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In attempt to wade through all the deflection, pedantics, hyperbole, and BS, I'll try to summarize my points once again, as follows:

"Unbreached":
    All verbal descriptions and photos of those galleries indicate galleries that were openly accessible when they were discovered. This supports the notion that those galleries were "breached" and in fact may never have been sealed before or after last use by the Dynastics or any other culture afterward. As I mentioned in a prior post, if I'm wrong and it turned out that Wilkinson, Bissey, Tallet, etc. did find sealed galleries but either didn't consider including, or deliberately chose to conceal, or simply ignored the importance of mentioning, those sealed galleries in their reporting, then I would consider that to be very irresponsible reporting of an important find. I simply choose to give Tallet, et al. more credit than that.

"Repurposed":
    Tallet's proposed provenance of el-Jarf contradicts Wilkinson, and some of the evidence presented by Tallet makes little sense to me as a "contemporaneous" paradigm but, rather, much more clearly supports adaption. One strong clue is the "narrowing block" and also the observation of a block placed in front of, but not actually blocking, the entrance to the gallery. Why go through the extra effort to excavate the wider entrance and then put in even more effort to make a block to narrow that entrance? In fact, there is a resemblance of post-construction narrowing of both the gallery opening at those sites in the northern Eastern Desert of Egypt close to the mouth of Wadi Araba, and the entrance to the Fort at Mons Claudianus, farther south in the same Eastern Desert of Egypt. These sites all show masonry narrowing the entrance and also a "threshold" block placed in the entrance path. While Peacock had no explanation for these features in the main entrance to the Fort, he makes it clear that such modifications were done late in the operation of the "Fort" and were performed under by the Roman Empire. Meanwhile, Wilkinson actually proposed that the galleries at the harbor sites were of Greco-Roman origin. If those sites were originally constructed by the early Dynastics but modified by the Romans for their own use, this is another indication of adaption. Other evidence of repurposing is the presence of "burnt shards" of pottery. Why would anyone leave burnt pottery lying around in an active pharaonic pottery production facility? Also, there is evidence of charred boat wood in one of the galleries. It's not clear why anyone running an active pharaonic harbor and storage facility would burn what appears to be a disassembled ("royal"?) boat inside a "short-term storage" cave. In addition, the galleries in el-Jarf are a full 5km from the harbor. Under what conditions does it make sense to have an ancient harbor's "short-term storage" facility located 5km from the harbor, especially considering that the OK had no wheeled vehicles? In fact, why would an active harbor operation need to hew a short-term storage facility into solid bedrock at all, let alone so far from the harbor? And let's not forget the "levels of occupation" observed by Tallet. What distinguishes these "levels" if they were all contemporary? It strikes me as quite a contortion to attempt to fit all of these findings into being contemporaneous with an active pharaonic harbor/storage operation. It simply seems clear to me that a provenance earlier than OK and subsequent adaption are distinct possibilities supported, and not contradicted, by the evidence.

"Pillaged":
    Since the evidence supports the possibility that those galleries were opened for untold centuries, or millennia, after last Dynastic use, and since the galleries were essentially found empty other than a few relatively useless artifacts including a few dozen broken pottery jars, some charred boat wood, a few small pieces of non-descript wood, a few short segments of rope, and tattered papyrii segments lost in the rubble, it's fair to consider that those galleries were pillaged long before they were rediscovered already breached in recent times, especially when you consider the possibility of Bedouin and other nomad occupation as well as the known occupation of the Roman Empire at various sites in the Eastern Desert. Those galleries were likely exposed to public access for many years before Wilkinson stumbled upon them, especially since they're located near the mouth of Wadi Araba (high traffic conduit between the Nile and Red Sea), and this supports the notion that anything that was left in those galleries that was of any use at all to such post-OK cultures was taken and used by those later cultures for their own purposes.


As a general comment, Tallet's frequent use of so many tentative "probably" conditionals to support not just "possibilities" but his definitive "claims" regarding the association of the galleries to the harbor or that el-Jarf was in any way related to the original construction of G1 is disturbing, at least to me. Here is how I'm interpreting his approach to drawing conclusions:

    "If" the hieratic paint marks on those broken shards of pottery found within one of the galleries reflect an OK provenance for the hewing of those galleries, and,

    "If" Merrer is talking about large multi-ton blocks of limestone, and,

    "if" the work force was large enough to manage such large blocks, and,

    "if" the boats that accessed the harbor actually carried cargo that eventually went to Giza",

    then el-Jarf was used as part of the project to build G1 (he states it definitively rather than "probably" or even "possibly".

