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In attempt to wade through all the deflection, pedantics, hyperbole, and BS, I'll try to summarize my points once again, as follows:

"Unbreached":
    All verbal descriptions and photos of those galleries indicate galleries that were openly accessible when they were discovered. This supports the notion that those galleries were "breached" and in fact may never have been sealed before or after last use by the Dynastics or any other culture afterward. As I mentioned in a prior post, if I'm wrong and it turned out that Wilkinson, Bissey, Tallet, etc. did find sealed galleries but either didn't consider including, or deliberately chose to conceal, or simply ignored the importance of mentioning, those sealed galleries in their reporting, then I would consider that to be very irresponsible reporting of an important find. I simply choose to give Tallet, et al. more credit than that.

"Repurposed":
    Tallet's proposed provenance of el-Jarf contradicts Wilkinson, and some of the evidence presented by Tallet makes little sense to me as a "contemporaneous" paradigm but, rather, much more clearly supports adaption. One strong clue is the "narrowing block" and also the observation of a block placed in front of, but not actually blocking, the entrance to the gallery. Why go through the extra effort to excavate the wider entrance and then put in even more effort to make a block to narrow that entrance? In fact, there is a resemblance of post-construction narrowing of both the gallery opening at those sites in the northern Eastern Desert of Egypt close to the mouth of Wadi Araba, and the entrance to the Fort at Mons Claudianus, farther south in the same Eastern Desert of Egypt. These sites all show masonry narrowing the entrance and also a "threshold" block placed in the entrance path. While Peacock had no explanation for these features in the main entrance to the Fort, he makes it clear that such modifications were done late in the operation of the "Fort" and were performed under by the Roman Empire. Meanwhile, Wilkinson actually proposed that the galleries at the harbor sites were of Greco-Roman origin. If those sites were originally constructed by the early Dynastics but modified by the Romans for their own use, this is another indication of adaption. Other evidence of repurposing is the presence of "burnt shards" of pottery. Why would anyone leave burnt pottery lying around in an active pharaonic pottery production facility? Also, there is evidence of charred boat wood in one of the galleries. It's not clear why anyone running an active pharaonic harbor and storage facility would burn what appears to be a disassembled ("royal"?) boat inside a "short-term storage" cave. In addition, the galleries in el-Jarf are a full 5km from the harbor. Under what conditions does it make sense to have an ancient harbor's "short-term storage" facility located 5km from the harbor, especially considering that the OK had no wheeled vehicles? In fact, why would an active harbor operation need to hew a short-term storage facility into solid bedrock at all, let alone so far from the harbor? And let's not forget the "levels of occupation" observed by Tallet. What distinguishes these "levels" if they were all contemporary? It strikes me as quite a contortion to attempt to fit all of these findings into being contemporaneous with an active pharaonic harbor/storage operation. It simply seems clear to me that a provenance earlier than OK and subsequent adaption are distinct possibilities supported, and not contradicted, by the evidence.

"Pillaged":
    Since the evidence supports the possibility that those galleries were opened for untold centuries, or millennia, after last Dynastic use, and since the galleries were essentially found empty other than a few relatively useless artifacts including a few dozen broken pottery jars, some charred boat wood, a few small pieces of non-descript wood, a few short segments of rope, and tattered papyrii segments lost in the rubble, it's fair to consider that those galleries were pillaged long before they were rediscovered already breached in recent times, especially when you consider the possibility of Bedouin and other nomad occupation as well as the known occupation of the Roman Empire at various sites in the Eastern Desert. Those galleries were likely exposed to public access for many years before Wilkinson stumbled upon them, especially since they're located near the mouth of Wadi Araba (high traffic conduit between the Nile and Red Sea), and this supports the notion that anything that was left in those galleries that was of any use at all to such post-OK cultures was taken and used by those later cultures for their own purposes.


As a general comment, Tallet's frequent use of so many tentative "probably" conditionals to support not just "possibilities" but his definitive "claims" regarding the association of the galleries to the harbor or that el-Jarf was in any way related to the original construction of G1 is disturbing, at least to me. Here is how I'm interpreting his approach to drawing conclusions:

    "If" the hieratic paint marks on those broken shards of pottery found within one of the galleries reflect an OK provenance for the hewing of those galleries, and,

    "If" Merrer is talking about large multi-ton blocks of limestone, and,

    "if" the work force was large enough to manage such large blocks, and,

    "if" the boats that accessed the harbor actually carried cargo that eventually went to Giza",

    then el-Jarf was used as part of the project to build G1 (he states it definitively rather than "probably" or even "possibly".

