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Origyptian Wrote:
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> You sure you didn't mean Middle Kingdom?

Yes, MK. Occupation is from the OK to NK with the best represented inscriptions belonging to the MK.
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The pharaonic period that is best represented among the inscriptions is the Middle Kingdom, with several official reports on missions undertaken at the site providing the specific year of a pharaoh’s reign. The most ancient of these engraved stelae bears the name of the last king of Dynasty 11, Mentuhotep IV (c. 2000 BC, Fig. 5).

...The collected archaeological data suggests that most of the galleries were used extensively throughout the Middle Kingdom.
Here.

> That simply could mean that the 4th Dynasty
> artifacts were the least valuable of what was
> found there by subsequent occupants, and so those
> artifacts were left behind (mainly broken shards
> of pottery).

So MK/NK inscriptions were "more valuable" than OK ones? MK/NK pots were "more valuable" than OK ones?

> It seems that you think I'm suggesting that
> el-Jarf was occupied last by the NK, but I did
> clarify that I had mixed up el-Jarf with Ayn
> Sukhna. I'm pretty sure Tallet describes the MK as
> the dominant provenance at Ayn Sukhna.

Dude-anyone who came after the OK (or before for that matter). What is the source of confusion here particularly when you are the only one claiming these were repurposed by people after the OK? And if the MK/NK "repurposed" Ayn Sukhna after the OK then why did they not "repurpose" Wadi al-Jarf? You keep claiming it was "repurposed" so where is the evidence of these people who obviously most likely would have been the MK/NK? There is none.

> I think it's fair to say that the OK had no use
> for its broken pottery and neither did any nomad
> occupants thereafter,
> and that seems to be the
> most prevalent evidence in those galleries. The
> papyrii were buried in the rubble outside the
> entrance; it's anyone's guess whether occupants
> after the OK even knew that material was there.

So what happened to your incessant unfounded claims Wadi al-Jarf was "repurposed" including after the OK? You just forget all about that now that you understand there is zero evidence of it? Instead you now latch on to whether it was "breached" after the OK or not as if this was the point all along. Who cares? All the evidence still points to construction and occupation of the site beginning and ending in the OK.

> And yes, I believe it's quite possible that nomads
> occupying those galleries after the Dynastics
> would not leave much behind with their name on it,
> so how would we know whether it was OK or not? For
> example, who charred the charred wood that was
> found there? Is there any reason to believe the OK
> torched their own boats?

So now it's not the AE of the MK/NK, but ambiguous I assume Roman era and later "nomads"? So what?

> Why would subsequent occupants of the Eastern
> Desert have any interest in broken OK pottery
> (other than using it as ostraca during the Roman
> Empire)? Can we reasonably expect every occupant
> to leave a clear sign that they were there? How
> can we possibly know what those galleries might
> have been used for during all those centuries that
> they may have been openly accessed by the various
> occupants of that desert?

Unbelievable. There is no evidence they were used for anything during "all those centuries" that they "may", or may not as there is no evidence they were, been "openly accessed". And to quote Tallet again regarding the "layers of occupation:
"On this first terrace several levels of occupation have been found which are contemporary to the functioning of the galleries."

Spin away.

> And the bulk of that evidence (at el-Jarf) was a
> bunch of shards from a few dozen broken jugs that
> were of no use to any occupant that may have been
> there post-OK.

But where is the same debris from everyone else you claim was there? Obviously the MK and NK were not there so now you are down to what-Roman era or later bedouins? Yet amazingly they too left no trace. The whole point of your originally doubt mongering Wadi al-Jarf was to confuse the provenance of Merrer's diary, so this means it was the bedouins who forged these documents? What is the point to any of your nonsense anymore? If bedouins poked around these galleries and found nothing of use as you now claim, but otherwise left zero evidence they actually used the place for anything, let alone "repurposed it", what is the point? It has nothing to do with the original OK provenance of Wadi al-Jarf nor Merrer's diary which you now aquiesse:
"The papyrii were buried in the rubble outside the entrance; it's anyone's guess whether occupants after the OK even knew that material was there...".

