptions 390 Dr. Troglodyte 05-Apr-18 15:42
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 383 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 21:13
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 385 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Apr-18 13:45
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 364 cladking 07-Apr-18 14:01
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 388 Origyptian 07-Apr-18 16:42
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 382 Dr. Troglodyte 08-Apr-18 00:05
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 386 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 19:34
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 382 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 03:48
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 442 Origyptian 07-Apr-18 05:53
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 359 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 18:51
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 366 Thanos5150 07-Apr-18 21:36
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 367 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 23:32
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 350 Thanos5150 08-Apr-18 02:50
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 343 Steve Clayton 08-Apr-18 02:57
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 387 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Apr-18 13:58
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 336 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 18:07
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 358 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 18:22
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 391 Origyptian 07-Apr-18 19:15
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 360