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Origyptian Wrote:
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> You sure you didn't mean Middle Kingdom?

Yes, MK. Occupation is from the OK to NK with the best represented inscriptions belonging to the MK.
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The pharaonic period that is best represented among the inscriptions is the Middle Kingdom, with several official reports on missions undertaken at the site providing the specific year of a pharaoh’s reign. The most ancient of these engraved stelae bears the name of the last king of Dynasty 11, Mentuhotep IV (c. 2000 BC, Fig. 5).

...The collected archaeological data suggests that most of the galleries were used extensively throughout the Middle Kingdom.
Here.

> That simply could mean that the 4th Dynasty
> artifacts were the least valuable of what was
> found there by subsequent occupants, and so those
> artifacts were left behind (mainly broken shards
> of pottery).

So MK/NK inscriptions were "more valuable" than OK ones? MK/NK pots were "more valuable" than OK ones?

> It seems that you think I'm suggesting that
> el-Jarf was occupied last by the NK, but I did
> clarify that I had mixed up el-Jarf with Ayn
> Sukhna. I'm pretty sure Tallet describes the MK as
> the dominant provenance at Ayn Sukhna.

Dude-anyone who came after the OK (or before for that matter). What is the source of confusion here particularly when you are the only one claiming these were repurposed by people after the OK? And if the MK/NK "repurposed" Ayn Sukhna after the OK then why did they not "repurpose" Wadi al-Jarf? You keep claiming it was "repurposed" so where is the evidence of these people who obviously most likely would have been the MK/NK? There is none.

> I think it's fair to say that the OK had no use
> for its broken pottery and neither did any nomad
> occupants thereafter,
> and that seems to be the
> most prevalent evidence in those galleries. The
> papyrii were buried in the rubble outside the
> entrance; it's anyone's guess whether occupants
> after the OK even knew that material was there.

So what happened to your incessant unfounded claims Wadi al-Jarf was "repurposed" including after the OK? You just forget all about that now that you understand there is zero evidence of it? Instead you now latch on to whether it was "breached" after the OK or not as if this was the point all along. Who cares? All the evidence still points to construction and occupation of the site beginning and ending in the OK.

> And yes, I believe it's quite possible that nomads
> occupying those galleries after the Dynastics
> would not leave much behind with their name on it,
> so how would we know whether it was OK or not? For
> example, who charred the charred wood that was
> found there? Is there any reason to believe the OK
> torched their own boats?

So now it's not the AE of the MK/NK, but ambiguous I assume Roman era and later "nomads"? So what?

> Why would subsequent occupants of the Eastern
> Desert have any interest in broken OK pottery
> (other than using it as ostraca during the Roman
> Empire)? Can we reasonably expect every occupant
> to leave a clear sign that they were there? How
> can we possibly know what those galleries might
> have been used for during all those centuries that
> they may have been openly accessed by the various
> occupants of that desert?

Unbelievable. There is no evidence they were used for anything during "all those centuries" that they "may", or may not as there is no evidence they were, been "openly accessed". And to quote Tallet again regarding the "layers of occupation:
"On this first terrace several levels of occupation have been found which are contemporary to the functioning of the galleries."

Spin away.

> And the bulk of that evidence (at el-Jarf) was a
> bunch of shards from a few dozen broken jugs that
> were of no use to any occupant that may have been
> there post-OK.

But where is the same debris from everyone else you claim was there? Obviously the MK and NK were not there so now you are down to what-Roman era or later bedouins? Yet amazingly they too left no trace. The whole point of your originally doubt mongering Wadi al-Jarf was to confuse the provenance of Merrer's diary, so this means it was the bedouins who forged these documents? What is the point to any of your nonsense anymore? If bedouins poked around these galleries and found nothing of use as you now claim, but otherwise left zero evidence they actually used the place for anything, let alone "repurposed it", what is the point? It has nothing to do with the original OK provenance of Wadi al-Jarf nor Merrer's diary which you now aquiesse:
"The papyrii were buried in the rubble outside the entrance; it's anyone's guess whether occupants after the OK even knew that material was there...".