Lol. You are literally arguing over nothing with no evidence to back up this "nothing" regardless.

> The lack of a definitive signature
> doesn't mean it wasn't used by others who left no
> signature after the OK.

We can clearly see the "signatures" of later Dynasties at Ayn Sukhna so if in fact Wadi al-Jarf was "repurposed" during dynastic times as you incessantly claim with no evidence there is no doubt we would find their signatures there. Oh, but now you were never reffering to the Dynastic Egyptians but after later reading regarding later bedouin locals in the area you can now point to them. Stealth ninja bedouins no less who left no trace they were ever at WAdi al-Jarf.

> For example, how can you
> identify charred wood as having been burned by the
> OK vs any other subsequent occupant? What are
> those "levels of occupation" outside the galleries
> as described by Tallet?

"On this first terrace several levels of occupation have been found which are contemporary to the functioning of the galleries."

> I think it's unreasonable
> to assert that those galleries were likely never
> occupied by anyone else after the OK,

What is "unreasonable" is you asserting they were despite zero evidence if only to the contrary to support it. And who cares if some bedouins "may" have scavenged a few galleries and camped a night or two once in awhile. It is meaningless to an OK provenance of not only the facilities themselves, but also the Merrer diary. You led this nonsense all the way to the end of the rabbit hole for literally no reason whatsoever than to doubt monger for the sake of doubt mongering the diary.

> considering
> that there is no evidence that those galleries
> were ever sealed and, rather, that they may have
> been openly accessible to those Bedouin, etc.,
> cultures occupying the Eastern Desert during all
> those centuries.

There is evidence they were sealed, but again, so what if they were later assessed by the bedouins? There is no evidence they were there and has no bearing whatsoever on a 4th Dynasty provenance regardless.

> > "So some of you seem to believe Tallet is
> > able to glean what those caves originally were
> > used for even though they were breached and
> > repurposed untold times over the centuries, for
> a
> > duration of active use that he estimates to
> have
> > exceeded a full millennium."
> >
> > All of it is false. Every single word of it.

> If you are denying that those galleries were
> openly accessible,

We have no idea if they were "openly accessible", which the evidence suggests they were not, let alone even known to anyone beyond the 5th Dynasty. You are claiming as fact they were breached and that they were repurposed which is 100% false.

> and claiming they were not
> "UNBREACHED" and not repurposed,

You are the one claiming they were "breached and repurposed" so don't spin your BS back on me. You claim this as fact yet you know full well there is no evidence of it other than it is not "impossible" they were not.

> then I
> respectfully disagree with you, and I believe the
> evidence supports my interpretation of Tallet.

You have invented a self-serving and utter pointless interpretation of the evidence that does otherwise not exist which no one else shares. Now to support you "repurposing" nonsense you claim there is no reason to expect to find any actual evidence of the people who repurposed it for all of the "untold centuries"? F-ing amazing.

> Meanwhile, it may be Tallet who is overzealous in
> his interpretation of the evidence by making
> definitive claims based on his frequent use
> of uncertain conditionals (such as
> "probably" which he used 10 times in
> "Harbor of Khufu" and 9 times in the "Ayn Kukhna &
> Wadi el-Jarf" paper) rather than simply suggesting
> what he considers to be the possibilities.

Such stunning hypocrisy:
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Origyptian is the holder of a Doctorate, therefore it could be argued that it is perfectly reasonable and understandable that he should adopt a polite and academic style of writing.
However there are those that may, for one reason or another be unaware of the advantages, and necessity for the above mentioned style of writing, particularly with reference to "hedging".

> For example, there is absolutely nothing that
> definitively validates his contention that el-Jarf
> had anything at all to do with the original
> construction of G1.

So here we have the ultimate reason of all your pointless doubt mongering. Amazing.

