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Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> Origyptian Wrote:
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> What positive evidence can you provide Wadi
> al-Jarf predates the 4th Dynasty?
>
> What evidence would qualify under your as yet
> unknown "higher standard of proof" that could date
> Wadi al-Jarf or any other site for that matter?

First of all, I never said el-Jarf definitely predates the 4th Dynasty. I said it was possible, not definite. It's another possibility since it's not been proven in fact to have been built in the 4th Dynasty.

Second, you are incorrectly applying my standard of proof. My standard of proof simply says that insufficient proof has been offered to authenticate the claim that el-Jarf was indisputably constructed in the 4th Dynasty -- likewise, insufficient proof has been offered to substantiate the claim that all those "boat pits" were originally designed to house boats. Greater proof is required than the circumstantial evidence presented so far. For example, regarding el-Jarf and the boat pits:

    El-Jarf was already breached long ago, so whatever was found inside it (and the boat pits as well) is subject to the possibility of adaption.

    Insufficient evidence has been discovered at el-Jarf to ascertain whether it was originally constructed to be a storage facility associated with that harbor. The walls of those galleries show signs of significant erosion which seem to contradict a 4th Dynasty provenance.

    None of the evidence found at el-Jarf contradicts the possibility that any construction project implied by the glyphs found there might be referring to a restoration, repair, or additional ancillary construction on Giza rather than referring specifically to the original construction of the great monuments. The pyramids, Sphinx, etc. already may have been ancient during the use of el-Jarf as an OK harbor.

    No explanation has been given for how red painted glyphs on the limestone blocks at el-Jarf could have survived so vividly for millennia out there in the open air with full access to the elements when Jenkins reported that glyphs found on limestone blocks that were protected inside the first boat pit (presumably since they were initially painted) suddenly became "almost illegible" after only 25 years of exposure to the environment, and that's after the glyphs had been coated with preservative and protected from the sun and weather by a series of wooden boards soon after the boat pit was opened.

    No explanation has been given for rectangular vs. tapered boat pits as well as their wide assortment of sizes, construction, clustering, position, and orientation. I have difficulty with the associative dating method that seems to automatically attribute any boat pit to the OK since that's where all the others have been attributed. In my opinion, such a predilection to ensuring self-consistency without supporting it with definitive evidence can be extremely problematic and can result in contrivances such as "intermediate periods" in which we are expected to ignore notions such as "70 kings in 70 days" as a means to allow a flawed timeline to "catch up".

    No explanation for why the ancients preferred the far greater effort to hew an open pit and quarry 600 tons of masonry to cover the pit rather than the far quicker, simpler, and cheaper approach of excavating an elongated cave which requires the removal of a significantly lower volume of stone, and which precludes the need to quarry, shape, and manipulate those dozens of 15 ton slabs that are far more problematic in establishing a "sealed" pit, and also would provide far greater security since it would be much more difficult to discern the existence of the pit from ground level.

    Traditionalists have yet to adequately explain why some boats required the extra effort to be buried in an open pit covered with dozens of megalith blocks while others, such as at el-Jarf, seem to have been placed in caves hewn into bedrock while other caves have been shows to be used for funerary purposes. I realize you have drawn a distinction between "storage" and "grave", but I consider that to be speculation as a possible way to explain the discrepancy and not an indication of definitive evidence. There are plenty of "graves" that have been discovered in caves, such as those throughout the Valley of the Kings.

    The above ground, mud-brick-walled, fleet-moored "boat graves" are a vastly different genre than the individual "boat pit" hewn entirely into bedrock.

    There is scant evidence that boat pits were actually constructed for the funerary purpose attributed to them today.

From what I've seen in the evidence, adaption remains a distinct possibility.



> If in fact Wadi al-Jarf did predate the 4th
> Dynasty, which you must have some evidence for to
> keeping claiming such despite all the evidence to
> the contrary...

There is no evidence to the contrary. Everyting that's been attributed to the 4th Dynasty at el-Jarf could be the result of adapation. Nothing contradicts that possibility, and so it must remain a possibility.



> ...given as I have mentioned the
> numerous archaic Dynastic boat graves at Abydos...

A very different genre than the individual boat "pits" found around the megalithic monuments.


