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Origyptian Wrote:
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> Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> >
> > ...You have no idea if
> > they were ever "repurposed" and are just making up
> > whatever. And isn't it odd that after all this
> > "pillaging" you keep claiming went on the only
> > stuff left over were OK artifacts? Weird.
> > Again-where does he say they were "breached and
> > pillaged" after they were closed and abandoned in
> > the 4th Dynasty (possibly beginning of the 5th)
> > let alone as you now say he claims says Wadi
> > al-Jarf was in "active use which exceeded a full
> > millennium"?
>
> For that matter, you have no idea whether those
> galleries were actually ever "closed and
> abandoned" in the 4th Dynasty. This is a
> speculation presented by Tallet based on scant
> evidence. As far as I can tell from the
> literature, all of those 30 galleries at el-Jarf
> were found almost completely empty except for some
> broken pottery, charred wood, and a some tattered
> segments of papyrus, the latter buried in the
> rubble at the entrance outside (NOT
> inside) the gallery (see Fig. 12 in "The Harbor of
> Khufu.."). If those galleries were emptied before
> they were sealed, then why bother sealing them
> with such a "complex and massive closing
> system" in the first place?
>
> For all we know, the Bedouins likely knew every
> square meter of that part of the Egyptian desert,
> and it's reasonable that they were well aware of
> those galleries. Likewise, they may not have been
> very respectful of pharaonic property, and so they
> (and/or other local tribes) may have freely
> pillaged those galleries, and the artifacts that
> were found in there by Tallet may simply have been
> what those locals left behind as useless, such as
> cracked pottery and some charred boat wood (again,
> the main deposit of papyri was found in the rubble
> outside of the galleries). How can Tallet
> be sure that his observation of "layers of
> occupation" at those galleries isn't evidence of
> desert nomads after the 4th Dynasty, and that the
> Old Kingdom artifacts found there don't simply
> represent the final stage of a much longer (e.g.,
> earlier) occupation/use of those galleries?
>
> That aside, the first clue that the galleries were
> "breached" (if they ever really were sealed) was
> Tallet's statement "In each case it was
> possible to recognize at the entrances the
> remains of a complex and massive closing
> system.". He certainly doesn't describe any
> closure system as intact. He never states he had
> to break the seal formed by the portcullis system,
> or even move any portcullis stone to gain access
> to any gallery. All of his photos show a fully
> breached gallery, i.e., Fig. 3 and Fig. 11 in "The
> Harbor of Khufu".
>
> The second clue that the galleries were breached
> long ago was Wilkinson's observation with Burton
> in 1832: "Near the ruins is a small knoll
> containing eighteen excavated chambers, beside,
> perhaps, many others the entrance of which are no
> longer visible. We...found them to be catacombs;
> they are well cut, and vary from about eighty to
> twenty-four feet..." Those "catacombs" were
> already breached when Wilkinson stumbled on them,
> and Tallet reframed them simply as storage
> galleries. If those galleries weren't sealed when
> discovered by the European explorers in the 19th
> century, then it's fair to characterize those
> galleries has having been "breached" since the
> time of any alleged closure back in the Old
> Kingdom.
>
> Likewise, in Tallet's paper on Ayn Sukhna and Wadi
> ell-Jarf, Tallet's photos also show breached
> galleries. And the same for "An Early Pharaonic
> Harbour on the Red Sea Coast" which includes this
> reference to a "portcullis block at the
> entrance" which doesn't actually block the
> entrance at all:



> ...and likewise for Fig 17 in that same paper.
>
> As a sidebar comment, the narrowing at the
> entrance to the gallery along with the stone
> that's placed as an "obstacle" in front of the
> entrance (as seen in the above photo) are very
> similar to what David Peacock observed at the
> repurposed entrance to the "Fort" at Mons
> Claudianus (some distance to the south of el-Jarf,
> also in the Eastern Desert of Egypt) which was
> modified to add a "threshold" step and also a
> narrowing to the entrance in a later construction
> phase performed by the Romans. Interestingly,
> Wilkinson (who I think also originally discovered
> Mons Claudianus) interpreted the el-Jarf galleries
> to be catacombs that were constructed during the
> Greco-Roman period since he observed what he
> considered to be evidence of cremation and noted
> that the Egyptians did not burn their dead.
> Whether that evidence of cremation was
> misinterpreted or lost by the time Tallet arrived
> is unclear. If the galleries were constructed by
> Egyptians but were used for Greco-Roman cremation
> in a later era, this certainly supports
> repurposing, as does Wilkinson's observation that
> those galleries already had been breached prior to
> his discovery of them.
>
> It may very well be true that the galleries were
> indeed closed toward the end of the 4th Dynasty.
> But we really do not know that with certainty,
> especially since Ayn Sukhna was used from OK to NK
> a few miles to the north of el-Jarf, and those
> galleries have have never been reported as being
> observed as unbreached. Considering that Wilkinson
> and others stumbled upon these breached galleries
> in relatively modern times, it's fair to assume
> many others have visited them over the centuries,
> investigated them, and took anything they found of
> any value there. And so to assert that Tallet
> found those breached galleries in the same
> condition as the day they might have been closed
> 4500 years ago (no evidence for that) despite them
> having been discovered unbreached, and that they
> housed the same artifacts as back then for all
> those millennia, is simply unrealistic.
>
> Meanwhile, I have no idea why Dscribr insists
> those galleries were "UNBREACHED" since all of the
> evidence indicates otherwise.
>
> Regarding my comment about Tallet claiming that
> galleries were used for a millennium, that was at
> Ayn Sukhna a similar harbor/gallery complext
> located a bit to the north of el-Jarf. Sorry about
> the mixup.

So your grounds for claiming this:

“Tallet fully acknowledges that those galleries were breached and pillaged untold centuries ago.”

http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?1,1065133,1065663#msg-1065663

—are that Tallet did not say that they were not “breached and pillaged”. Right. Thanks for that: a perfect example of your extraordinarily arbitrary and biased approach to the text.

“This is a speculation presented by Tallet based on scant evidence. As far as I can tell . . . For all we know . . . it's reasonable that . . . may not have been . . . may have freely pillaged . . . may simply have been . . . How can Tallet be sure . . . the first clue . . . The second clue . . . it's fair to characterize . . . we really do not know . . . it's fair to assume . . .”

See the problem? I’m sure everyone else does. It’s far from clear that you are any judge on the question of speculation. You have a notable blind spot for your own.

The Bedouin, is it? Care to cite any evidence at all of the Bedouin having been there? One identifiable thing? Same for the Greeks and Romans. Not one Latin graffito? Shame! Not exactly Pompeii, is it?

Will you be telling us next that some of the Bedouin (or Greeks, or Romans) had the curious hobby of forging Old Kingdom inscriptions and papyri? Seeing as how you’ve already told us that the painted inscriptions could have been applied “at any time”:

http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?1,1065133,1065663#msg-1065663

Care to be more specific?

Certainly we have from you the usual excuse of a posited process which conveniently removes all of the “lost civilisation” stuff and leaves only the ancient Egyptian stuff. Can you even spell “ad hoc”?

Where does it say that the photographs you reference show the entrances to the galleries as originally discovered? Seems to me rather obvious that they show them as revealed by excavation. Let us note that you question the galleries having been sealed in the first place, which makes your talk of of the galleries having been “breached” what I called it, melodrama, while the “pillaging” is also what I called it: mere assertion, unevidenced and dogmatic.

Inference from assumed intrusion post-4th dynasty to intrusion pre-4th dynasty (which seems to have been quietly set aside here) is of course entirely gratuitous and speculative.

Past time you stopped trying to bamboozle readers of this board with your empty speculations, Doc.

M.