But this is a flawed application of statistical principles. First of all, "probably" generally means "a greater than 50% chance of it being true". What is Tallet's rationale for making such an assumption in statistical probability? There seems to be a recurrent notion in Egyptology that when several pieces of dependent evidence contribute to the same conclusion, then the various probabilities accumulate to increase the validity of the claim. However, just the opposite is true. For example, if there actually was a way to determine that every "if" I mentioned above has a full 70% chance of being true, then the real "probability" that the conclusion is true based on the probability of those 4 dependent "ifs" is 70% to the 4th power, or only 24%. While 24% still means it's possible, it's certainly not "probable", let alone a "factual". If anything, 24% means it's unlikely. In any case, it's not clear how Tallet can be so definitive in his claim about el-Jarf and the construction of G1.

Meanwhile, no explanation has been offered by any investigator regarding how those painted glyphs on those limestone blocks sitting outside the el-Jarf galleries could still be so legible after being exposed to the weather and sun for over 4 millennia when similar paint marks were observed to fade to "almost illegible" after only 25 years of being exposed to the weather when removed from protection in G1's first southern boat pit even though those paint marks were immediately coated with preservative and protected from the weather and sun by a layer of wooden boards.


I have no problem at all if anyone disagrees with any of the above assessment. This is simply my own perspective of the possibilities supported by the evidence. Corrections are certainly welcome.

