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Origyptian Wrote:
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> Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> >
> > ...You have no idea if
> > they were ever "repurposed" and are just making up
> > whatever. And isn't it odd that after all this
> > "pillaging" you keep claiming went on the only
> > stuff left over were OK artifacts? Weird.
> > Again-where does he say they were "breached and
> > pillaged" after they were closed and abandoned in
> > the 4th Dynasty (possibly beginning of the 5th)
> > let alone as you now say he claims says Wadi
> > al-Jarf was in "active use which exceeded a full
> > millennium"?
>
> For that matter, you have no idea whether those
> galleries were actually ever "closed and
> abandoned" in the 4th Dynasty. This is a
> speculation presented by Tallet based on scant
> evidence. As far as I can tell from the
> literature, all of those 30 galleries at el-Jarf
> were found almost completely empty except for some
> broken pottery, charred wood, and a some tattered
> segments of papyrus, the latter buried in the
> rubble at the entrance outside (NOT
> inside) the gallery (see Fig. 12 in "The Harbor of
> Khufu.."). If those galleries were emptied before
> they were sealed, then why bother sealing them
> with such a "complex and massive closing
> system" in the first place?
>
> For all we know, the Bedouins likely knew every
> square meter of that part of the Egyptian desert,
> and it's reasonable that they were well aware of
> those galleries. Likewise, they may not have been
> very respectful of pharaonic property, and so they
> (and/or other local tribes) may have freely
> pillaged those galleries, and the artifacts that
> were found in there by Tallet may simply have been
> what those locals left behind as useless, such as
> cracked pottery and some charred boat wood (again,
> the main deposit of papyri was found in the rubble
> outside of the galleries). How can Tallet
> be sure that his observation of "layers of
> occupation" at those galleries isn't evidence of
> desert nomads after the 4th Dynasty, and that the
> Old Kingdom artifacts found there don't simply
> represent the final stage of a much longer (e.g.,
> earlier) occupation/use of those galleries?
>
> That aside, the first clue that the galleries were
> "breached" (if they ever really were sealed) was
> Tallet's statement "In each case it was
> possible to recognize at the entrances the
> remains of a complex and massive closing
> system.". He certainly doesn't describe any
> closure system as intact. He never states he had
> to break the seal formed by the portcullis system,
> or even move any portcullis stone to gain access
> to any gallery. All of his photos show a fully
> breached gallery, i.e., Fig. 3 and Fig. 11 in "The
> Harbor of Khufu".
>
> The second clue that the galleries were breached
> long ago was Wilkinson's observation with Burton
> in 1832: "Near the ruins is a small knoll
> containing eighteen excavated chambers, beside,
> perhaps, many others the entrance of which are no
> longer visible. We...found them to be catacombs;
> they are well cut, and vary from about eighty to
> twenty-four feet..." Those "catacombs" were
> already breached when Wilkinson stumbled on them,
> and Tallet reframed them simply as storage
> galleries. If those galleries weren't sealed when
> discovered by the European explorers in the 19th
> century, then it's fair to characterize those
> galleries has having been "breached" since the
> time of any alleged closure back in the Old
> Kingdom.
>
> Likewise, in Tallet's paper on Ayn Sukhna and Wadi
> ell-Jarf, Tallet's photos also show breached
> galleries. And the same for "An Early Pharaonic
> Harbour on the Red Sea Coast" which includes this
> reference to a "portcullis block at the
> entrance" which doesn't actually block the
> entrance at all:



> ...and likewise for Fig 17 in that same paper.
>
> As a sidebar comment, the narrowing at the
> entrance to the gallery along with the stone
> that's placed as an "obstacle" in front of the
> entrance (as seen in the above photo) are very
> similar to what David Peacock observed at the
> repurposed entrance to the "Fort" at Mons
> Claudianus (some distance to the south of el-Jarf,
> also in the Eastern Desert of Egypt) which was
> modified to add a "threshold" step and also a
> narrowing to the entrance in a later construction
> phase performed by the Romans. Interestingly,
> Wilkinson (who I think also originally discovered
> Mons Claudianus) interpreted the el-Jarf galleries
> to be catacombs that were constructed during the
> Greco-Roman period since he observed what he
> considered to be evidence of cremation and noted
> that the Egyptians did not burn their dead.
> Whether that evidence of cremation was
> misinterpreted or lost by the time Tallet arrived
> is unclear. If the galleries were constructed by
> Egyptians but were used for Greco-Roman cremation
> in a later era, this certainly supports
> repurposing, as does Wilkinson's observation that
> those galleries already had been breached prior to
> his discovery of them.
>
> It may very well be true that the galleries were
> indeed closed toward the end of the 4th Dynasty.
> But we really do not know that with certainty,
> especially since Ayn Sukhna was used from OK to NK
> a few miles to the north of el-Jarf, and those
> galleries have have never been reported as being
> observed as unbreached. Considering that Wilkinson
> and others stumbled upon these breached galleries
> in relatively modern times, it's fair to assume
> many others have visited them over the centuries,
> investigated them, and took anything they found of
> any value there. And so to assert that Tallet
> found those breached galleries in the same
> condition as the day they might have been closed
> 4500 years ago (no evidence for that) despite them
> having been discovered unbreached, and that they
> housed the same artifacts as back then for all
> those millennia, is simply unrealistic.
>
> Meanwhile, I have no idea why Dscribr insists
> those galleries were "UNBREACHED" since all of the
> evidence indicates otherwise.
>
> Regarding my comment about Tallet claiming that
> galleries were used for a millennium, that was at
> Ayn Sukhna a similar harbor/gallery complext
> located a bit to the north of el-Jarf. Sorry about
> the mixup.

So your grounds for claiming this:

“Tallet fully acknowledges that those galleries were breached and pillaged untold centuries ago.”

http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?1,1065133,1065663#msg-1065663

—are that Tallet did not say that they were not “breached and pillaged”. Right. Thanks for that: a perfect example of your extraordinarily arbitrary and biased approach to the text.

“This is a speculation presented by Tallet based on scant evidence. As far as I can tell . . . For all we know . . . it's reasonable that . . . may not have been . . . may have freely pillaged . . . may simply have been . . . How can Tallet be sure . . . the first clue . . . The second clue . . . it's fair to characterize . . . we really do not know . . . it's fair to assume . . .”

See the problem? I’m sure everyone else does. It’s far from clear that you are any judge on the question of speculation. You have a notable blind spot for your own.

The Bedouin, is it? Care to cite any evidence at all of the Bedouin having been there? One identifiable thing? Same for the Greeks and Romans. Not one Latin graffito? Shame! Not exactly Pompeii, is it?

Will you be telling us next that some of the Bedouin (or Greeks, or Romans) had the curious hobby of forging Old Kingdom inscriptions and papyri? Seeing as how you’ve already told us that the painted inscriptions could have been applied “at any time”:

http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?1,1065133,1065663#msg-1065663

Care to be more specific?

Certainly we have from you the usual excuse of a posited process which conveniently removes all of the “lost civilisation” stuff and leaves only the ancient Egyptian stuff. Can you even spell “ad hoc”?

Where does it say that the photographs you reference show the entrances to the galleries as originally discovered? Seems to me rather obvious that they show them as revealed by excavation. Let us note that you question the galleries having been sealed in the first place, which makes your talk of of the galleries having been “breached” what I called it, melodrama, while the “pillaging” is also what I called it: mere assertion, unevidenced and dogmatic.

Inference from assumed intrusion post-4th dynasty to intrusion pre-4th dynasty (which seems to have been quietly set aside here) is of course entirely gratuitous and speculative.

Past time you stopped trying to bamboozle readers of this board with your empty speculations, Doc.

M.