But this is a flawed application of statistical principles. First of all, "probably" generally means "a greater than 50% chance of it being true". What is Tallet's rationale for making such an assumption in statistical probability? There seems to be a recurrent notion in Egyptology that when several pieces of dependent evidence contribute to the same conclusion, then the various probabilities accumulate to increase the validity of the claim. However, just the opposite is true. For example, if there actually was a way to determine that every "if" I mentioned above has a full 70% chance of being true, then the real "probability" that the conclusion is true based on the probability of those 4 dependent "ifs" is 70% to the 4th power, or only 24%. While 24% still means it's possible, it's certainly not "probable", let alone a "factual". If anything, 24% means it's unlikely. In any case, it's not clear how Tallet can be so definitive in his claim about el-Jarf and the construction of G1.

Meanwhile, no explanation has been offered by any investigator regarding how those painted glyphs on those limestone blocks sitting outside the el-Jarf galleries could still be so legible after being exposed to the weather and sun for over 4 millennia when similar paint marks were observed to fade to "almost illegible" after only 25 years of being exposed to the weather when removed from protection in G1's first southern boat pit even though those paint marks were immediately coated with preservative and protected from the weather and sun by a layer of wooden boards.


I have no problem at all if anyone disagrees with any of the above assessment. This is simply my own perspective of the possibilities supported by the evidence. Corrections are certainly welcome.