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Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 4732 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 03:30
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 853 eyeofhorus33 04-Sep-16 06:28
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 785 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 19:18
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 833 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 08:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 835 DUNE 04-Sep-16 10:12
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 798 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 10:24
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 817 DUNE 04-Sep-16 10:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 726 DUNE 04-Sep-16 11:22
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 815 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 18:16
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 728 DUNE 04-Sep-16 18:23
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 748 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 18:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 757 cladking 04-Sep-16 21:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 644 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 21:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 771 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 06:09
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 690 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 16:24
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 774 Jon Ellison 05-Sep-16 17:14
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 655 cladking 05-Sep-16 22:10
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 786 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 11:26
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 814 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 17:03
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 602 Steve Clayton 04-Sep-16 18:25
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 774 Steve Clayton 04-Sep-16 18:55
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 707 cladking 04-Sep-16 20:21
Boats R Us 640 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:16
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 726 jamesglory 08-Sep-16 06:06
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 636 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 18:09
Re: Khufu's Boats used in their Pits 669 DScribr 09-Sep-16 18:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 739 jamesglory 16-Sep-16 05:45
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 734 jamesglory 26-Sep-16 13:22
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 623 cladking 26-Sep-16 14:17
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 593 Thanos5150 27-Sep-16 00:17
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 788 jamesglory 27-Sep-16 06:43
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 752 Thanos5150 27-Sep-16 17:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 615 DUNE 15-Oct-16 10:58
Khufu I/Block 20 535 Dr. Troglodyte 15-Oct-16 18:13
Re: Khufu I/Block 20 645 Thanos5150 15-Oct-16 21:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 644 Origyptian 18-Oct-16 00:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 624 DUNE 18-Oct-16 07:56
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 669 Thanos5150 18-Oct-16 16:50
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 551 DUNE 18-Oct-16 17:00
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 711 Thanos5150 18-Oct-16 17:36
Re: Khufu's Boats-to be built by others..... 724 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:07
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 778 cladking 04-Sep-16 20:26
Re: Water erosion 845 Thunderbird 05-Sep-16 14:36
Re: Water erosion 655 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 16:18
Re: Water erosion 782 Steve Clayton 05-Sep-16 16:50
Re: Water erosion 597 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 17:46
Re: Water erosion 729 Steve Clayton 05-Sep-16 22:12
Re: Water erosion 644 Steve Clayton 05-Sep-16 16:58
Re: Water erosion 629 eyeofhorus33 05-Sep-16 17:29
Re: Water erosion 692 Merrell 05-Sep-16 17:46
Re:Control the conversation.....tantrum. ... 720 Thunderbird 05-Sep-16 20:14
Re: Re:Control the conversation.....tantrum. ... 723 Martin Stower 05-Sep-16 20:55
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 698 Thunderbird 06-Sep-16 04:57
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 713 Martin Stower 06-Sep-16 21:06
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 626 cladking 06-Sep-16 21:51
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 736 Jon Ellison 06-Sep-16 21:56
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 712 Martin Stower 06-Sep-16 23:21
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 641 cladking 07-Sep-16 00:11
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 530 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:23
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 655 cladking 07-Sep-16 19:07
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 652 DScribr 08-Sep-16 01:17
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 713 cladking 08-Sep-16 13:39
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 644 Origyptian 08-Sep-16 23:56
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 581 cladking 09-Sep-16 00:52
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 599 Martin Stower 06-Sep-16 23:13
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 834 cladking 07-Sep-16 00:17
Stream of Consciousness 702 eyeofhorus33 06-Sep-16 19:33
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 678 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 12:55
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 638 cladking 06-Sep-16 14:03
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 640 Steve Clayton 06-Sep-16 17:28
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 613 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 18:08
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 618 Steve Clayton 07-Sep-16 12:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 637 cladking 07-Sep-16 14:19
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 661 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 18:23
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 654 Jon Ellison 06-Sep-16 18:34
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 684 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 19:16
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 650 Jon Ellison 06-Sep-16 23:38
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 910 Thanos5150 06-Sep-16 23:41
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 646 Steve Clayton 07-Sep-16 14:17
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 618 cladking 07-Sep-16 14:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 670 Steve Clayton 07-Sep-16 15:46
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 681 cladking 07-Sep-16 16:24
Galleries :: Graves 750 Dr. Troglodyte 08-Sep-16 23:33
Re: Galleries :: Graves 693 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 00:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 868 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 03:32
Re: Galleries :: Graves 660 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:21
Re: Galleries :: Graves 602 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 16:52
Re: Galleries :: Graves 790 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 19:00
Re: Galleries :: Graves 660 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 21:54
Re: Galleries :: Graves 635 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 23:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 666 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 23:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 641 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 05:50
Re: Galleries :: Graves 706 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 06:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 675 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 17:29
Re: Galleries :: Graves 807 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 21:06
Re: Galleries :: Graves 666 cladking 10-Sep-16 21:30
Re: Galleries :: Graves 759 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 15:06
Re: Galleries :: Graves 703 Thunderbird 12-Sep-16 15:36
Re: Galleries :: Graves 613 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 01:41
Re: Galleries :: Graves 672 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 02:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 691 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 04:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 803 Morten 13-Sep-16 09:05
Thanks for the link 635 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:04
Re: Galleries :: Graves 699 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 602 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 17:03
Boat Graves-one answer. 679 DScribr 13-Sep-16 17:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 581 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 02:57
Re: Galleries :: Graves 646 cladking 09-Sep-16 03:25
Close enough 679 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:02
Re: Close enough 562 cladking 09-Sep-16 21:03
Re: Close enough 676 DScribr 10-Sep-16 00:33
Re: Close enough 677 cladking 10-Sep-16 01:09
Re: Galleries :: Graves 632 Dr. Troglodyte 09-Sep-16 15:43
Re: Galleries :: Graves 615 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 18:02
It wasn't 677 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:06