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Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 4732 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 03:30
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 853 eyeofhorus33 04-Sep-16 06:28
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 785 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 19:18
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 832 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 08:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 835 DUNE 04-Sep-16 10:12
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 798 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 10:24
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 817 DUNE 04-Sep-16 10:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 726 DUNE 04-Sep-16 11:22
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 814 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 18:16
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 728 DUNE 04-Sep-16 18:23
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 748 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 18:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 756 cladking 04-Sep-16 21:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 644 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 21:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 771 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 06:09
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 690 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 16:24
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 774 Jon Ellison 05-Sep-16 17:14
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 655 cladking 05-Sep-16 22:10
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 786 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 11:26
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 814 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 17:03
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 602 Steve Clayton 04-Sep-16 18:25
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 774 Steve Clayton 04-Sep-16 18:55
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 707 cladking 04-Sep-16 20:21
Boats R Us 639 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:16
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 726 jamesglory 08-Sep-16 06:06
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 636 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 18:09
Re: Khufu's Boats used in their Pits 669 DScribr 09-Sep-16 18:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 739 jamesglory 16-Sep-16 05:45
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 734 jamesglory 26-Sep-16 13:22
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 623 cladking 26-Sep-16 14:17
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 592 Thanos5150 27-Sep-16 00:17
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 788 jamesglory 27-Sep-16 06:43
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 752 Thanos5150 27-Sep-16 17:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 615 DUNE 15-Oct-16 10:58
Khufu I/Block 20 535 Dr. Troglodyte 15-Oct-16 18:13
Re: Khufu I/Block 20 645 Thanos5150 15-Oct-16 21:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 644 Origyptian 18-Oct-16 00:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 624 DUNE 18-Oct-16 07:56
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 669 Thanos5150 18-Oct-16 16:50
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 551 DUNE 18-Oct-16 17:00
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 711 Thanos5150 18-Oct-16 17:36
Re: Khufu's Boats-to be built by others..... 724 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:07
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 778 cladking 04-Sep-16 20:26
Re: Water erosion 845 Thunderbird 05-Sep-16 14:36
Re: Water erosion 655 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 16:18
Re: Water erosion 782 Steve Clayton 05-Sep-16 16:50
Re: Water erosion 597 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 17:46
Re: Water erosion 729 Steve Clayton 05-Sep-16 22:12
Re: Water erosion 644 Steve Clayton 05-Sep-16 16:58
Re: Water erosion 629 eyeofhorus33 05-Sep-16 17:29
Re: Water erosion 691 Merrell 05-Sep-16 17:46
Re:Control the conversation.....tantrum. ... 720 Thunderbird 05-Sep-16 20:14
Re: Re:Control the conversation.....tantrum. ... 722 Martin Stower 05-Sep-16 20:55
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 698 Thunderbird 06-Sep-16 04:57
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 713 Martin Stower 06-Sep-16 21:06
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 626 cladking 06-Sep-16 21:51
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 736 Jon Ellison 06-Sep-16 21:56
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 712 Martin Stower 06-Sep-16 23:21
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 641 cladking 07-Sep-16 00:11
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 529 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:23
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 655 cladking 07-Sep-16 19:07
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 652 DScribr 08-Sep-16 01:17
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 713 cladking 08-Sep-16 13:39
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 644 Origyptian 08-Sep-16 23:56
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 581 cladking 09-Sep-16 00:52
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 599 Martin Stower 06-Sep-16 23:13
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 834 cladking 07-Sep-16 00:17
Stream of Consciousness 701 eyeofhorus33 06-Sep-16 19:33
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 678 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 12:55
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 638 cladking 06-Sep-16 14:03
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 640 Steve Clayton 06-Sep-16 17:28
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 613 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 18:08
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 617 Steve Clayton 07-Sep-16 12:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 637 cladking 07-Sep-16 14:19
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 661 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 18:23
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 654 Jon Ellison 06-Sep-16 18:34
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 684 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 19:16
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 650 Jon Ellison 06-Sep-16 23:38
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 910 Thanos5150 06-Sep-16 23:41
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 646 Steve Clayton 07-Sep-16 14:17
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 618 cladking 07-Sep-16 14:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 670 Steve Clayton 07-Sep-16 15:46
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 681 cladking 07-Sep-16 16:24
Galleries :: Graves 750 Dr. Troglodyte 08-Sep-16 23:33
Re: Galleries :: Graves 693 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 00:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 868 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 03:32
Re: Galleries :: Graves 660 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:21
Re: Galleries :: Graves 602 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 16:52
Re: Galleries :: Graves 790 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 19:00
Re: Galleries :: Graves 660 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 21:54
Re: Galleries :: Graves 635 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 23:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 666 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 23:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 641 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 05:50
Re: Galleries :: Graves 706 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 06:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 675 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 17:29
Re: Galleries :: Graves 807 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 21:06
Re: Galleries :: Graves 666 cladking 10-Sep-16 21:30
Re: Galleries :: Graves 759 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 15:06
Re: Galleries :: Graves 702 Thunderbird 12-Sep-16 15:36
Re: Galleries :: Graves 613 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 01:41
Re: Galleries :: Graves 672 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 02:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 691 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 04:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 803 Morten 13-Sep-16 09:05
Thanks for the link 635 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:04
Re: Galleries :: Graves 699 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 602 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 17:03
Boat Graves-one answer. 679 DScribr 13-Sep-16 17:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 581 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 02:57
Re: Galleries :: Graves 646 cladking 09-Sep-16 03:25
Close enough 679 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:02
Re: Close enough 562 cladking 09-Sep-16 21:03
Re: Close enough 676 DScribr 10-Sep-16 00:33
Re: Close enough 677 cladking 10-Sep-16 01:09
Re: Galleries :: Graves 632 Dr. Troglodyte 09-Sep-16 15:43
Re: Galleries :: Graves 615 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 18:02
It wasn't 677 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:06