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Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 4630 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 03:30
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 831 eyeofhorus33 04-Sep-16 06:28
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 761 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 19:18
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 812 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 08:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 812 DUNE 04-Sep-16 10:12
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 776 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 10:24
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 793 DUNE 04-Sep-16 10:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 704 DUNE 04-Sep-16 11:22
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 794 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 18:16
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 705 DUNE 04-Sep-16 18:23
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 726 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 18:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 734 cladking 04-Sep-16 21:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 621 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 21:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 750 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 06:09
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 666 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 16:24
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 751 Jon Ellison 05-Sep-16 17:14
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 633 cladking 05-Sep-16 22:10
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 764 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 11:26
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 790 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 17:03
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 578 Steve Clayton 04-Sep-16 18:25
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 750 Steve Clayton 04-Sep-16 18:55
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 685 cladking 04-Sep-16 20:21
Boats R Us 616 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:16
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 700 jamesglory 08-Sep-16 06:06
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 616 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 18:09
Re: Khufu's Boats used in their Pits 647 DScribr 09-Sep-16 18:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 713 jamesglory 16-Sep-16 05:45
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 708 jamesglory 26-Sep-16 13:22
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 599 cladking 26-Sep-16 14:17
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 568 Thanos5150 27-Sep-16 00:17
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 761 jamesglory 27-Sep-16 06:43
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 729 Thanos5150 27-Sep-16 17:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 595 DUNE 15-Oct-16 10:58
Khufu I/Block 20 511 Dr. Troglodyte 15-Oct-16 18:13
Re: Khufu I/Block 20 622 Thanos5150 15-Oct-16 21:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 622 Origyptian 18-Oct-16 00:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 604 DUNE 18-Oct-16 07:56
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 647 Thanos5150 18-Oct-16 16:50
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 531 DUNE 18-Oct-16 17:00
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 687 Thanos5150 18-Oct-16 17:36
Re: Khufu's Boats-to be built by others..... 701 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:07
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 755 cladking 04-Sep-16 20:26
Re: Water erosion 822 Thunderbird 05-Sep-16 14:36
Re: Water erosion 632 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 16:18
Re: Water erosion 757 Steve Clayton 05-Sep-16 16:50
Re: Water erosion 574 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 17:46
Re: Water erosion 709 Steve Clayton 05-Sep-16 22:12
Re: Water erosion 622 Steve Clayton 05-Sep-16 16:58
Re: Water erosion 607 eyeofhorus33 05-Sep-16 17:29
Re: Water erosion 670 Merrell 05-Sep-16 17:46
Re:Control the conversation.....tantrum. ... 699 Thunderbird 05-Sep-16 20:14
Re: Re:Control the conversation.....tantrum. ... 699 Martin Stower 05-Sep-16 20:55
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 674 Thunderbird 06-Sep-16 04:57
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 691 Martin Stower 06-Sep-16 21:06
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 603 cladking 06-Sep-16 21:51
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 714 Jon Ellison 06-Sep-16 21:56
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 689 Martin Stower 06-Sep-16 23:21
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 621 cladking 07-Sep-16 00:11
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 509 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:23
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 633 cladking 07-Sep-16 19:07
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 631 DScribr 08-Sep-16 01:17
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 671 cladking 08-Sep-16 13:39
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 621 Origyptian 08-Sep-16 23:56
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 558 cladking 09-Sep-16 00:52
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 576 Martin Stower 06-Sep-16 23:13
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 785 cladking 07-Sep-16 00:17
Stream of Consciousness 681 eyeofhorus33 06-Sep-16 19:33
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 654 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 12:55
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 615 cladking 06-Sep-16 14:03
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 619 Steve Clayton 06-Sep-16 17:28
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 590 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 18:08
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 595 Steve Clayton 07-Sep-16 12:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 616 cladking 07-Sep-16 14:19
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 640 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 18:23
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 631 Jon Ellison 06-Sep-16 18:34
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 642 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 19:16
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 628 Jon Ellison 06-Sep-16 23:38
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 884 Thanos5150 06-Sep-16 23:41
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 623 Steve Clayton 07-Sep-16 14:17
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 593 cladking 07-Sep-16 14:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 647 Steve Clayton 07-Sep-16 15:46
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 661 cladking 07-Sep-16 16:24
Galleries :: Graves 688 Dr. Troglodyte 08-Sep-16 23:33
Re: Galleries :: Graves 669 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 00:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 845 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 03:32
Re: Galleries :: Graves 637 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:21
Re: Galleries :: Graves 580 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 16:52
Re: Galleries :: Graves 767 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 19:00
Re: Galleries :: Graves 637 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 21:54
Re: Galleries :: Graves 613 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 23:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 644 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 23:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 617 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 05:50
Re: Galleries :: Graves 683 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 06:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 651 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 17:29
Re: Galleries :: Graves 779 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 21:06
Re: Galleries :: Graves 644 cladking 10-Sep-16 21:30
Re: Galleries :: Graves 736 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 15:06
Re: Galleries :: Graves 681 Thunderbird 12-Sep-16 15:36
Re: Galleries :: Graves 589 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 01:41
Re: Galleries :: Graves 650 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 02:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 668 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 04:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 780 Morten 13-Sep-16 09:05
Thanks for the link 612 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:04
Re: Galleries :: Graves 676 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 583 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 17:03
Boat Graves-one answer. 654 DScribr 13-Sep-16 17:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 558 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 02:57
Re: Galleries :: Graves 625 cladking 09-Sep-16 03:25
Close enough 655 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:02
Re: Close enough 541 cladking 09-Sep-16 21:03
Re: Close enough 653 DScribr 10-Sep-16 00:33
Re: Close enough 653 cladking 10-Sep-16 01:09
Re: Galleries :: Graves 611 Dr. Troglodyte 09-Sep-16 15:43
Re: Galleries :: Graves 592 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 18:02
It wasn't 655 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:06