What the Merrer diary tells us, regardless of what the stone was used for, is that he was involved in quarry and transport operations of stone from Tura. These operations required copper which is why there is a port at Wadi al-Jarf to access the copper mines of the Sinai peninsula.

According to Tallet:

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In this context, the installations at Wadi al-Jar should probably be considered as a distant dependency of the project of the Great Pyramid and an essential technical extension in order to obtain, from the mines of the southern Sinaï, the large amount of copper necessary for the tools and some specific equipment used at Giza.

Even if one wishes to view Merrer's quarry and transport activities at Tura as being for G1 "repairs" or "construction", or nothing related to G1 at all, this does not change the fact that for one, Merrer (and the 4th Dynasty) was involved in the transport of quarried stone from Tura, and two, given the need of copper to quarry such stone, Wadi al-Jarf was most certainly constructed to serve this purpose. And no matter what it all points directly to the 4th Dynasty regardless.


[snip]

Enough of your BS. More of your meaningless doubt mongering noise for no reason whatsoever other than to create some conspiracy where otherwise none exists.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 18-Sep-16 04:03 by Thanos5150.

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Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 643 Origyptian 18-Oct-16 00:02
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Galleries :: Graves 749 Dr. Troglodyte 08-Sep-16 23:33
Re: Galleries :: Graves 692 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 00:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 866 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 03:32
Re: Galleries :: Graves 660 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:21
Re: Galleries :: Graves 602 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 16:52
Re: Galleries :: Graves 789 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 19:00
Re: Galleries :: Graves 660 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 21:54
Re: Galleries :: Graves 634 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 23:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 666 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 23:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 641 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 05:50
Re: Galleries :: Graves 706 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 06:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 674 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 17:29
Re: Galleries :: Graves 807 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 21:06
Re: Galleries :: Graves 666 cladking 10-Sep-16 21:30
Re: Galleries :: Graves 759 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 15:06
Re: Galleries :: Graves 701 Thunderbird 12-Sep-16 15:36
Re: Galleries :: Graves 613 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 01:41
Re: Galleries :: Graves 672 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 02:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 690 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 04:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 803 Morten 13-Sep-16 09:05
Thanks for the link 634 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:04
Re: Galleries :: Graves 699 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 602 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 17:03
Boat Graves-one answer. 678 DScribr 13-Sep-16 17:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 581 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 02:57
Re: Galleries :: Graves 645 cladking 09-Sep-16 03:25
Close enough 679 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:02
Re: Close enough 562 cladking 09-Sep-16 21:03
Re: Close enough 675 DScribr 10-Sep-16 00:33
Re: Close enough 677 cladking 10-Sep-16 01:09
Re: Galleries :: Graves 631 Dr. Troglodyte 09-Sep-16 15:43
Re: Galleries :: Graves 615 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 18:02
It wasn't 676 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:06
Re: It wasn't 720 Origyptian 08-Sep-16 23:45
At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 645 DScribr 09-Sep-16 01:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 656 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 12:55
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists!!! 661 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 621 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:06
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 719 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 14:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 625 cladking 09-Sep-16 14:35
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 777 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 19:22
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 716 Jon Ellison 09-Sep-16 20:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 701 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 21:41
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 693 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 22:17
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 668 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 16:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 667 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 21:39
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 732 DScribr 11-Sep-16 02:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 607 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 03:27
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 952 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 01:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 641 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 03:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 715 cladking 12-Sep-16 03:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 683 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 17:48
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 652 Martin Stower 12-Sep-16 20:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 638 cladking 12-Sep-16 20:49
Re: Shred of evidence : ) 665 Thunderbird 12-Sep-16 21:19
Re: Shred of evidence : ) 644 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 00:00
Sphinx 661 DScribr 13-Sep-16 00:43
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 682 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 21:04
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 623 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 00:21
Mainstream evidence still exists.... 557 DScribr 13-Sep-16 00:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 613 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 04:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 620 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 04:31
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 596 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 13:27
Ergo, Adaption! 512 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:33
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 571 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 15:52
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 667 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 16:47
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 571 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 16:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 767 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 16:58
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 561 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 18:15