Re: It wasn't 720 Origyptian 08-Sep-16 23:45
At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 645 DScribr 09-Sep-16 01:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 656 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 12:55
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists!!! 661 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 621 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:06
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 720 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 14:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 625 cladking 09-Sep-16 14:35
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 779 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 19:22
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 717 Jon Ellison 09-Sep-16 20:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 702 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 21:41
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 693 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 22:17
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 669 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 16:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 668 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 21:39
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 733 DScribr 11-Sep-16 02:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 607 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 03:27
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 953 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 01:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 641 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 03:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 716 cladking 12-Sep-16 03:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 683 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 17:48
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 652 Martin Stower 12-Sep-16 20:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 639 cladking 12-Sep-16 20:49
Re: Shred of evidence : ) 666 Thunderbird 12-Sep-16 21:19
Re: Shred of evidence : ) 646 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 00:00
Sphinx 661 DScribr 13-Sep-16 00:43
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 682 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 21:04
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 624 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 00:21
Mainstream evidence still exists.... 558 DScribr 13-Sep-16 00:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 613 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 04:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 621 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 04:31
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 597 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 13:27
Ergo, Adaption! 512 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:33
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 572 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 15:52
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 668 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 16:47
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 572 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 16:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 769 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 16:58
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 561 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 18:15
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 637 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 588 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 694 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 00:38
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 576 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 02:24
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 538 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 16:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 605 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 16:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 631 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 614 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 20:19
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 585 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 620 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 614 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 02:12
Overruled!!! 516 DScribr 14-Sep-16 03:12
Re: Overruled!!! 648 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:02
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 573 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 12:19
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 594 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 17:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 626 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:17
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 593 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:22
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 607 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:39
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 657 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:51
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 649 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 00:55
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 607 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:30
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 519 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:37
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 641 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 565 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 23:51
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 639 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 00:56
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 548 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 01:33
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 629 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 02:34
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 600 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 12:00
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 644 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:30
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 606 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 15:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 655 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 18:39
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 608 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 22:36
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 611 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 23:17
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 630 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 23:34
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 529 Origyptian 16-Sep-16 20:37
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 700 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 23:52
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 634 DScribr 17-Sep-16 00:45
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 704 Jon Ellison 17-Sep-16 07:45
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 637 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 15:56
A polite and academic style of writing. 575 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:35
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 616 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 15:25
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 642 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 16:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 587 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 17:59
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 624 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 20:57
MS and DScribr are really the same person!!!.......Film @ 11. 632 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 625 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 22:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 566 Martin Stower 18-Sep-16 00:27
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 623 Thanos5150 18-Sep-16 00:52
Misleading still exists... 606 DScribr 18-Sep-16 01:26
Re: Misleading still exists... 584 randompHactor 18-Sep-16 02:45
Re: Misleading still exists... 608 Barbelo 18-Sep-16 11:32
Re: Misleading still exists... 630 DScribr 18-Sep-16 13:55
Re: Misleading still exists... 587 randompHactor 18-Sep-16 15:16
Re: Misleading still exists... 484 DScribr 18-Sep-16 19:30
Re: Misleading still exists... 597 Origyptian 18-Sep-16 20:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 580 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 18:45
Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 551 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:40
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 626 Origyptian 18-Sep-16 20:53
Re: STILL Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 751 DScribr 19-Sep-16 00:41
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 653 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 17:50
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 485 cladking 19-Sep-16 18:06
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 519 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:06
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 736 cladking 20-Sep-16 14:29
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 611 Jon Ellison 20-Sep-16 16:46