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Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 4798 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 03:30
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 866 eyeofhorus33 04-Sep-16 06:28
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 796 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 19:18
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 842 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 08:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 845 DUNE 04-Sep-16 10:12
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 807 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 10:24
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 825 DUNE 04-Sep-16 10:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 734 DUNE 04-Sep-16 11:22
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 823 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 18:16
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 739 DUNE 04-Sep-16 18:23
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 759 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 18:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 766 cladking 04-Sep-16 21:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 654 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 21:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 781 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 06:09
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 703 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 16:24
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 783 Jon Ellison 05-Sep-16 17:14
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 669 cladking 05-Sep-16 22:10
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 798 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 11:26
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 824 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 17:03
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 612 Steve Clayton 04-Sep-16 18:25
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 786 Steve Clayton 04-Sep-16 18:55
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 716 cladking 04-Sep-16 20:21
Boats R Us 654 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:16
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 738 jamesglory 08-Sep-16 06:06
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 646 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 18:09
Re: Khufu's Boats used in their Pits 679 DScribr 09-Sep-16 18:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 751 jamesglory 16-Sep-16 05:45
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 747 jamesglory 26-Sep-16 13:22
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 633 cladking 26-Sep-16 14:17
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 605 Thanos5150 27-Sep-16 00:17
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 800 jamesglory 27-Sep-16 06:43
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 765 Thanos5150 27-Sep-16 17:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 626 DUNE 15-Oct-16 10:58
Khufu I/Block 20 546 Dr. Troglodyte 15-Oct-16 18:13
Re: Khufu I/Block 20 653 Thanos5150 15-Oct-16 21:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 655 Origyptian 18-Oct-16 00:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 634 DUNE 18-Oct-16 07:56
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 683 Thanos5150 18-Oct-16 16:50
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 562 DUNE 18-Oct-16 17:00
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 722 Thanos5150 18-Oct-16 17:36
Re: Khufu's Boats-to be built by others..... 733 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:07
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 793 cladking 04-Sep-16 20:26
Re: Water erosion 864 Thunderbird 05-Sep-16 14:36
Re: Water erosion 667 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 16:18
Re: Water erosion 792 Steve Clayton 05-Sep-16 16:50
Re: Water erosion 614 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 17:46
Re: Water erosion 745 Steve Clayton 05-Sep-16 22:12
Re: Water erosion 652 Steve Clayton 05-Sep-16 16:58
Re: Water erosion 640 eyeofhorus33 05-Sep-16 17:29
Re: Water erosion 702 Merrell 05-Sep-16 17:46
Re:Control the conversation.....tantrum. ... 732 Thunderbird 05-Sep-16 20:14
Re: Re:Control the conversation.....tantrum. ... 732 Martin Stower 05-Sep-16 20:55
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 708 Thunderbird 06-Sep-16 04:57
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 723 Martin Stower 06-Sep-16 21:06
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 635 cladking 06-Sep-16 21:51
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 748 Jon Ellison 06-Sep-16 21:56
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 724 Martin Stower 06-Sep-16 23:21
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 651 cladking 07-Sep-16 00:11
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 539 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:23
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 665 cladking 07-Sep-16 19:07
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 661 DScribr 08-Sep-16 01:17
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 721 cladking 08-Sep-16 13:39
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 653 Origyptian 08-Sep-16 23:56
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 590 cladking 09-Sep-16 00:52
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 608 Martin Stower 06-Sep-16 23:13
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 845 cladking 07-Sep-16 00:17
Stream of Consciousness 710 eyeofhorus33 06-Sep-16 19:33
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 689 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 12:55
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 647 cladking 06-Sep-16 14:03
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 649 Steve Clayton 06-Sep-16 17:28
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 624 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 18:08
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 629 Steve Clayton 07-Sep-16 12:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 647 cladking 07-Sep-16 14:19
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 672 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 18:23
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 663 Jon Ellison 06-Sep-16 18:34
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 709 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 19:16
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 661 Jon Ellison 06-Sep-16 23:38
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 920 Thanos5150 06-Sep-16 23:41
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 655 Steve Clayton 07-Sep-16 14:17
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 626 cladking 07-Sep-16 14:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 679 Steve Clayton 07-Sep-16 15:46
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 693 cladking 07-Sep-16 16:24
Galleries :: Graves 760 Dr. Troglodyte 08-Sep-16 23:33
Re: Galleries :: Graves 703 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 00:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 877 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 03:32
Re: Galleries :: Graves 669 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:21
Re: Galleries :: Graves 611 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 16:52
Re: Galleries :: Graves 799 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 19:00
Re: Galleries :: Graves 671 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 21:54
Re: Galleries :: Graves 645 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 23:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 676 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 23:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 650 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 05:50
Re: Galleries :: Graves 714 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 06:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 683 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 17:29
Re: Galleries :: Graves 817 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 21:06
Re: Galleries :: Graves 679 cladking 10-Sep-16 21:30
Re: Galleries :: Graves 770 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 15:06
Re: Galleries :: Graves 714 Thunderbird 12-Sep-16 15:36
Re: Galleries :: Graves 629 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 01:41
Re: Galleries :: Graves 681 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 02:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 700 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 04:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 813 Morten 13-Sep-16 09:05
Thanks for the link 644 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:04
Re: Galleries :: Graves 711 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 612 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 17:03
Boat Graves-one answer. 687 DScribr 13-Sep-16 17:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 590 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 02:57
Re: Galleries :: Graves 656 cladking 09-Sep-16 03:25
Close enough 690 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:02
Re: Close enough 574 cladking 09-Sep-16 21:03
Re: Close enough 684 DScribr 10-Sep-16 00:33
Re: Close enough 690 cladking 10-Sep-16 01:09
Re: Galleries :: Graves 641 Dr. Troglodyte 09-Sep-16 15:43
Re: Galleries :: Graves 624 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 18:02
It wasn't 686 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:06
