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In attempt to wade through all the deflection, pedantics, hyperbole, and BS, I'll try to summarize my points once again, as follows:

"Unbreached":
    All verbal descriptions and photos of those galleries indicate galleries that were openly accessible when they were discovered. This supports the notion that those galleries were "breached" and in fact may never have been sealed before or after last use by the Dynastics or any other culture afterward. As I mentioned in a prior post, if I'm wrong and it turned out that Wilkinson, Bissey, Tallet, etc. did find sealed galleries but either didn't consider including, or deliberately chose to conceal, or simply ignored the importance of mentioning, those sealed galleries in their reporting, then I would consider that to be very irresponsible reporting of an important find. I simply choose to give Tallet, et al. more credit than that.

"Repurposed":
    Tallet's proposed provenance of el-Jarf contradicts Wilkinson, and some of the evidence presented by Tallet makes little sense to me as a "contemporaneous" paradigm but, rather, much more clearly supports adaption. One strong clue is the "narrowing block" and also the observation of a block placed in front of, but not actually blocking, the entrance to the gallery. Why go through the extra effort to excavate the wider entrance and then put in even more effort to make a block to narrow that entrance? In fact, there is a resemblance of post-construction narrowing of both the gallery opening at those sites in the northern Eastern Desert of Egypt close to the mouth of Wadi Araba, and the entrance to the Fort at Mons Claudianus, farther south in the same Eastern Desert of Egypt. These sites all show masonry narrowing the entrance and also a "threshold" block placed in the entrance path. While Peacock had no explanation for these features in the main entrance to the Fort, he makes it clear that such modifications were done late in the operation of the "Fort" and were performed under by the Roman Empire. Meanwhile, Wilkinson actually proposed that the galleries at the harbor sites were of Greco-Roman origin. If those sites were originally constructed by the early Dynastics but modified by the Romans for their own use, this is another indication of adaption. Other evidence of repurposing is the presence of "burnt shards" of pottery. Why would anyone leave burnt pottery lying around in an active pharaonic pottery production facility? Also, there is evidence of charred boat wood in one of the galleries. It's not clear why anyone running an active pharaonic harbor and storage facility would burn what appears to be a disassembled ("royal"?) boat inside a "short-term storage" cave. In addition, the galleries in el-Jarf are a full 5km from the harbor. Under what conditions does it make sense to have an ancient harbor's "short-term storage" facility located 5km from the harbor, especially considering that the OK had no wheeled vehicles? In fact, why would an active harbor operation need to hew a short-term storage facility into solid bedrock at all, let alone so far from the harbor? And let's not forget the "levels of occupation" observed by Tallet. What distinguishes these "levels" if they were all contemporary? It strikes me as quite a contortion to attempt to fit all of these findings into being contemporaneous with an active pharaonic harbor/storage operation. It simply seems clear to me that a provenance earlier than OK and subsequent adaption are distinct possibilities supported, and not contradicted, by the evidence.

"Pillaged":
    Since the evidence supports the possibility that those galleries were opened for untold centuries, or millennia, after last Dynastic use, and since the galleries were essentially found empty other than a few relatively useless artifacts including a few dozen broken pottery jars, some charred boat wood, a few small pieces of non-descript wood, a few short segments of rope, and tattered papyrii segments lost in the rubble, it's fair to consider that those galleries were pillaged long before they were rediscovered already breached in recent times, especially when you consider the possibility of Bedouin and other nomad occupation as well as the known occupation of the Roman Empire at various sites in the Eastern Desert. Those galleries were likely exposed to public access for many years before Wilkinson stumbled upon them, especially since they're located near the mouth of Wadi Araba (high traffic conduit between the Nile and Red Sea), and this supports the notion that anything that was left in those galleries that was of any use at all to such post-OK cultures was taken and used by those later cultures for their own purposes.


As a general comment, Tallet's frequent use of so many tentative "probably" conditionals to support not just "possibilities" but his definitive "claims" regarding the association of the galleries to the harbor or that el-Jarf was in any way related to the original construction of G1 is disturbing, at least to me. Here is how I'm interpreting his approach to drawing conclusions:

    "If" the hieratic paint marks on those broken shards of pottery found within one of the galleries reflect an OK provenance for the hewing of those galleries, and,

    "If" Merrer is talking about large multi-ton blocks of limestone, and,

    "if" the work force was large enough to manage such large blocks, and,

    "if" the boats that accessed the harbor actually carried cargo that eventually went to Giza",

    then el-Jarf was used as part of the project to build G1 (he states it definitively rather than "probably" or even "possibly".

