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cladking Wrote:
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> Origyptian Wrote:
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> > And it's apparently easier for those with
> > traditionalist views to attempt to rationalize
> > what they see by conjuring up an obscure
> > fabrication to explain the otherewise
> > inexplicable. Petrie did it with G1's relieving
> > chambers, Reisner did it with G7000x, Lehner
> did
> > it with G1's antechamber. We see it in this
> > discussion with: '...maybe each of those 40
> > blocks covering the pit had a special religious
> > meaning...'
(or 41 blocks, depending on the
> > pit) in an attempt to rationalize such an
> immense
> > effort by Late Stone Agers, while summarily
> > rejecting any other possibility that happens to
> > fit the evidence, arguably better.
> >
> > Instead of letting the evidence evolve the
> > conclusion, they cling to an ancient and
> unproven
> > conclusion and try to shoehorn all the new
> > evidence into that model in an attempt to
> maintain
> > the self-consistency of the overall paradigm. As
> a
> > result of new evidence and/or reassessment of
> old
> > evidence, many of the traditional tenets
> regarding
> > tombs, ramps, timeline, igneous stonework,
> > precision and accuracy, etc., have become a
> more
> > and more tenuous house of cards in an
> increasing
> > wind. And so it's become clear that the
> Relieving
> > Chambers do not relieve forces from above,
> G7000x
> > was not a tomb for Hetepheres, there is no
> logic
> > to explain the "security hypothesis" attributed
> to
> > the Granite Plugs in G1, and we have no reason
> to
> > believe those 40 blocks had a religious meaning
> > other than the mere presence of blocks which
> must
> > be explained somehow.
> >
> > And the traditionalist contradiction shows
> itself
> > once again in the OP of this discussion where
> the
> > court-of-law metaphor falsely implies the
> > credibility of objective due process, hinting -
> > but not claiming - it's "scientific", and yet
> the
> > key witness apparently has not established
> himself
> > as an "expert" witness. Can't have it both
> ways.
> > The OP should have been titled "...the
> > Kangaroo Court Resumes".
>
> Indeed.
>
> What we have here is a paradigm that's dead as
> hell but still hangin' on (and a massive failure
> to communicate). Typically as science has
> answered questions it raises two new questions and
> eliminates one old mystery. But everytime
> Egyptology answers a question two new mysteries
> are created. It's no wonder Egyptologists have to
> resort to waxing poetic about the power and
> efficacy of superstition. If we need
> "Superbumpkins" to drag stones then they must have
> been made strong by their highly complex beliefs
> that we still can't understand.
>
> The beauty of assuming the conclusion is you know
> where you'll end up and it makes all the research
> much easier. No need to get your hands dirty
> searching for ramps while your supporters don't
> need no stinkin' evidence.
>
> Who ever imagined a high tech dark ages was even
> possible? People refuse to think and allow the
> few to do their thinking for them as we march in
> lockstep to the sea. Just hope to don't wake up
> on that long fall down.

From my perspective, one major fundamental problem with mainstream is that the traditionalists see civilization as developing linearly and serially. They fail to consider the distinct possibility of cyclical and parallel development (which Nature actually seems to "prefer", along with repurposing/adaption). And it's looking like the latter fits the physical evidence at least as well, if not better.

In my opinion.