Re: It wasn't 729 Origyptian 08-Sep-16 23:45
At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 656 DScribr 09-Sep-16 01:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 665 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 12:55
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists!!! 671 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 630 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:06
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 778 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 14:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 634 cladking 09-Sep-16 14:35
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 820 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 19:22
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 749 Jon Ellison 09-Sep-16 20:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 712 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 21:41
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 704 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 22:17
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 679 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 16:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 677 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 21:39
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 744 DScribr 11-Sep-16 02:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 617 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 03:27
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 1010 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 01:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 653 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 03:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 750 cladking 12-Sep-16 03:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 695 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 17:48
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 662 Martin Stower 12-Sep-16 20:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 648 cladking 12-Sep-16 20:49
Re: Shred of evidence : ) 677 Thunderbird 12-Sep-16 21:19
Re: Shred of evidence : ) 653 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 00:00
Sphinx 669 DScribr 13-Sep-16 00:43
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 695 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 21:04
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 635 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 00:21
Mainstream evidence still exists.... 566 DScribr 13-Sep-16 00:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 623 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 04:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 630 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 04:31
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 606 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 13:27
Ergo, Adaption! 527 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:33
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 581 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 15:52
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 677 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 16:47
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 580 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 16:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 817 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 16:58
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 571 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 18:15
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 644 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 600 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 704 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 00:38
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 586 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 02:24
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 549 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 16:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 613 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 16:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 640 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 621 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 20:19
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 595 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 628 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 628 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 02:12
Overruled!!! 528 DScribr 14-Sep-16 03:12
Re: Overruled!!! 678 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:02
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 582 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 12:19
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 605 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 17:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 639 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:17
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 603 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:22
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 616 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:39
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 669 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:51
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 666 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 00:55
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 618 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:30
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 529 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:37
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 651 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 575 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 23:51
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 649 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 00:56
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 561 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 01:33
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 640 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 02:34
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 609 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 12:00
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 701 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:30
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 616 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 15:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 698 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 18:39
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 618 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 22:36
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 619 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 23:17
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 639 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 23:34
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 539 Origyptian 16-Sep-16 20:37
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 711 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 23:52
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 644 DScribr 17-Sep-16 00:45
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 713 Jon Ellison 17-Sep-16 07:45
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 653 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 15:56
A polite and academic style of writing. 587 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:35
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 624 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 15:25
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 651 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 16:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 595 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 17:59
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 633 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 20:57
MS and DScribr are really the same person!!!.......Film @ 11. 644 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 638 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 22:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 574 Martin Stower 18-Sep-16 00:27
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 643 Thanos5150 18-Sep-16 00:52
Misleading still exists... 616 DScribr 18-Sep-16 01:26
Re: Misleading still exists... 596 randompHactor 18-Sep-16 02:45
Re: Misleading still exists... 618 Barbelo 18-Sep-16 11:32
Re: Misleading still exists... 641 DScribr 18-Sep-16 13:55
Re: Misleading still exists... 597 randompHactor 18-Sep-16 15:16
Re: Misleading still exists... 498 DScribr 18-Sep-16 19:30
Re: Misleading still exists... 605 Origyptian 18-Sep-16 20:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 596 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 18:45
Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 562 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:40
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 635 Origyptian 18-Sep-16 20:53
Re: STILL Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 760 DScribr 19-Sep-16 00:41
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 661 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 17:50
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 495 cladking 19-Sep-16 18:06
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 528 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:06
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 776 cladking 20-Sep-16 14:29
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 627 Jon Ellison 20-Sep-16 16:46