But this is a flawed application of statistical principles. First of all, "probably" generally means "a greater than 50% chance of it being true". What is Tallet's rationale for making such an assumption in statistical probability? There seems to be a recurrent notion in Egyptology that when several pieces of dependent evidence contribute to the same conclusion, then the various probabilities accumulate to increase the validity of the claim. However, just the opposite is true. For example, if there actually was a way to determine that every "if" I mentioned above has a full 70% chance of being true, then the real "probability" that the conclusion is true based on the probability of those 4 dependent "ifs" is 70% to the 4th power, or only 24%. While 24% still means it's possible, it's certainly not "probable", let alone a "factual". If anything, 24% means it's unlikely. In any case, it's not clear how Tallet can be so definitive in his claim about el-Jarf and the construction of G1.

Meanwhile, no explanation has been offered by any investigator regarding how those painted glyphs on those limestone blocks sitting outside the el-Jarf galleries could still be so legible after being exposed to the weather and sun for over 4 millennia when similar paint marks were observed to fade to "almost illegible" after only 25 years of being exposed to the weather when removed from protection in G1's first southern boat pit even though those paint marks were immediately coated with preservative and protected from the weather and sun by a layer of wooden boards.


I have no problem at all if anyone disagrees with any of the above assessment. This is simply my own perspective of the possibilities supported by the evidence. Corrections are certainly welcome.