Re: It wasn't 695 Origyptian 08-Sep-16 23:45
At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 621 DScribr 09-Sep-16 01:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 635 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 12:55
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists!!! 610 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 596 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:06
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 648 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 14:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 605 cladking 09-Sep-16 14:35
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 705 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 19:22
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 659 Jon Ellison 09-Sep-16 20:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 679 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 21:41
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 669 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 22:17
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 644 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 16:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 644 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 21:39
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 710 DScribr 11-Sep-16 02:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 584 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 03:27
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 852 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 01:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 617 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 03:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 664 cladking 12-Sep-16 03:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 655 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 17:48
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 631 Martin Stower 12-Sep-16 20:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 617 cladking 12-Sep-16 20:49
Re: Shred of evidence : ) 646 Thunderbird 12-Sep-16 21:19
Re: Shred of evidence : ) 624 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 00:00
Sphinx 635 DScribr 13-Sep-16 00:43
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 661 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 21:04
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 604 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 00:21
Mainstream evidence still exists.... 537 DScribr 13-Sep-16 00:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 592 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 04:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 601 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 04:31
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 576 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 13:27
Ergo, Adaption! 491 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:33
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 551 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 15:52
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 614 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 16:47
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 550 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 16:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 613 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 16:58
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 539 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 18:15
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 613 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 566 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 615 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 00:38
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 554 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 02:24
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 518 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 16:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 585 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 16:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 610 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 593 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 20:19
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 566 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 599 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 593 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 02:12
Overruled!!! 496 DScribr 14-Sep-16 03:12
Re: Overruled!!! 627 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:02
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 551 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 12:19
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 573 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 17:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 604 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:17
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 571 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:22
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 585 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:39
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 637 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:51
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 629 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 00:55
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 585 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:30
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 497 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:37
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 620 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 544 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 23:51
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 616 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 00:56
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 525 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 01:33
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 607 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 02:34
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 577 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 12:00
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 616 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:30
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 585 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 15:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 577 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 18:39
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 585 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 22:36
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 591 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 23:17
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 608 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 23:34
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 509 Origyptian 16-Sep-16 20:37
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 677 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 23:52
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 614 DScribr 17-Sep-16 00:45
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 684 Jon Ellison 17-Sep-16 07:45
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 587 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 15:56
A polite and academic style of writing. 555 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:35
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 594 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 15:25
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 621 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 16:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 565 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 17:59
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 603 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 20:57
MS and DScribr are really the same person!!!.......Film @ 11. 612 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 604 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 22:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 542 Martin Stower 18-Sep-16 00:27
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 596 Thanos5150 18-Sep-16 00:52
Misleading still exists... 584 DScribr 18-Sep-16 01:26
Re: Misleading still exists... 558 randompHactor 18-Sep-16 02:45
Re: Misleading still exists... 582 Barbelo 18-Sep-16 11:32
Re: Misleading still exists... 609 DScribr 18-Sep-16 13:55
Re: Misleading still exists... 565 randompHactor 18-Sep-16 15:16
Re: Misleading still exists... 462 DScribr 18-Sep-16 19:30
Re: Misleading still exists... 575 Origyptian 18-Sep-16 20:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 562 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 18:45
Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 531 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:40
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 605 Origyptian 18-Sep-16 20:53
Re: STILL Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 731 DScribr 19-Sep-16 00:41
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 623 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 17:50
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 466 cladking 19-Sep-16 18:06
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 498 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:06
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 667 cladking 20-Sep-16 14:29
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 590 Jon Ellison 20-Sep-16 16:46