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 635 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 588 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 693 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 00:38
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 576 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 02:24
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 537 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 16:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 603 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 16:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 630 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 614 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 20:19
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 585 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 619 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 613 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 02:12
Overruled!!! 516 DScribr 14-Sep-16 03:12
Re: Overruled!!! 647 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:02
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 573 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 12:19
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 593 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 17:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 626 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:17
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 593 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:22
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 607 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:39
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 656 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:51
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 649 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 00:55
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 607 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:30
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 519 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:37
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 640 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 565 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 23:51
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 639 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 00:56
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 547 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 01:33
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 628 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 02:34
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 598 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 12:00
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 644 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:30
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 605 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 15:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 655 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 18:39
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 608 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 22:36
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 610 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 23:17
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 629 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 23:34
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 529 Origyptian 16-Sep-16 20:37
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 700 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 23:52
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 634 DScribr 17-Sep-16 00:45
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 704 Jon Ellison 17-Sep-16 07:45
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 636 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 15:56
A polite and academic style of writing. 574 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:35
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 615 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 15:25
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 641 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 16:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 587 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 17:59
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 624 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 20:57
MS and DScribr are really the same person!!!.......Film @ 11. 630 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 625 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 22:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 566 Martin Stower 18-Sep-16 00:27
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 622 Thanos5150 18-Sep-16 00:52
Misleading still exists... 606 DScribr 18-Sep-16 01:26
Re: Misleading still exists... 584 randompHactor 18-Sep-16 02:45
Re: Misleading still exists... 608 Barbelo 18-Sep-16 11:32
Re: Misleading still exists... 630 DScribr 18-Sep-16 13:55
Re: Misleading still exists... 586 randompHactor 18-Sep-16 15:16
Re: Misleading still exists... 483 DScribr 18-Sep-16 19:30
Re: Misleading still exists... 597 Origyptian 18-Sep-16 20:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 580 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 18:45
Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 550 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:40
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 626 Origyptian 18-Sep-16 20:53
Re: STILL Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 751 DScribr 19-Sep-16 00:41
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 653 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 17:50
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 484 cladking 19-Sep-16 18:06
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 518 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:06
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 735 cladking 20-Sep-16 14:29
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 611 Jon Ellison 20-Sep-16 16:46
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 674 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:34
They were sealed during the late 4th D. 657 DScribr 20-Sep-16 17:23
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 543 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:44
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 698 Jon Ellison 24-Sep-16 20:03
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 599 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 03:52
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 599 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:29
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 647 Thanos5150 17-Sep-16 18:01
Mainstream evidence exists... 636 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:49
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 604 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 21:56
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 597 Thanos5150 17-Sep-16 23:53
Summary perspective of el-Jarf 643 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 20:30
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 632 Martin Stower 19-Sep-16 22:55
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 619 Thanos5150 19-Sep-16 23:40
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 631 Corpuscles 20-Sep-16 00:43
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 617 Thanos5150 20-Sep-16 02:05
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 605 Corpuscles 20-Sep-16 23:50
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 614 cladking 21-Sep-16 00:38
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 585 Origyptian 20-Sep-16 05:09
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 668 Martin Stower 20-Sep-16 10:10
'The Truth' 609 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:20