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 675 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:34
They were sealed during the late 4th D. 658 DScribr 20-Sep-16 17:23
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 543 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:44
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 698 Jon Ellison 24-Sep-16 20:03
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 600 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 03:52
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 599 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:29
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 649 Thanos5150 17-Sep-16 18:01
Mainstream evidence exists... 637 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:49
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 605 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 21:56
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 598 Thanos5150 17-Sep-16 23:53
Summary perspective of el-Jarf 643 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 20:30
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 632 Martin Stower 19-Sep-16 22:55
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 620 Thanos5150 19-Sep-16 23:40
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 632 Corpuscles 20-Sep-16 00:43
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 618 Thanos5150 20-Sep-16 02:05
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 605 Corpuscles 20-Sep-16 23:50
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 615 cladking 21-Sep-16 00:38
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 585 Origyptian 20-Sep-16 05:09
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 670 Martin Stower 20-Sep-16 10:10
'The Truth' 609 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:20
Re: 'The Truth' 527 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:31
Re: 'The Truth' 642 Martin Stower 24-Sep-16 00:41
Re: 'The Truth' 638 Origyptian 24-Sep-16 17:11
Re: 'The Truth' 673 Martin Stower 24-Sep-16 19:21
Re: 'The Truth' 642 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 04:13
Re: 'The Truth' 701 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 13:30
Re: 'The Truth' 596 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 15:45
Re: 'The Truth' 614 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 18:15
Re: 'The Truth' 567 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 18:35
Re: 'The Truth' 579 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 19:09
Tallet Misrepresented by Ori.......... 592 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:18
Perspective vs Fact 581 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:12
Re: Perspective vs Fact 591 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:28
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 679 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 23:20
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 611 DScribr 16-Sep-16 00:40
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 585 Origyptian 16-Sep-16 01:53
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 599 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 14:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists...whether read-or not! 607 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:17
Galleries Correction 594 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:15
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 525 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 14:24
Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 623 DScribr 14-Sep-16 03:25
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 622 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 15:15
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 627 DScribr 14-Sep-16 16:04
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 600 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 21:44
Fringe-in-denial.... .... 626 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:34
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 522 cladking 15-Sep-16 18:35
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 506 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 19:40
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 583 cladking 15-Sep-16 19:56
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 572 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 20:53
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 592 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 22:10
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 649 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:06
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 564 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 09:17
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 556 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:37
Life Unfair! 611 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:36
Wadi el Jarf evidence exists 564 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:14
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists...or does it?!? 700 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:09
Re: It wasn't 640 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 12:37
Got Pics? 568 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:17
Re: It wasn't 1070 M. J. Thomas 09-Sep-16 13:09
Re: It wasn't 616 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:26
Re: It wasn't 611 eyeofhorus33 09-Sep-16 15:54
Re: It wasn't 580 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 15:56
Re: Saqqara 653 Thunderbird 09-Sep-16 17:01
Re: Saqqara 652 cladking 09-Sep-16 17:18
Re: Djedefre. ...your Fired ! 603 Thunderbird 10-Sep-16 03:38
Re: It wasn't 566 Steve Clayton 10-Sep-16 01:08
Re: It wasn't 674 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 17:02
Re: It wasn't 762 Martin Stower 10-Sep-16 20:49
Re: It wasn't 687 Martin Stower 10-Sep-16 21:33
Re: It wasn't 605 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 00:53
Re: It wasn't 581 Martin Stower 12-Sep-16 20:43
Re: It wasn't 638 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 02:37
Re: It wasn't 650 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 14:57
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 617 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 16:20
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 608 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 16:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 617 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 17:18
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 558 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 18:00
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 513 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 17:30
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 574 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 18:11
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 612 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 22:12
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 593 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 23:08
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 594 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 23:26
Lifting IS Required. 652 DScribr 14-Sep-16 12:35
Re: Lifting IS Required. 515 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 16:16
Re: Lifting IS Required. 647 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 16:43
Re: Lifting IS Required. 559 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 16:51
Re: Lifting IS Required. 645 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 18:16
Re: Lifting IS Required. 598 M. J. Thomas 14-Sep-16 18:35
Re: Lifting IS Required. 580 randompHactor 14-Sep-16 19:28
Re: Lifting IS Required. 591 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 20:01
Re: Lifting IS Required. 635 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 19:03
Re: Lifting IS Required. 830 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 20:02
Re: Lifting IS Required. 593 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 20:13
Re: Lifting IS Required. 675 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 21:58
Re: Lifting IS Required. 559 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:18
Re: Lifting IS Required. 531 Steve Clayton 15-Sep-16 01:05
Re: Lifting IS Required. 780 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 20:38
Re: Lifting IS Required. 687 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 22:39
Re: Lifting IS Required. 429 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:18
Re: Lifting IS Required. 569 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 23:32
Re: Lifting IS Required. 577 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:55
Re: Lifting IS Required. 620 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 09:09
Re: Lifting IS Required. 602 Steve Clayton 14-Sep-16 19:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 556 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 17:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 535 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 17:38
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 542 Steve Clayton 16-Sep-16 12:38
The Pharaoh's House 594 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:14
Water 472 D-Archer 21-Sep-16 11:28
Re: Water 567 cladking 21-Sep-16 13:37
Saw pit? 614 Apap 22-Sep-16 00:13
Great idea. 488 cladking 22-Sep-16 02:00
Re: Great idea. 605 Apap 22-Sep-16 18:22
Re: Great idea. 632 cladking 22-Sep-16 19:13
Re: Saw pit? 673 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:52


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