Lol. You are literally arguing over nothing with no evidence to back up this "nothing" regardless.

> The lack of a definitive signature
> doesn't mean it wasn't used by others who left no
> signature after the OK.

We can clearly see the "signatures" of later Dynasties at Ayn Sukhna so if in fact Wadi al-Jarf was "repurposed" during dynastic times as you incessantly claim with no evidence there is no doubt we would find their signatures there. Oh, but now you were never reffering to the Dynastic Egyptians but after later reading regarding later bedouin locals in the area you can now point to them. Stealth ninja bedouins no less who left no trace they were ever at WAdi al-Jarf.

> For example, how can you
> identify charred wood as having been burned by the
> OK vs any other subsequent occupant? What are
> those "levels of occupation" outside the galleries
> as described by Tallet?

"On this first terrace several levels of occupation have been found which are contemporary to the functioning of the galleries."

> I think it's unreasonable
> to assert that those galleries were likely never
> occupied by anyone else after the OK,

What is "unreasonable" is you asserting they were despite zero evidence if only to the contrary to support it. And who cares if some bedouins "may" have scavenged a few galleries and camped a night or two once in awhile. It is meaningless to an OK provenance of not only the facilities themselves, but also the Merrer diary. You led this nonsense all the way to the end of the rabbit hole for literally no reason whatsoever than to doubt monger for the sake of doubt mongering the diary.

> considering
> that there is no evidence that those galleries
> were ever sealed and, rather, that they may have
> been openly accessible to those Bedouin, etc.,
> cultures occupying the Eastern Desert during all
> those centuries.

There is evidence they were sealed, but again, so what if they were later assessed by the bedouins? There is no evidence they were there and has no bearing whatsoever on a 4th Dynasty provenance regardless.

> > "So some of you seem to believe Tallet is
> > able to glean what those caves originally were
> > used for even though they were breached and
> > repurposed untold times over the centuries, for
> a
> > duration of active use that he estimates to
> have
> > exceeded a full millennium."
> >
> > All of it is false. Every single word of it.

> If you are denying that those galleries were
> openly accessible,

We have no idea if they were "openly accessible", which the evidence suggests they were not, let alone even known to anyone beyond the 5th Dynasty. You are claiming as fact they were breached and that they were repurposed which is 100% false.

> and claiming they were not
> "UNBREACHED" and not repurposed,

You are the one claiming they were "breached and repurposed" so don't spin your BS back on me. You claim this as fact yet you know full well there is no evidence of it other than it is not "impossible" they were not.

> then I
> respectfully disagree with you, and I believe the
> evidence supports my interpretation of Tallet.

You have invented a self-serving and utter pointless interpretation of the evidence that does otherwise not exist which no one else shares. Now to support you "repurposing" nonsense you claim there is no reason to expect to find any actual evidence of the people who repurposed it for all of the "untold centuries"? F-ing amazing.

> Meanwhile, it may be Tallet who is overzealous in
> his interpretation of the evidence by making
> definitive claims based on his frequent use
> of uncertain conditionals (such as
> "probably" which he used 10 times in
> "Harbor of Khufu" and 9 times in the "Ayn Kukhna &
> Wadi el-Jarf" paper) rather than simply suggesting
> what he considers to be the possibilities.

Such stunning hypocrisy:
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Origyptian is the holder of a Doctorate, therefore it could be argued that it is perfectly reasonable and understandable that he should adopt a polite and academic style of writing.
However there are those that may, for one reason or another be unaware of the advantages, and necessity for the above mentioned style of writing, particularly with reference to "hedging".

> For example, there is absolutely nothing that
> definitively validates his contention that el-Jarf
> had anything at all to do with the original
> construction of G1.

So here we have the ultimate reason of all your pointless doubt mongering. Amazing.

What the Merrer diary tells us, regardless of what the stone was used for, is that he was involved in quarry and transport operations of stone from Tura. These operations required copper which is why there is a port at Wadi al-Jarf to access the copper mines of the Sinai peninsula.

