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cladking Wrote:
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> Origyptian Wrote:
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>
> > And it's apparently easier for those with
> > traditionalist views to attempt to rationalize
> > what they see by conjuring up an obscure
> > fabrication to explain the otherewise
> > inexplicable. Petrie did it with G1's relieving
> > chambers, Reisner did it with G7000x, Lehner
> did
> > it with G1's antechamber. We see it in this
> > discussion with: '...maybe each of those 40
> > blocks covering the pit had a special religious
> > meaning...'
(or 41 blocks, depending on the
> > pit) in an attempt to rationalize such an
> immense
> > effort by Late Stone Agers, while summarily
> > rejecting any other possibility that happens to
> > fit the evidence, arguably better.
> >
> > Instead of letting the evidence evolve the
> > conclusion, they cling to an ancient and
> unproven
> > conclusion and try to shoehorn all the new
> > evidence into that model in an attempt to
> maintain
> > the self-consistency of the overall paradigm. As
> a
> > result of new evidence and/or reassessment of
> old
> > evidence, many of the traditional tenets
> regarding
> > tombs, ramps, timeline, igneous stonework,
> > precision and accuracy, etc., have become a
> more
> > and more tenuous house of cards in an
> increasing
> > wind. And so it's become clear that the
> Relieving
> > Chambers do not relieve forces from above,
> G7000x
> > was not a tomb for Hetepheres, there is no
> logic
> > to explain the "security hypothesis" attributed
> to
> > the Granite Plugs in G1, and we have no reason
> to
> > believe those 40 blocks had a religious meaning
> > other than the mere presence of blocks which
> must
> > be explained somehow.
> >
> > And the traditionalist contradiction shows
> itself
> > once again in the OP of this discussion where
> the
> > court-of-law metaphor falsely implies the
> > credibility of objective due process, hinting -
> > but not claiming - it's "scientific", and yet
> the
> > key witness apparently has not established
> himself
> > as an "expert" witness. Can't have it both
> ways.
> > The OP should have been titled "...the
> > Kangaroo Court Resumes".
>
> Indeed.
>
> What we have here is a paradigm that's dead as
> hell but still hangin' on (and a massive failure
> to communicate). Typically as science has
> answered questions it raises two new questions and
> eliminates one old mystery. But everytime
> Egyptology answers a question two new mysteries
> are created. It's no wonder Egyptologists have to
> resort to waxing poetic about the power and
> efficacy of superstition. If we need
> "Superbumpkins" to drag stones then they must have
> been made strong by their highly complex beliefs
> that we still can't understand.
>
> The beauty of assuming the conclusion is you know
> where you'll end up and it makes all the research
> much easier. No need to get your hands dirty
> searching for ramps while your supporters don't
> need no stinkin' evidence.
>
> Who ever imagined a high tech dark ages was even
> possible? People refuse to think and allow the
> few to do their thinking for them as we march in
> lockstep to the sea. Just hope to don't wake up
> on that long fall down.

From my perspective, one major fundamental problem with mainstream is that the traditionalists see civilization as developing linearly and serially. They fail to consider the distinct possibility of cyclical and parallel development (which Nature actually seems to "prefer", along with repurposing/adaption). And it's looking like the latter fits the physical evidence at least as well, if not better.

In my opinion.