Re: 'The Truth' 527 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:31
Re: 'The Truth' 641 Martin Stower 24-Sep-16 00:41
Re: 'The Truth' 637 Origyptian 24-Sep-16 17:11
Re: 'The Truth' 672 Martin Stower 24-Sep-16 19:21
Re: 'The Truth' 641 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 04:13
Re: 'The Truth' 699 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 13:30
Re: 'The Truth' 596 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 15:45
Re: 'The Truth' 614 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 18:15
Re: 'The Truth' 566 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 18:35
Re: 'The Truth' 579 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 19:09
Tallet Misrepresented by Ori.......... 592 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:18
Perspective vs Fact 581 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:12
Re: Perspective vs Fact 590 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:28
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 678 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 23:20
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 610 DScribr 16-Sep-16 00:40
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 584 Origyptian 16-Sep-16 01:53
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 599 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 14:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists...whether read-or not! 606 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:17
Galleries Correction 594 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:15
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 524 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 14:24
Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 622 DScribr 14-Sep-16 03:25
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 622 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 15:15
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 627 DScribr 14-Sep-16 16:04
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 600 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 21:44
Fringe-in-denial.... .... 625 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:34
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 521 cladking 15-Sep-16 18:35
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 506 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 19:40
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 583 cladking 15-Sep-16 19:56
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 571 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 20:53
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 592 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 22:10
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 649 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:06
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 564 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 09:17
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 555 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:37
Life Unfair! 611 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:36
Wadi el Jarf evidence exists 563 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:14
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists...or does it?!? 699 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:09
Re: It wasn't 638 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 12:37
Got Pics? 568 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:17
Re: It wasn't 1069 M. J. Thomas 09-Sep-16 13:09
Re: It wasn't 616 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:26
Re: It wasn't 611 eyeofhorus33 09-Sep-16 15:54
Re: It wasn't 580 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 15:56
Re: Saqqara 653 Thunderbird 09-Sep-16 17:01
Re: Saqqara 651 cladking 09-Sep-16 17:18
Re: Djedefre. ...your Fired ! 603 Thunderbird 10-Sep-16 03:38
Re: It wasn't 565 Steve Clayton 10-Sep-16 01:08
Re: It wasn't 673 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 17:02
Re: It wasn't 761 Martin Stower 10-Sep-16 20:49
Re: It wasn't 687 Martin Stower 10-Sep-16 21:33
Re: It wasn't 605 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 00:53
Re: It wasn't 581 Martin Stower 12-Sep-16 20:43
Re: It wasn't 638 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 02:37
Re: It wasn't 649 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 14:57
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 616 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 16:20
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 607 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 16:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 617 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 17:18
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 558 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 18:00
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 513 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 17:30
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 573 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 18:11
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 611 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 22:12
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 592 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 23:08
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 594 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 23:26
Lifting IS Required. 651 DScribr 14-Sep-16 12:35
Re: Lifting IS Required. 515 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 16:16
Re: Lifting IS Required. 647 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 16:43
Re: Lifting IS Required. 559 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 16:51
Re: Lifting IS Required. 645 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 18:16
Re: Lifting IS Required. 598 M. J. Thomas 14-Sep-16 18:35
Re: Lifting IS Required. 579 randompHactor 14-Sep-16 19:28
Re: Lifting IS Required. 591 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 20:01
Re: Lifting IS Required. 635 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 19:03
Re: Lifting IS Required. 828 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 20:02
Re: Lifting IS Required. 593 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 20:13
Re: Lifting IS Required. 674 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 21:58
Re: Lifting IS Required. 558 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:18
Re: Lifting IS Required. 531 Steve Clayton 15-Sep-16 01:05
Re: Lifting IS Required. 779 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 20:38
Re: Lifting IS Required. 686 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 22:39
Re: Lifting IS Required. 429 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:18
Re: Lifting IS Required. 568 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 23:32
Re: Lifting IS Required. 577 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:55
Re: Lifting IS Required. 620 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 09:09
Re: Lifting IS Required. 602 Steve Clayton 14-Sep-16 19:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 556 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 17:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 534 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 17:38
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 542 Steve Clayton 16-Sep-16 12:38
The Pharaoh's House 593 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:14
Water 472 D-Archer 21-Sep-16 11:28
Re: Water 566 cladking 21-Sep-16 13:37
Saw pit? 613 Apap 22-Sep-16 00:13
Great idea. 488 cladking 22-Sep-16 02:00
Re: Great idea. 605 Apap 22-Sep-16 18:22
Re: Great idea. 632 cladking 22-Sep-16 19:13
Re: Saw pit? 673 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:52


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