According to Tallet:

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In this context, the installations at Wadi al-Jar should probably be considered as a distant dependency of the project of the Great Pyramid and an essential technical extension in order to obtain, from the mines of the southern Sinaï, the large amount of copper necessary for the tools and some specific equipment used at Giza.

Even if one wishes to view Merrer's quarry and transport activities at Tura as being for G1 "repairs" or "construction", or nothing related to G1 at all, this does not change the fact that for one, Merrer (and the 4th Dynasty) was involved in the transport of quarried stone from Tura, and two, given the need of copper to quarry such stone, Wadi al-Jarf was most certainly constructed to serve this purpose. And no matter what it all points directly to the 4th Dynasty regardless.


[snip]

Enough of your BS. More of your meaningless doubt mongering noise for no reason whatsoever other than to create some conspiracy where otherwise none exists.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 18-Sep-16 04:03 by Thanos5150.

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Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 622 Origyptian 18-Oct-16 00:02
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Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 688 Thanos5150 18-Oct-16 17:36
Re: Khufu's Boats-to be built by others..... 701 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:07
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 757 cladking 04-Sep-16 20:26
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Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 657 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 12:55
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Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 632 Jon Ellison 06-Sep-16 18:34
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Galleries :: Graves 689 Dr. Troglodyte 08-Sep-16 23:33
Re: Galleries :: Graves 669 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 00:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 845 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 03:32
Re: Galleries :: Graves 638 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:21
Re: Galleries :: Graves 581 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 16:52
Re: Galleries :: Graves 767 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 19:00
Re: Galleries :: Graves 639 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 21:54
Re: Galleries :: Graves 613 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 23:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 645 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 23:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 619 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 05:50
Re: Galleries :: Graves 684 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 06:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 651 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 17:29
Re: Galleries :: Graves 780 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 21:06
Re: Galleries :: Graves 645 cladking 10-Sep-16 21:30
Re: Galleries :: Graves 737 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 15:06
Re: Galleries :: Graves 681 Thunderbird 12-Sep-16 15:36
Re: Galleries :: Graves 591 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 01:41
Re: Galleries :: Graves 651 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 02:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 668 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 04:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 781 Morten 13-Sep-16 09:05
Thanks for the link 612 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:04
Re: Galleries :: Graves 677 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 583 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 17:03
Boat Graves-one answer. 655 DScribr 13-Sep-16 17:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 560 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 02:57
Re: Galleries :: Graves 625 cladking 09-Sep-16 03:25
Close enough 657 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:02
Re: Close enough 542 cladking 09-Sep-16 21:03
Re: Close enough 654 DScribr 10-Sep-16 00:33
Re: Close enough 654 cladking 10-Sep-16 01:09
Re: Galleries :: Graves 611 Dr. Troglodyte 09-Sep-16 15:43
Re: Galleries :: Graves 593 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 18:02
It wasn't 656 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:06
Re: It wasn't 696 Origyptian 08-Sep-16 23:45
At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 622 DScribr 09-Sep-16 01:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 635 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 12:55
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists!!! 611 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 597 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:06
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 648 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 14:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 605 cladking 09-Sep-16 14:35
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 705 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 19:22
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 659 Jon Ellison 09-Sep-16 20:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 679 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 21:41
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 670 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 22:17
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 645 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 16:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 644 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 21:39
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 710 DScribr 11-Sep-16 02:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 585 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 03:27
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 855 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 01:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 618 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 03:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 665 cladking 12-Sep-16 03:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 655 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 17:48
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 632 Martin Stower 12-Sep-16 20:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 618 cladking 12-Sep-16 20:49
Re: Shred of evidence : ) 646 Thunderbird 12-Sep-16 21:19
Re: Shred of evidence : ) 624 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 00:00
Sphinx 639 DScribr 13-Sep-16 00:43
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 662 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 21:04
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 604 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 00:21
Mainstream evidence still exists.... 537 DScribr 13-Sep-16 00:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 592 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 04:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 601 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 04:31
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 576 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 13:27
Ergo, Adaption! 492 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:33
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 552 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 15:52
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 615 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 16:47
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 551 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 16:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 613 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 16:58