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Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 4799 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 03:30
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 866 eyeofhorus33 04-Sep-16 06:28
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 796 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 19:18
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 842 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 08:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 845 DUNE 04-Sep-16 10:12
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 807 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 10:24
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 825 DUNE 04-Sep-16 10:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 734 DUNE 04-Sep-16 11:22
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 823 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 18:16
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 739 DUNE 04-Sep-16 18:23
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 759 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 18:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 766 cladking 04-Sep-16 21:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 654 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 21:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 781 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 06:09
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 703 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 16:24
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 783 Jon Ellison 05-Sep-16 17:14
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 671 cladking 05-Sep-16 22:10
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 798 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 11:26
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 824 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 17:03
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 612 Steve Clayton 04-Sep-16 18:25
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 786 Steve Clayton 04-Sep-16 18:55
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 716 cladking 04-Sep-16 20:21
Boats R Us 654 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:16
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 738 jamesglory 08-Sep-16 06:06
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 646 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 18:09
Re: Khufu's Boats used in their Pits 679 DScribr 09-Sep-16 18:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 751 jamesglory 16-Sep-16 05:45
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 747 jamesglory 26-Sep-16 13:22
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 633 cladking 26-Sep-16 14:17
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 605 Thanos5150 27-Sep-16 00:17
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 800 jamesglory 27-Sep-16 06:43
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 765 Thanos5150 27-Sep-16 17:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 626 DUNE 15-Oct-16 10:58
Khufu I/Block 20 546 Dr. Troglodyte 15-Oct-16 18:13
Re: Khufu I/Block 20 653 Thanos5150 15-Oct-16 21:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 655 Origyptian 18-Oct-16 00:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 634 DUNE 18-Oct-16 07:56
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 683 Thanos5150 18-Oct-16 16:50
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 562 DUNE 18-Oct-16 17:00
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 722 Thanos5150 18-Oct-16 17:36
Re: Khufu's Boats-to be built by others..... 733 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:07
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 793 cladking 04-Sep-16 20:26
Re: Water erosion 865 Thunderbird 05-Sep-16 14:36
Re: Water erosion 667 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 16:18
Re: Water erosion 792 Steve Clayton 05-Sep-16 16:50
Re: Water erosion 615 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 17:46
Re: Water erosion 745 Steve Clayton 05-Sep-16 22:12
Re: Water erosion 652 Steve Clayton 05-Sep-16 16:58
Re: Water erosion 640 eyeofhorus33 05-Sep-16 17:29
Re: Water erosion 702 Merrell 05-Sep-16 17:46
Re:Control the conversation.....tantrum. ... 732 Thunderbird 05-Sep-16 20:14
Re: Re:Control the conversation.....tantrum. ... 732 Martin Stower 05-Sep-16 20:55
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 708 Thunderbird 06-Sep-16 04:57
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 723 Martin Stower 06-Sep-16 21:06
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 635 cladking 06-Sep-16 21:51
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 748 Jon Ellison 06-Sep-16 21:56
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 724 Martin Stower 06-Sep-16 23:21
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 651 cladking 07-Sep-16 00:11
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 539 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:23
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 665 cladking 07-Sep-16 19:07
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 661 DScribr 08-Sep-16 01:17
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 721 cladking 08-Sep-16 13:39
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 653 Origyptian 08-Sep-16 23:56
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 590 cladking 09-Sep-16 00:52
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 608 Martin Stower 06-Sep-16 23:13
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 845 cladking 07-Sep-16 00:17
Stream of Consciousness 710 eyeofhorus33 06-Sep-16 19:33
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 690 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 12:55
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 647 cladking 06-Sep-16 14:03
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 649 Steve Clayton 06-Sep-16 17:28
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 624 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 18:08
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 629 Steve Clayton 07-Sep-16 12:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 647 cladking 07-Sep-16 14:19
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 672 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 18:23
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 663 Jon Ellison 06-Sep-16 18:34
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 709 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 19:16
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 661 Jon Ellison 06-Sep-16 23:38
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 920 Thanos5150 06-Sep-16 23:41
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 655 Steve Clayton 07-Sep-16 14:17
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 627 cladking 07-Sep-16 14:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 679 Steve Clayton 07-Sep-16 15:46
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 693 cladking 07-Sep-16 16:24
Galleries :: Graves 760 Dr. Troglodyte 08-Sep-16 23:33
Re: Galleries :: Graves 703 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 00:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 877 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 03:32
Re: Galleries :: Graves 669 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:21
Re: Galleries :: Graves 611 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 16:52
Re: Galleries :: Graves 799 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 19:00
Re: Galleries :: Graves 671 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 21:54
Re: Galleries :: Graves 645 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 23:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 676 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 23:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 650 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 05:50
Re: Galleries :: Graves 714 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 06:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 683 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 17:29
Re: Galleries :: Graves 817 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 21:06
Re: Galleries :: Graves 679 cladking 10-Sep-16 21:30
Re: Galleries :: Graves 770 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 15:06
Re: Galleries :: Graves 714 Thunderbird 12-Sep-16 15:36
Re: Galleries :: Graves 629 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 01:41
Re: Galleries :: Graves 681 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 02:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 700 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 04:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 814 Morten 13-Sep-16 09:05
Thanks for the link 644 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:04
Re: Galleries :: Graves 711 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 612 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 17:03
Boat Graves-one answer. 687 DScribr 13-Sep-16 17:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 590 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 02:57
Re: Galleries :: Graves 656 cladking 09-Sep-16 03:25
Close enough 690 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:02
Re: Close enough 574 cladking 09-Sep-16 21:03
Re: Close enough 684 DScribr 10-Sep-16 00:33
Re: Close enough 690 cladking 10-Sep-16 01:09
Re: Galleries :: Graves 641 Dr. Troglodyte 09-Sep-16 15:43
Re: Galleries :: Graves 624 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 18:02
It wasn't 686 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:06