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Creighton v Vyse : Court Resumes 3202 loveritas 25-Sep-16 10:45
Re: Creighton v Vyse : Court Resumes 887 cladking 25-Sep-16 13:25
Re: Creighton v Vyse : Court Resumes 958 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 13:47
Re: Creighton v Vyse : Court Resumes 886 cladking 25-Sep-16 13:57
Re: Creighton v Vyse : Court Resumes 786 D-Archer 26-Sep-16 13:40
"The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 947 LonelyAngel 25-Sep-16 16:52
My Lord, I call a surprise witness: SCOTT CREIGHTON 976 LonelyAngel 25-Sep-16 16:54
Re: My Lord, I call a surprise witness: SCOTT CREIGHTON 947 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 18:52
Re: My Lord, I call a surprise witness: SCOTT CREIGHTON 777 LonelyAngel 26-Sep-16 14:37
Re: My Lord, I call a surprise witness: SCOTT CREIGHTON 872 Martin Stower 26-Sep-16 19:36
Re: My Lord, I call a surprise witness: SCOTT CREIGHTON 855 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 19:42
Re: My Lord, I call a surprise witness: SCOTT CREIGHTON 819 Thanos5150 25-Sep-16 21:05
Re: My Lord, I call a surprise witness: SCOTT CREIGHTON 783 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 23:11
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 807 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 17:48
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 770 LonelyAngel 25-Sep-16 18:05
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 800 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 18:19
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 832 LonelyAngel 25-Sep-16 19:35
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 753 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 19:53
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 717 LonelyAngel 25-Sep-16 20:00
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 798 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 20:16
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 834 LonelyAngel 25-Sep-16 20:50
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 732 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 23:07
Right To Review. 733 DScribr 26-Sep-16 13:31
Re: Right To Review. 770 Martin Stower 26-Sep-16 20:23
Re: Right To Review. 742 DScribr 27-Sep-16 03:34
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 837 R Avry Wilson 25-Sep-16 21:24
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 817 LonelyAngel 25-Sep-16 21:33
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 830 R Avry Wilson 26-Sep-16 01:17
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 890 cladking 26-Sep-16 02:03
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 819 Martin Stower 26-Sep-16 09:26
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 770 cladking 26-Sep-16 13:52
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 786 Martin Stower 30-Sep-16 00:06
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 801 cladking 30-Sep-16 01:33
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 804 LonelyAngel 26-Sep-16 14:21
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 632 cladking 26-Sep-16 15:04
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 768 LonelyAngel 26-Sep-16 13:48
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 760 Martin Stower 26-Sep-16 20:12
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 763 R Avry Wilson 26-Sep-16 21:36
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 701 cladking 26-Sep-16 21:43
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 736 Martin Stower 26-Sep-16 01:40
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 833 cladking 25-Sep-16 21:49
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 804 LonelyAngel 25-Sep-16 22:07
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 755 cladking 25-Sep-16 22:18
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 827 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 22:45
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 836 LonelyAngel 26-Sep-16 10:31
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 722 Origyptian 26-Sep-16 15:29
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 834 LonelyAngel 26-Sep-16 15:44
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 798 Martin Stower 27-Sep-16 13:13