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 540 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 18:15
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 613 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 567 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 615 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 00:38
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 554 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 02:24
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 518 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 16:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 585 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 16:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 610 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 594 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 20:19
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 566 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 599 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 593 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 02:12
Overruled!!! 498 DScribr 14-Sep-16 03:12
Re: Overruled!!! 628 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:02
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 552 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 12:19
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 573 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 17:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 605 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:17
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 572 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:22
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 586 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:39
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 637 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:51
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 630 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 00:55
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 585 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:30
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 498 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:37
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 620 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 545 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 23:51
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 617 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 00:56
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 525 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 01:33
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 607 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 02:34
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 578 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 12:00
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 617 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:30
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 585 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 15:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 578 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 18:39
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 586 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 22:36
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 591 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 23:17
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 608 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 23:34
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 510 Origyptian 16-Sep-16 20:37
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 677 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 23:52
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 615 DScribr 17-Sep-16 00:45
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 685 Jon Ellison 17-Sep-16 07:45
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 588 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 15:56
A polite and academic style of writing. 556 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:35
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 594 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 15:25
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 621 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 16:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 566 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 17:59
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 604 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 20:57
MS and DScribr are really the same person!!!.......Film @ 11. 612 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 605 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 22:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 543 Martin Stower 18-Sep-16 00:27
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 596 Thanos5150 18-Sep-16 00:52
Misleading still exists... 584 DScribr 18-Sep-16 01:26
Re: Misleading still exists... 559 randompHactor 18-Sep-16 02:45
Re: Misleading still exists... 582 Barbelo 18-Sep-16 11:32
Re: Misleading still exists... 610 DScribr 18-Sep-16 13:55
Re: Misleading still exists... 565 randompHactor 18-Sep-16 15:16
Re: Misleading still exists... 462 DScribr 18-Sep-16 19:30
Re: Misleading still exists... 576 Origyptian 18-Sep-16 20:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 562 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 18:45
Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 532 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:40
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 607 Origyptian 18-Sep-16 20:53
Re: STILL Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 732 DScribr 19-Sep-16 00:41
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 624 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 17:50
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 466 cladking 19-Sep-16 18:06
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 499 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:06
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 667 cladking 20-Sep-16 14:29
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 591 Jon Ellison 20-Sep-16 16:46
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 654 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:34
They were sealed during the late 4th D. 637 DScribr 20-Sep-16 17:23
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 522 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:44
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 680 Jon Ellison 24-Sep-16 20:03
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 580 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 03:52
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 579 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:29
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 585 Thanos5150 17-Sep-16 18:01
Mainstream evidence exists... 617 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:49
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 585 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 21:56
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 576 Thanos5150 17-Sep-16 23:53
Summary perspective of el-Jarf 587 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 20:30
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 608 Martin Stower 19-Sep-16 22:55
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 600 Thanos5150 19-Sep-16 23:40
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 611 Corpuscles 20-Sep-16 00:43
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 599 Thanos5150 20-Sep-16 02:05
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 585 Corpuscles 20-Sep-16 23:50
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 595 cladking 21-Sep-16 00:38
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 565 Origyptian 20-Sep-16 05:09