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 653 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:34
They were sealed during the late 4th D. 635 DScribr 20-Sep-16 17:23
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 522 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:44
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 679 Jon Ellison 24-Sep-16 20:03
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 580 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 03:52
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 578 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:29
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 585 Thanos5150 17-Sep-16 18:01
Mainstream evidence exists... 617 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:49
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 585 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 21:56
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 576 Thanos5150 17-Sep-16 23:53
Summary perspective of el-Jarf 585 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 20:30
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 607 Martin Stower 19-Sep-16 22:55
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 599 Thanos5150 19-Sep-16 23:40
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 610 Corpuscles 20-Sep-16 00:43
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 598 Thanos5150 20-Sep-16 02:05
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 584 Corpuscles 20-Sep-16 23:50
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 594 cladking 21-Sep-16 00:38
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 565 Origyptian 20-Sep-16 05:09
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 644 Martin Stower 20-Sep-16 10:10
'The Truth' 587 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:20
Re: 'The Truth' 504 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:31
Re: 'The Truth' 620 Martin Stower 24-Sep-16 00:41
Re: 'The Truth' 616 Origyptian 24-Sep-16 17:11
Re: 'The Truth' 650 Martin Stower 24-Sep-16 19:21
Re: 'The Truth' 622 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 04:13
Re: 'The Truth' 631 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 13:30
Re: 'The Truth' 574 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 15:45
Re: 'The Truth' 581 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 18:15
Re: 'The Truth' 546 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 18:35
Re: 'The Truth' 556 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 19:09
Tallet Misrepresented by Ori.......... 570 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:18
Perspective vs Fact 560 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:12
Re: Perspective vs Fact 570 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:28
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 624 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 23:20
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 587 DScribr 16-Sep-16 00:40
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 564 Origyptian 16-Sep-16 01:53
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 578 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 14:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists...whether read-or not! 586 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:17
Galleries Correction 569 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:15
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 503 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 14:24
Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 549 DScribr 14-Sep-16 03:25
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 598 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 15:15
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 605 DScribr 14-Sep-16 16:04
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 577 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 21:44
Fringe-in-denial.... .... 605 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:34
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 501 cladking 15-Sep-16 18:35
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 484 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 19:40
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 562 cladking 15-Sep-16 19:56
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 550 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 20:53
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 569 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 22:10
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 629 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:06
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 545 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 09:17
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 535 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:37
Life Unfair! 590 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:36
Wadi el Jarf evidence exists 544 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:14
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists...or does it?!? 677 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:09
Re: It wasn't 619 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 12:37
Got Pics? 548 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:17
Re: It wasn't 958 M. J. Thomas 09-Sep-16 13:09
Re: It wasn't 593 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:26
Re: It wasn't 588 eyeofhorus33 09-Sep-16 15:54
Re: It wasn't 526 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 15:56
Re: Saqqara 632 Thunderbird 09-Sep-16 17:01
Re: Saqqara 631 cladking 09-Sep-16 17:18
Re: Djedefre. ...your Fired ! 583 Thunderbird 10-Sep-16 03:38
Re: It wasn't 546 Steve Clayton 10-Sep-16 01:08
Re: It wasn't 651 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 17:02
Re: It wasn't 736 Martin Stower 10-Sep-16 20:49
Re: It wasn't 663 Martin Stower 10-Sep-16 21:33
Re: It wasn't 580 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 00:53
Re: It wasn't 558 Martin Stower 12-Sep-16 20:43
Re: It wasn't 616 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 02:37
Re: It wasn't 584 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 14:57
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 597 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 16:20
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 587 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 16:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 596 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 17:18
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 535 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 18:00
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 491 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 17:30
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 550 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 18:11
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 591 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 22:12
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 571 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 23:08
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 560 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 23:26
Lifting IS Required. 632 DScribr 14-Sep-16 12:35
Re: Lifting IS Required. 494 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 16:16
Re: Lifting IS Required. 625 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 16:43
Re: Lifting IS Required. 540 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 16:51
Re: Lifting IS Required. 625 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 18:16
Re: Lifting IS Required. 568 M. J. Thomas 14-Sep-16 18:35
Re: Lifting IS Required. 561 randompHactor 14-Sep-16 19:28
Re: Lifting IS Required. 570 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 20:01
Re: Lifting IS Required. 613 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 19:03
Re: Lifting IS Required. 729 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 20:02
Re: Lifting IS Required. 572 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 20:13
Re: Lifting IS Required. 655 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 21:58
Re: Lifting IS Required. 536 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:18
Re: Lifting IS Required. 510 Steve Clayton 15-Sep-16 01:05
Re: Lifting IS Required. 753 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 20:38
Re: Lifting IS Required. 666 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 22:39
Re: Lifting IS Required. 409 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:18
Re: Lifting IS Required. 547 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 23:32
Re: Lifting IS Required. 556 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:55
Re: Lifting IS Required. 600 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 09:09
Re: Lifting IS Required. 580 Steve Clayton 14-Sep-16 19:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 537 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 17:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 515 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 17:38
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 523 Steve Clayton 16-Sep-16 12:38
The Pharaoh's House 572 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:14
Water 448 D-Archer 21-Sep-16 11:28
Re: Water 544 cladking 21-Sep-16 13:37
Saw pit? 592 Apap 22-Sep-16 00:13
Great idea. 467 cladking 22-Sep-16 02:00
Re: Great idea. 584 Apap 22-Sep-16 18:22
Re: Great idea. 610 cladking 22-Sep-16 19:13
Re: Saw pit? 651 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:52


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