Re: It wasn't 729 Origyptian 08-Sep-16 23:45
At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 656 DScribr 09-Sep-16 01:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 665 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 12:55
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists!!! 671 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 630 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:06
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 778 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 14:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 634 cladking 09-Sep-16 14:35
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 820 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 19:22
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 751 Jon Ellison 09-Sep-16 20:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 712 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 21:41
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 704 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 22:17
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 679 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 16:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 677 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 21:39
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 744 DScribr 11-Sep-16 02:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 617 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 03:27
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 1011 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 01:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 653 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 03:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 750 cladking 12-Sep-16 03:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 696 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 17:48
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 662 Martin Stower 12-Sep-16 20:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 649 cladking 12-Sep-16 20:49
Re: Shred of evidence : ) 677 Thunderbird 12-Sep-16 21:19
Re: Shred of evidence : ) 653 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 00:00
Sphinx 669 DScribr 13-Sep-16 00:43
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 695 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 21:04
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 635 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 00:21
Mainstream evidence still exists.... 566 DScribr 13-Sep-16 00:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 624 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 04:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 630 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 04:31
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 606 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 13:27
Ergo, Adaption! 527 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:33
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 581 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 15:52
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 677 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 16:47
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 580 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 16:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 817 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 16:58
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 571 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 18:15
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 644 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 600 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 704 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 00:38
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 586 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 02:24
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 549 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 16:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 613 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 16:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 640 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 621 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 20:19
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 595 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 628 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 628 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 02:12
Overruled!!! 528 DScribr 14-Sep-16 03:12
Re: Overruled!!! 679 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:02
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 582 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 12:19
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 605 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 17:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 639 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:17
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 603 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:22
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 616 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:39
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 669 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:51
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 666 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 00:55
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 618 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:30
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 529 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:37
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 651 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 575 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 23:51
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 649 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 00:56
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 561 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 01:33
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 640 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 02:34
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 609 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 12:00
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 701 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:30
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 616 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 15:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 698 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 18:39
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 618 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 22:36
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 620 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 23:17
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 639 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 23:34
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 539 Origyptian 16-Sep-16 20:37
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 712 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 23:52
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 645 DScribr 17-Sep-16 00:45
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 713 Jon Ellison 17-Sep-16 07:45
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 653 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 15:56
A polite and academic style of writing. 588 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:35
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 624 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 15:25
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 651 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 16:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 595 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 17:59
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 633 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 20:57
MS and DScribr are really the same person!!!.......Film @ 11. 644 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 638 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 22:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 574 Martin Stower 18-Sep-16 00:27
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 643 Thanos5150 18-Sep-16 00:52
Misleading still exists... 616 DScribr 18-Sep-16 01:26
Re: Misleading still exists... 596 randompHactor 18-Sep-16 02:45
Re: Misleading still exists... 618 Barbelo 18-Sep-16 11:32
Re: Misleading still exists... 641 DScribr 18-Sep-16 13:55
Re: Misleading still exists... 597 randompHactor 18-Sep-16 15:16
Re: Misleading still exists... 498 DScribr 18-Sep-16 19:30
Re: Misleading still exists... 605 Origyptian 18-Sep-16 20:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 596 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 18:45
Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 562 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:40
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 636 Origyptian 18-Sep-16 20:53
Re: STILL Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 760 DScribr 19-Sep-16 00:41
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 661 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 17:50
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 495 cladking 19-Sep-16 18:06
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 528 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:06
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 776 cladking 20-Sep-16 14:29
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 627 Jon Ellison 20-Sep-16 16:46