Re: It wasn't 720 Origyptian 08-Sep-16 23:45
At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 645 DScribr 09-Sep-16 01:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 657 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 12:55
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists!!! 661 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 621 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:06
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 720 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 14:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 626 cladking 09-Sep-16 14:35
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 779 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 19:22
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 717 Jon Ellison 09-Sep-16 20:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 702 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 21:41
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 693 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 22:17
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 669 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 16:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 668 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 21:39
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 733 DScribr 11-Sep-16 02:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 607 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 03:27
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 953 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 01:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 641 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 03:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 716 cladking 12-Sep-16 03:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 683 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 17:48
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 652 Martin Stower 12-Sep-16 20:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 639 cladking 12-Sep-16 20:49
Re: Shred of evidence : ) 666 Thunderbird 12-Sep-16 21:19
Re: Shred of evidence : ) 646 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 00:00
Sphinx 661 DScribr 13-Sep-16 00:43
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 682 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 21:04
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 624 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 00:21
Mainstream evidence still exists.... 558 DScribr 13-Sep-16 00:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 614 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 04:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 621 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 04:31
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 597 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 13:27
Ergo, Adaption! 512 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:33
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 572 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 15:52
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 668 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 16:47
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 572 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 16:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 769 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 16:58
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 561 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 18:15
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 637 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 588 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 694 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 00:38
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 576 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 02:24
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 538 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 16:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 605 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 16:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 631 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 614 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 20:19
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 585 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 620 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 614 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 02:12
Overruled!!! 517 DScribr 14-Sep-16 03:12
Re: Overruled!!! 648 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:02
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 573 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 12:19
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 594 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 17:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 627 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:17
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 593 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:22
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 607 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:39
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 657 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:51
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 649 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 00:55
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 607 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:30
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 519 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:37
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 641 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 565 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 23:51
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 639 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 00:56
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 548 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 01:33
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 629 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 02:34
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 600 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 12:00
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 644 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:30
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 606 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 15:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 655 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 18:39
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 608 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 22:36
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 611 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 23:17
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 630 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 23:34
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 529 Origyptian 16-Sep-16 20:37
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 701 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 23:52
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 634 DScribr 17-Sep-16 00:45
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 704 Jon Ellison 17-Sep-16 07:45
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 637 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 15:56
A polite and academic style of writing. 575 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:35
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 616 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 15:25
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 642 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 16:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 587 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 17:59
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 624 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 20:57
MS and DScribr are really the same person!!!.......Film @ 11. 632 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 625 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 22:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 566 Martin Stower 18-Sep-16 00:27
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 623 Thanos5150 18-Sep-16 00:52
Misleading still exists... 607 DScribr 18-Sep-16 01:26
Re: Misleading still exists... 584 randompHactor 18-Sep-16 02:45
Re: Misleading still exists... 608 Barbelo 18-Sep-16 11:32
Re: Misleading still exists... 630 DScribr 18-Sep-16 13:55
Re: Misleading still exists... 587 randompHactor 18-Sep-16 15:16
Re: Misleading still exists... 484 DScribr 18-Sep-16 19:30
Re: Misleading still exists... 597 Origyptian 18-Sep-16 20:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 581 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 18:45
Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 551 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:40
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 626 Origyptian 18-Sep-16 20:53
Re: STILL Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 752 DScribr 19-Sep-16 00:41
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 653 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 17:50
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 485 cladking 19-Sep-16 18:06
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 519 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:06
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 736 cladking 20-Sep-16 14:29
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 611 Jon Ellison 20-Sep-16 16:46