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 645 Martin Stower 20-Sep-16 10:10
'The Truth' 589 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:20
Re: 'The Truth' 506 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:31
Re: 'The Truth' 621 Martin Stower 24-Sep-16 00:41
Re: 'The Truth' 616 Origyptian 24-Sep-16 17:11
Re: 'The Truth' 651 Martin Stower 24-Sep-16 19:21
Re: 'The Truth' 622 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 04:13
Re: 'The Truth' 631 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 13:30
Re: 'The Truth' 576 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 15:45
Re: 'The Truth' 584 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 18:15
Re: 'The Truth' 546 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 18:35
Re: 'The Truth' 557 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 19:09
Tallet Misrepresented by Ori.......... 572 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:18
Perspective vs Fact 561 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:12
Re: Perspective vs Fact 570 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:28
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 624 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 23:20
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 587 DScribr 16-Sep-16 00:40
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 564 Origyptian 16-Sep-16 01:53
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 579 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 14:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists...whether read-or not! 586 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:17
Galleries Correction 572 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:15
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 503 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 14:24
Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 550 DScribr 14-Sep-16 03:25
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 599 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 15:15
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 606 DScribr 14-Sep-16 16:04
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 579 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 21:44
Fringe-in-denial.... .... 605 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:34
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 501 cladking 15-Sep-16 18:35
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 485 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 19:40
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 563 cladking 15-Sep-16 19:56
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 551 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 20:53
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 571 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 22:10
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 629 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:06
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 545 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 09:17
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 535 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:37
Life Unfair! 591 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:36
Wadi el Jarf evidence exists 544 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:14
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists...or does it?!? 678 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:09
Re: It wasn't 619 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 12:37
Got Pics? 548 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:17
Re: It wasn't 959 M. J. Thomas 09-Sep-16 13:09
Re: It wasn't 594 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:26
Re: It wasn't 590 eyeofhorus33 09-Sep-16 15:54
Re: It wasn't 527 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 15:56
Re: Saqqara 633 Thunderbird 09-Sep-16 17:01
Re: Saqqara 631 cladking 09-Sep-16 17:18
Re: Djedefre. ...your Fired ! 584 Thunderbird 10-Sep-16 03:38
Re: It wasn't 546 Steve Clayton 10-Sep-16 01:08
Re: It wasn't 651 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 17:02
Re: It wasn't 736 Martin Stower 10-Sep-16 20:49
Re: It wasn't 664 Martin Stower 10-Sep-16 21:33
Re: It wasn't 582 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 00:53
Re: It wasn't 559 Martin Stower 12-Sep-16 20:43
Re: It wasn't 618 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 02:37
Re: It wasn't 584 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 14:57
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 597 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 16:20
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 587 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 16:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 597 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 17:18
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 536 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 18:00
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 492 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 17:30
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 552 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 18:11
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 591 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 22:12
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 571 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 23:08
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 561 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 23:26
Lifting IS Required. 632 DScribr 14-Sep-16 12:35
Re: Lifting IS Required. 495 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 16:16
Re: Lifting IS Required. 625 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 16:43
Re: Lifting IS Required. 541 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 16:51
Re: Lifting IS Required. 625 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 18:16
Re: Lifting IS Required. 569 M. J. Thomas 14-Sep-16 18:35
Re: Lifting IS Required. 561 randompHactor 14-Sep-16 19:28
Re: Lifting IS Required. 571 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 20:01
Re: Lifting IS Required. 614 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 19:03
Re: Lifting IS Required. 730 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 20:02
Re: Lifting IS Required. 573 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 20:13
Re: Lifting IS Required. 656 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 21:58
Re: Lifting IS Required. 536 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:18
Re: Lifting IS Required. 510 Steve Clayton 15-Sep-16 01:05
Re: Lifting IS Required. 753 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 20:38
Re: Lifting IS Required. 667 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 22:39
Re: Lifting IS Required. 410 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:18
Re: Lifting IS Required. 547 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 23:32
Re: Lifting IS Required. 557 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:55
Re: Lifting IS Required. 600 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 09:09
Re: Lifting IS Required. 582 Steve Clayton 14-Sep-16 19:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 538 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 17:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 515 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 17:38
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 524 Steve Clayton 16-Sep-16 12:38
The Pharaoh's House 572 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:14
Water 450 D-Archer 21-Sep-16 11:28
Re: Water 544 cladking 21-Sep-16 13:37
Saw pit? 592 Apap 22-Sep-16 00:13
Great idea. 468 cladking 22-Sep-16 02:00
Re: Great idea. 584 Apap 22-Sep-16 18:22
Re: Great idea. 610 cladking 22-Sep-16 19:13
Re: Saw pit? 652 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:52


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