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 686 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:34
They were sealed during the late 4th D. 668 DScribr 20-Sep-16 17:23
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 555 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:44
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 709 Jon Ellison 24-Sep-16 20:03
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 613 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 03:52
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 609 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:29
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 660 Thanos5150 17-Sep-16 18:01
Mainstream evidence exists... 647 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:49
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 626 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 21:56
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 612 Thanos5150 17-Sep-16 23:53
Summary perspective of el-Jarf 654 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 20:30
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 651 Martin Stower 19-Sep-16 22:55
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 629 Thanos5150 19-Sep-16 23:40
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 640 Corpuscles 20-Sep-16 00:43
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 627 Thanos5150 20-Sep-16 02:05
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 615 Corpuscles 20-Sep-16 23:50
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 627 cladking 21-Sep-16 00:38
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 601 Origyptian 20-Sep-16 05:09
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 677 Martin Stower 20-Sep-16 10:10
'The Truth' 619 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:20
Re: 'The Truth' 535 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:31
Re: 'The Truth' 651 Martin Stower 24-Sep-16 00:41
Re: 'The Truth' 650 Origyptian 24-Sep-16 17:11
Re: 'The Truth' 681 Martin Stower 24-Sep-16 19:21
Re: 'The Truth' 650 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 04:13
Re: 'The Truth' 755 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 13:30
Re: 'The Truth' 603 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 15:45
Re: 'The Truth' 622 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 18:15
Re: 'The Truth' 576 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 18:35
Re: 'The Truth' 587 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 19:09
Tallet Misrepresented by Ori.......... 600 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:18
Perspective vs Fact 590 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:12
Re: Perspective vs Fact 599 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:28
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 688 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 23:20
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 622 DScribr 16-Sep-16 00:40
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 596 Origyptian 16-Sep-16 01:53
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 607 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 14:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists...whether read-or not! 621 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:17
Galleries Correction 605 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:15
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 536 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 14:24
Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 646 DScribr 14-Sep-16 03:25
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 633 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 15:15
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 638 DScribr 14-Sep-16 16:04
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 613 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 21:44
Fringe-in-denial.... .... 635 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:34
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 532 cladking 15-Sep-16 18:35
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 516 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 19:40
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 595 cladking 15-Sep-16 19:56
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 583 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 20:53
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 601 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 22:10
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 661 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:06
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 576 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 09:17
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 565 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:37
Life Unfair! 621 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:36
Wadi el Jarf evidence exists 574 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:14
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists...or does it?!? 746 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:09
Re: It wasn't 649 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 12:37
Got Pics? 577 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:17
Re: It wasn't 1081 M. J. Thomas 09-Sep-16 13:09
Re: It wasn't 625 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:26
Re: It wasn't 621 eyeofhorus33 09-Sep-16 15:54
Re: It wasn't 627 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 15:56
Re: Saqqara 662 Thunderbird 09-Sep-16 17:01
Re: Saqqara 659 cladking 09-Sep-16 17:18
Re: Djedefre. ...your Fired ! 614 Thunderbird 10-Sep-16 03:38
Re: It wasn't 573 Steve Clayton 10-Sep-16 01:08
Re: It wasn't 683 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 17:02
Re: It wasn't 770 Martin Stower 10-Sep-16 20:49
Re: It wasn't 702 Martin Stower 10-Sep-16 21:33
Re: It wasn't 613 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 00:53
Re: It wasn't 590 Martin Stower 12-Sep-16 20:43
Re: It wasn't 645 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 02:37
Re: It wasn't 659 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 14:57
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 625 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 16:20
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 619 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 16:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 625 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 17:18
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 567 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 18:00
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 520 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 17:30
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 583 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 18:11
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 624 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 22:12
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 603 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 23:08
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 607 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 23:26
Lifting IS Required. 663 DScribr 14-Sep-16 12:35
Re: Lifting IS Required. 528 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 16:16
Re: Lifting IS Required. 657 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 16:43
Re: Lifting IS Required. 572 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 16:51
Re: Lifting IS Required. 655 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 18:16
Re: Lifting IS Required. 635 M. J. Thomas 14-Sep-16 18:35
Re: Lifting IS Required. 590 randompHactor 14-Sep-16 19:28
Re: Lifting IS Required. 602 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 20:01
Re: Lifting IS Required. 645 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 19:03
Re: Lifting IS Required. 942 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 20:02
Re: Lifting IS Required. 630 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 20:13
Re: Lifting IS Required. 688 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 21:58
Re: Lifting IS Required. 567 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:18
Re: Lifting IS Required. 546 Steve Clayton 15-Sep-16 01:05
Re: Lifting IS Required. 790 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 20:38
Re: Lifting IS Required. 698 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 22:39
Re: Lifting IS Required. 441 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:18
Re: Lifting IS Required. 577 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 23:32
Re: Lifting IS Required. 587 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:55
Re: Lifting IS Required. 630 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 09:09
Re: Lifting IS Required. 612 Steve Clayton 14-Sep-16 19:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 566 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 17:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 543 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 17:38
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 554 Steve Clayton 16-Sep-16 12:38
The Pharaoh's House 604 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:14
Water 480 D-Archer 21-Sep-16 11:28
Re: Water 575 cladking 21-Sep-16 13:37
Saw pit? 624 Apap 22-Sep-16 00:13
Great idea. 497 cladking 22-Sep-16 02:00
Re: Great idea. 615 Apap 22-Sep-16 18:22
Re: Great idea. 641 cladking 22-Sep-16 19:13
Re: Saw pit? 680 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:52


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