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Creighton v Vyse : Court Resumes 3303 loveritas 25-Sep-16 10:45
Re: Creighton v Vyse : Court Resumes 936 cladking 25-Sep-16 13:25
Re: Creighton v Vyse : Court Resumes 997 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 13:47
Re: Creighton v Vyse : Court Resumes 928 cladking 25-Sep-16 13:57
Re: Creighton v Vyse : Court Resumes 833 D-Archer 26-Sep-16 13:40
"The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 994 LonelyAngel 25-Sep-16 16:52
My Lord, I call a surprise witness: SCOTT CREIGHTON 1029 LonelyAngel 25-Sep-16 16:54
Re: My Lord, I call a surprise witness: SCOTT CREIGHTON 989 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 18:52
Re: My Lord, I call a surprise witness: SCOTT CREIGHTON 822 LonelyAngel 26-Sep-16 14:37
Re: My Lord, I call a surprise witness: SCOTT CREIGHTON 921 Martin Stower 26-Sep-16 19:36
Re: My Lord, I call a surprise witness: SCOTT CREIGHTON 910 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 19:42
Re: My Lord, I call a surprise witness: SCOTT CREIGHTON 868 Thanos5150 25-Sep-16 21:05
Re: My Lord, I call a surprise witness: SCOTT CREIGHTON 826 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 23:11
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 849 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 17:48
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 812 LonelyAngel 25-Sep-16 18:05
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 848 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 18:19
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 873 LonelyAngel 25-Sep-16 19:35
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 794 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 19:53
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 757 LonelyAngel 25-Sep-16 20:00
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 864 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 20:16
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 900 LonelyAngel 25-Sep-16 20:50
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 791 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 23:07
Right To Review. 777 DScribr 26-Sep-16 13:31
Re: Right To Review. 813 Martin Stower 26-Sep-16 20:23
Re: Right To Review. 782 DScribr 27-Sep-16 03:34
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 883 R Avry Wilson 25-Sep-16 21:24
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 865 LonelyAngel 25-Sep-16 21:33
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 884 R Avry Wilson 26-Sep-16 01:17
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 934 cladking 26-Sep-16 02:03
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 860 Martin Stower 26-Sep-16 09:26
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 811 cladking 26-Sep-16 13:52
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 829 Martin Stower 30-Sep-16 00:06
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 843 cladking 30-Sep-16 01:33
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 850 LonelyAngel 26-Sep-16 14:21
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 675 cladking 26-Sep-16 15:04
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 814 LonelyAngel 26-Sep-16 13:48
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 808 Martin Stower 26-Sep-16 20:12
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 807 R Avry Wilson 26-Sep-16 21:36
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 741 cladking 26-Sep-16 21:43
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 777 Martin Stower 26-Sep-16 01:40
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 880 cladking 25-Sep-16 21:49
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 846 LonelyAngel 25-Sep-16 22:07
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 803 cladking 25-Sep-16 22:18
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 874 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 22:45
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 882 LonelyAngel 26-Sep-16 10:31
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 768 Origyptian 26-Sep-16 15:29
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 892 LonelyAngel 26-Sep-16 15:44
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 865 Martin Stower 27-Sep-16 13:13
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 936 Martin Stower 26-Sep-16 18:11
Re: The New Inquisition 946 Thunderbird 26-Sep-16 20:35
Re: The New Inquisition 757 Martin Stower 26-Sep-16 20:43
Re: The New Inquisition 726 cladking 26-Sep-16 21:24
Re: The New Inquisition 801 Martin Stower 26-Sep-16 21:53
Re: The New Inquisition 827 cladking 26-Sep-16 23:27
Re: The New Inquisition 781 Thanos5150 26-Sep-16 23:31
Re: The New Inquisition 776 cladking 27-Sep-16 01:25
The old copy/paste trick....... 884 DScribr 28-Sep-16 00:28
Re: The Conspiracy 750 Thunderbird 27-Sep-16 00:58
Is Jason Colavito a credible expert witness? 1302 drrayeye 26-Sep-16 17:01
Re: Is Jason Colavito a credible expert witness? 1068 eyeofhorus33 26-Sep-16 19:54
Re: Is Jason Colavito a credible expert witness? 886 drrayeye 26-Sep-16 20:26
Re: Is Jason Colavito a credible expert witness? 803 M. J. Thomas 26-Sep-16 20:20
Re: Is Jason Colavito a credible expert witness? 820 cladking 26-Sep-16 21:31
Lover's premise 903 drrayeye 26-Sep-16 22:18
Re: Lover's premise 781 Martin Stower 26-Sep-16 22:20
Jason Colavito IS a credible expert witness! 897 DScribr 27-Sep-16 18:39
Re: Jason Colavito IS a credible expert witness! 1024 Martin Stower 27-Sep-16 19:16
Re: Jason Colavito IS a credible expert witness! (I swear it!!!) 1010 DScribr 28-Sep-16 00:21
Re: Is Jason Colavito a credible expert witness? 865 Barbelo 26-Sep-16 20:38
Re: Is Jason Colavito a credible expert witness? 823 Martin Stower 26-Sep-16 20:47
Oh Oh 899 drrayeye 26-Sep-16 22:20
Re: Oh Oh 741 Martin Stower 26-Sep-16 22:25
Re: Oh Oh 875 Barbelo 26-Sep-16 22:26
Re: Oh Oh 782 drrayeye 27-Sep-16 06:33
You're Not On The Same Page 853 Barbelo 27-Sep-16 10:19
You've got a lot to learn 892 drrayeye 29-Sep-16 05:36
Re: You've got a lot to learn 888 Barbelo 29-Sep-16 07:04
Re: You've got a lot to learn 794 Martin Stower 29-Sep-16 14:13
Re: You've got a lot to learn 817 DScribr 29-Sep-16 18:23
Re: You've got a lot to learn 739 Origyptian 29-Sep-16 14:58
Re: You've got a lot to learn 951 Martin Stower 29-Sep-16 15:16
Can anyone be a credible expert witness? 783 cladking 27-Sep-16 04:10
Re: Can anyone be a credible expert witness? 879 Thanos5150 27-Sep-16 06:02
Re: Can anyone be a credible expert witness? 793 Barbelo 27-Sep-16 10:23
Re: Can anyone be a credible expert witness? 843 cladking 27-Sep-16 15:14
Re: Can anyone be a credible expert witness? 785 Barbelo 27-Sep-16 21:11
Living in the dark ages. 767 cladking 27-Sep-16 14:00
Re: Living in the dark ages. 823 Origyptian 27-Sep-16 14:35
Re: Living in the dark ages. 833 cladking 27-Sep-16 14:51
Re: Living in the dark ages. 832 Origyptian 27-Sep-16 15:33
Re: Living in the dark ages. 800 cladking 27-Sep-16 16:11
Re: Living in the dark ages. 786 Barbelo 27-Sep-16 21:16
Re: Living in the dark ages. 776 Origyptian 27-Sep-16 21:36
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Re: Living in the dark ages. 819 Origyptian 29-Sep-16 14:31
Re: Living in the dark ages. 782 Martin Stower 29-Sep-16 15:33
Re: Living in the dark ages. 961 Thanos5150 27-Sep-16 16:54
Re: Living in the dark ages. 870 cladking 27-Sep-16 17:22
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Re: Living in the dark ages. 786 cladking 27-Sep-16 18:14
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Re: Oooohh... touchy 733 Morten 08-Oct-16 15:36
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Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz 653 LonelyAngel 08-Oct-16 20:14
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Philosophy: Schrödinger's cat 670 LonelyAngel 08-Oct-16 21:03
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The Three Stooges 869 LonelyAngel 11-Oct-16 19:52
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Racing for the Cliffs. 822 cladking 06-Oct-16 14:10
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