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 686 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:34
They were sealed during the late 4th D. 668 DScribr 20-Sep-16 17:23
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 555 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:44
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 709 Jon Ellison 24-Sep-16 20:03
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 613 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 03:52
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 609 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:29
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 660 Thanos5150 17-Sep-16 18:01
Mainstream evidence exists... 647 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:49
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 624 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 21:56
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 612 Thanos5150 17-Sep-16 23:53
Summary perspective of el-Jarf 654 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 20:30
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 651 Martin Stower 19-Sep-16 22:55
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 629 Thanos5150 19-Sep-16 23:40
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 640 Corpuscles 20-Sep-16 00:43
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 627 Thanos5150 20-Sep-16 02:05
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 615 Corpuscles 20-Sep-16 23:50
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 627 cladking 21-Sep-16 00:38
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 601 Origyptian 20-Sep-16 05:09
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 677 Martin Stower 20-Sep-16 10:10
'The Truth' 619 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:20
Re: 'The Truth' 535 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:31
Re: 'The Truth' 651 Martin Stower 24-Sep-16 00:41
Re: 'The Truth' 650 Origyptian 24-Sep-16 17:11
Re: 'The Truth' 681 Martin Stower 24-Sep-16 19:21
Re: 'The Truth' 650 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 04:13
Re: 'The Truth' 753 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 13:30
Re: 'The Truth' 603 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 15:45
Re: 'The Truth' 622 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 18:15
Re: 'The Truth' 576 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 18:35
Re: 'The Truth' 587 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 19:09
Tallet Misrepresented by Ori.......... 600 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:18
Perspective vs Fact 590 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:12
Re: Perspective vs Fact 599 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:28
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 688 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 23:20
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 622 DScribr 16-Sep-16 00:40
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 596 Origyptian 16-Sep-16 01:53
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 607 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 14:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists...whether read-or not! 621 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:17
Galleries Correction 605 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:15
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 536 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 14:24
Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 646 DScribr 14-Sep-16 03:25
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 633 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 15:15
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 638 DScribr 14-Sep-16 16:04
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 613 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 21:44
Fringe-in-denial.... .... 635 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:34
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 532 cladking 15-Sep-16 18:35
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 516 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 19:40
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 595 cladking 15-Sep-16 19:56
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 583 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 20:53
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 601 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 22:10
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 661 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:06
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 576 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 09:17
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 565 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:37
Life Unfair! 621 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:36
Wadi el Jarf evidence exists 574 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:14
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists...or does it?!? 746 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:09
Re: It wasn't 649 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 12:37
Got Pics? 577 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:17
Re: It wasn't 1081 M. J. Thomas 09-Sep-16 13:09
Re: It wasn't 625 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:26
Re: It wasn't 621 eyeofhorus33 09-Sep-16 15:54
Re: It wasn't 627 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 15:56
Re: Saqqara 662 Thunderbird 09-Sep-16 17:01
Re: Saqqara 659 cladking 09-Sep-16 17:18
Re: Djedefre. ...your Fired ! 614 Thunderbird 10-Sep-16 03:38
Re: It wasn't 573 Steve Clayton 10-Sep-16 01:08
Re: It wasn't 683 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 17:02
Re: It wasn't 770 Martin Stower 10-Sep-16 20:49
Re: It wasn't 702 Martin Stower 10-Sep-16 21:33
Re: It wasn't 613 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 00:53
Re: It wasn't 590 Martin Stower 12-Sep-16 20:43
Re: It wasn't 645 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 02:37
Re: It wasn't 659 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 14:57
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 625 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 16:20
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 619 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 16:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 625 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 17:18
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 567 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 18:00
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 520 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 17:30
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 583 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 18:11
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 624 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 22:12
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 603 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 23:08
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 607 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 23:26
Lifting IS Required. 663 DScribr 14-Sep-16 12:35
Re: Lifting IS Required. 528 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 16:16
Re: Lifting IS Required. 657 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 16:43
Re: Lifting IS Required. 572 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 16:51
Re: Lifting IS Required. 655 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 18:16
Re: Lifting IS Required. 633 M. J. Thomas 14-Sep-16 18:35
Re: Lifting IS Required. 590 randompHactor 14-Sep-16 19:28
Re: Lifting IS Required. 602 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 20:01
Re: Lifting IS Required. 645 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 19:03
Re: Lifting IS Required. 940 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 20:02
Re: Lifting IS Required. 628 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 20:13
Re: Lifting IS Required. 688 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 21:58
Re: Lifting IS Required. 567 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:18
Re: Lifting IS Required. 546 Steve Clayton 15-Sep-16 01:05
Re: Lifting IS Required. 789 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 20:38
Re: Lifting IS Required. 698 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 22:39
Re: Lifting IS Required. 441 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:18
Re: Lifting IS Required. 577 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 23:32
Re: Lifting IS Required. 587 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:55
Re: Lifting IS Required. 630 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 09:09
Re: Lifting IS Required. 612 Steve Clayton 14-Sep-16 19:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 566 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 17:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 543 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 17:38
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 554 Steve Clayton 16-Sep-16 12:38
The Pharaoh's House 604 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:14
Water 480 D-Archer 21-Sep-16 11:28
Re: Water 575 cladking 21-Sep-16 13:37
Saw pit? 624 Apap 22-Sep-16 00:13
Great idea. 497 cladking 22-Sep-16 02:00
Re: Great idea. 615 Apap 22-Sep-16 18:22
Re: Great idea. 641 cladking 22-Sep-16 19:13
Re: Saw pit? 680 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:52


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