Re: "The book is downright uninteresting" yet he couldn't wait to write lengthy hatchet job review 859 Martin Stower 26-Sep-16 18:11
Re: The New Inquisition 899 Thunderbird 26-Sep-16 20:35
Re: The New Inquisition 708 Martin Stower 26-Sep-16 20:43
Re: The New Inquisition 669 cladking 26-Sep-16 21:24
Re: The New Inquisition 754 Martin Stower 26-Sep-16 21:53
Re: The New Inquisition 784 cladking 26-Sep-16 23:27
Re: The New Inquisition 735 Thanos5150 26-Sep-16 23:31
Re: The New Inquisition 733 cladking 27-Sep-16 01:25
The old copy/paste trick....... 841 DScribr 28-Sep-16 00:28
Re: The Conspiracy 701 Thunderbird 27-Sep-16 00:58
Is Jason Colavito a credible expert witness? 1217 drrayeye 26-Sep-16 17:01
Re: Is Jason Colavito a credible expert witness? 1014 eyeofhorus33 26-Sep-16 19:54
Re: Is Jason Colavito a credible expert witness? 827 drrayeye 26-Sep-16 20:26
Re: Is Jason Colavito a credible expert witness? 756 M. J. Thomas 26-Sep-16 20:20
Re: Is Jason Colavito a credible expert witness? 770 cladking 26-Sep-16 21:31
Lover's premise 854 drrayeye 26-Sep-16 22:18
Re: Lover's premise 741 Martin Stower 26-Sep-16 22:20
Jason Colavito IS a credible expert witness! 851 DScribr 27-Sep-16 18:39
Re: Jason Colavito IS a credible expert witness! 974 Martin Stower 27-Sep-16 19:16
Re: Jason Colavito IS a credible expert witness! (I swear it!!!) 960 DScribr 28-Sep-16 00:21
Re: Is Jason Colavito a credible expert witness? 818 Barbelo 26-Sep-16 20:38
Re: Is Jason Colavito a credible expert witness? 771 Martin Stower 26-Sep-16 20:47
Oh Oh 857 drrayeye 26-Sep-16 22:20
Re: Oh Oh 697 Martin Stower 26-Sep-16 22:25
Re: Oh Oh 832 Barbelo 26-Sep-16 22:26
Re: Oh Oh 735 drrayeye 27-Sep-16 06:33
You're Not On The Same Page 802 Barbelo 27-Sep-16 10:19
You've got a lot to learn 815 drrayeye 29-Sep-16 05:36
Re: You've got a lot to learn 840 Barbelo 29-Sep-16 07:04
Re: You've got a lot to learn 743 Martin Stower 29-Sep-16 14:13
Re: You've got a lot to learn 773 DScribr 29-Sep-16 18:23
Re: You've got a lot to learn 688 Origyptian 29-Sep-16 14:58
Re: You've got a lot to learn 899 Martin Stower 29-Sep-16 15:16
Can anyone be a credible expert witness? 738 cladking 27-Sep-16 04:10
Re: Can anyone be a credible expert witness? 826 Thanos5150 27-Sep-16 06:02
Re: Can anyone be a credible expert witness? 745 Barbelo 27-Sep-16 10:23
Re: Can anyone be a credible expert witness? 796 cladking 27-Sep-16 15:14
Re: Can anyone be a credible expert witness? 740 Barbelo 27-Sep-16 21:11
Living in the dark ages. 721 cladking 27-Sep-16 14:00
Re: Living in the dark ages. 780 Origyptian 27-Sep-16 14:35
Re: Living in the dark ages. 785 cladking 27-Sep-16 14:51
Re: Living in the dark ages. 775 Origyptian 27-Sep-16 15:33
Re: Living in the dark ages. 753 cladking 27-Sep-16 16:11
Re: Living in the dark ages. 736 Barbelo 27-Sep-16 21:16
Re: Living in the dark ages. 733 Origyptian 27-Sep-16 21:36
Re: Living in the dark ages. 697 Martin Stower 29-Sep-16 14:16
Re: Living in the dark ages. 772 Origyptian 29-Sep-16 14:31
Re: Living in the dark ages. 736 Martin Stower 29-Sep-16 15:33
Re: Living in the dark ages. 873 Thanos5150 27-Sep-16 16:54
Re: Living in the dark ages. 826 cladking 27-Sep-16 17:22
Re: Living in the dark ages. 738 Thanos5150 27-Sep-16 18:02
Re: Living in the dark ages. 741 cladking 27-Sep-16 18:14
Oooohh... touchy 924 LonelyAngel 05-Oct-16 19:03
Re: Oooohh... touchy 710 Martin Stower 05-Oct-16 19:24
Re: Oooohh... touchy 926 LonelyAngel 05-Oct-16 19:37
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Re: Oooohh... touchy 785 LonelyAngel 05-Oct-16 21:41
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Re: Oooohh... touchy 666 Martin Stower 07-Oct-16 20:58
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Re: Oooohh... touchy 777 LonelyAngel 08-Oct-16 10:29
Re: Oooohh... touchy 693 Morten 08-Oct-16 15:36
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Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz 621 LonelyAngel 08-Oct-16 20:14
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Philosophy: Schrödinger's cat 634 LonelyAngel 08-Oct-16 21:03
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The Three Stooges 829 LonelyAngel 11-Oct-16 19:52
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Racing for the Cliffs. 779 cladking 06-Oct-16 14:10
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