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 675 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:34
They were sealed during the late 4th D. 658 DScribr 20-Sep-16 17:23
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 543 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:44
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 699 Jon Ellison 24-Sep-16 20:03
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 600 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 03:52
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 599 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:29
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 649 Thanos5150 17-Sep-16 18:01
Mainstream evidence exists... 637 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:49
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 605 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 21:56
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 598 Thanos5150 17-Sep-16 23:53
Summary perspective of el-Jarf 643 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 20:30
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 632 Martin Stower 19-Sep-16 22:55
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 620 Thanos5150 19-Sep-16 23:40
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 632 Corpuscles 20-Sep-16 00:43
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 618 Thanos5150 20-Sep-16 02:05
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 605 Corpuscles 20-Sep-16 23:50
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 615 cladking 21-Sep-16 00:38
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 586 Origyptian 20-Sep-16 05:09
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 670 Martin Stower 20-Sep-16 10:10
'The Truth' 609 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:20
Re: 'The Truth' 527 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:31
Re: 'The Truth' 642 Martin Stower 24-Sep-16 00:41
Re: 'The Truth' 638 Origyptian 24-Sep-16 17:11
Re: 'The Truth' 673 Martin Stower 24-Sep-16 19:21
Re: 'The Truth' 642 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 04:13
Re: 'The Truth' 701 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 13:30
Re: 'The Truth' 596 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 15:45
Re: 'The Truth' 614 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 18:15
Re: 'The Truth' 567 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 18:35
Re: 'The Truth' 579 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 19:09
Tallet Misrepresented by Ori.......... 592 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:18
Perspective vs Fact 581 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:12
Re: Perspective vs Fact 591 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:28
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 679 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 23:20
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 611 DScribr 16-Sep-16 00:40
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 585 Origyptian 16-Sep-16 01:53
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 599 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 14:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists...whether read-or not! 607 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:17
Galleries Correction 594 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:15
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 525 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 14:24
Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 623 DScribr 14-Sep-16 03:25
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 622 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 15:15
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 627 DScribr 14-Sep-16 16:04
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 600 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 21:44
Fringe-in-denial.... .... 626 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:34
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 522 cladking 15-Sep-16 18:35
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 506 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 19:40
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 583 cladking 15-Sep-16 19:56
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 572 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 20:53
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 592 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 22:10
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 649 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:06
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 565 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 09:17
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 556 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:37
Life Unfair! 611 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:36
Wadi el Jarf evidence exists 564 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:14
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists...or does it?!? 700 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:09
Re: It wasn't 640 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 12:37
Got Pics? 569 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:17
Re: It wasn't 1070 M. J. Thomas 09-Sep-16 13:09
Re: It wasn't 616 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:26
Re: It wasn't 611 eyeofhorus33 09-Sep-16 15:54
Re: It wasn't 580 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 15:56
Re: Saqqara 654 Thunderbird 09-Sep-16 17:01
Re: Saqqara 652 cladking 09-Sep-16 17:18
Re: Djedefre. ...your Fired ! 603 Thunderbird 10-Sep-16 03:38
Re: It wasn't 566 Steve Clayton 10-Sep-16 01:08
Re: It wasn't 674 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 17:02
Re: It wasn't 762 Martin Stower 10-Sep-16 20:49
Re: It wasn't 687 Martin Stower 10-Sep-16 21:33
Re: It wasn't 605 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 00:53
Re: It wasn't 581 Martin Stower 12-Sep-16 20:43
Re: It wasn't 638 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 02:37
Re: It wasn't 650 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 14:57
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 617 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 16:20
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 608 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 16:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 617 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 17:18
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 558 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 18:00
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 513 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 17:30
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 574 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 18:11
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 612 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 22:12
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 593 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 23:08
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 594 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 23:26
Lifting IS Required. 652 DScribr 14-Sep-16 12:35
Re: Lifting IS Required. 515 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 16:16
Re: Lifting IS Required. 647 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 16:43
Re: Lifting IS Required. 559 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 16:51
Re: Lifting IS Required. 646 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 18:16
Re: Lifting IS Required. 598 M. J. Thomas 14-Sep-16 18:35
Re: Lifting IS Required. 580 randompHactor 14-Sep-16 19:28
Re: Lifting IS Required. 591 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 20:01
Re: Lifting IS Required. 635 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 19:03
Re: Lifting IS Required. 830 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 20:02
Re: Lifting IS Required. 593 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 20:13
Re: Lifting IS Required. 675 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 21:58
Re: Lifting IS Required. 559 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:18
Re: Lifting IS Required. 531 Steve Clayton 15-Sep-16 01:05
Re: Lifting IS Required. 780 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 20:38
Re: Lifting IS Required. 687 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 22:39
Re: Lifting IS Required. 429 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:18
Re: Lifting IS Required. 569 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 23:32
Re: Lifting IS Required. 577 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:55
Re: Lifting IS Required. 620 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 09:09
Re: Lifting IS Required. 602 Steve Clayton 14-Sep-16 19:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 556 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 17:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 535 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 17:38
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 542 Steve Clayton 16-Sep-16 12:38
The Pharaoh's House 594 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:14
Water 472 D-Archer 21-Sep-16 11:28
Re: Water 567 cladking 21-Sep-16 13:37
Saw pit? 614 Apap 22-Sep-16 00:13
Great idea. 489 cladking 22-Sep-16 02:00
Re: Great idea. 605 Apap 22-Sep-16 18:22
Re: Great idea. 632 cladking 22-Sep-16 19:13
Re: Saw pit? 673 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:52


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