> ...(not to mention Helwan and Saqqara) and the
> predynastic rock art found between the Red Sea and
> Abydos depicting sailors dragging such boats
> across the desert; is not possible if most likely
> the AE of the OK merely reused an already existing
> harbor originally built in the archaic Dynastic
> period?

Likewise for the boat pits. But why stop at "archaic Dynastic"? The condition of the galleries at el-Jarf seem to date those galleries far older than anything dynastic. And there are many monoliths on Giza at 50, 75, or 100+ tons each, many made of Aswan granite, that contradict an early dynastic provenance. So yes, "reused", and for a purpose that may have been different than what was intended for the original construction. I've been proposing "adaption" (not just adoption) as a possibility for quite some time.

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Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 10-Sep-16 17:42 by Origyptian.

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Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 4730 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 03:30
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 852 eyeofhorus33 04-Sep-16 06:28
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 785 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 19:18
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 832 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 08:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 834 DUNE 04-Sep-16 10:12
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 798 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 10:24
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 817 DUNE 04-Sep-16 10:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 725 DUNE 04-Sep-16 11:22
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 814 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 18:16
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 727 DUNE 04-Sep-16 18:23
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 746 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 18:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 755 cladking 04-Sep-16 21:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 643 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 21:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 770 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 06:09
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 689 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 16:24
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 773 Jon Ellison 05-Sep-16 17:14
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 655 cladking 05-Sep-16 22:10
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 786 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 11:26
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 814 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 17:03
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 601 Steve Clayton 04-Sep-16 18:25
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 773 Steve Clayton 04-Sep-16 18:55
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 706 cladking 04-Sep-16 20:21
Boats R Us 639 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:16
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 725 jamesglory 08-Sep-16 06:06
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 635 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 18:09
Re: Khufu's Boats used in their Pits 669 DScribr 09-Sep-16 18:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 739 jamesglory 16-Sep-16 05:45
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 734 jamesglory 26-Sep-16 13:22
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 623 cladking 26-Sep-16 14:17
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 592 Thanos5150 27-Sep-16 00:17
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 787 jamesglory 27-Sep-16 06:43
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 752 Thanos5150 27-Sep-16 17:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 615 DUNE 15-Oct-16 10:58
Khufu I/Block 20 534 Dr. Troglodyte 15-Oct-16 18:13
Re: Khufu I/Block 20 645 Thanos5150 15-Oct-16 21:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 643 Origyptian 18-Oct-16 00:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 624 DUNE 18-Oct-16 07:56
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 669 Thanos5150 18-Oct-16 16:50
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 551 DUNE 18-Oct-16 17:00
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 710 Thanos5150 18-Oct-16 17:36
Re: Khufu's Boats-to be built by others..... 724 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:07
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 777 cladking 04-Sep-16 20:26
Re: Water erosion 844 Thunderbird 05-Sep-16 14:36
Re: Water erosion 654 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 16:18
Re: Water erosion 781 Steve Clayton 05-Sep-16 16:50
Re: Water erosion 596 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 17:46
Re: Water erosion 728 Steve Clayton 05-Sep-16 22:12
Re: Water erosion 644 Steve Clayton 05-Sep-16 16:58
Re: Water erosion 628 eyeofhorus33 05-Sep-16 17:29
Re: Water erosion 691 Merrell 05-Sep-16 17:46
Re:Control the conversation.....tantrum. ... 719 Thunderbird 05-Sep-16 20:14
Re: Re:Control the conversation.....tantrum. ... 722 Martin Stower 05-Sep-16 20:55
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 698 Thunderbird 06-Sep-16 04:57
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 713 Martin Stower 06-Sep-16 21:06
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 625 cladking 06-Sep-16 21:51
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 735 Jon Ellison 06-Sep-16 21:56
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 711 Martin Stower 06-Sep-16 23:21
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 640 cladking 07-Sep-16 00:11
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 529 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:23
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 654 cladking 07-Sep-16 19:07
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 651 DScribr 08-Sep-16 01:17
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 712 cladking 08-Sep-16 13:39
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 644 Origyptian 08-Sep-16 23:56
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 580 cladking 09-Sep-16 00:52
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 598 Martin Stower 06-Sep-16 23:13
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 832 cladking 07-Sep-16 00:17
Stream of Consciousness 701 eyeofhorus33 06-Sep-16 19:33
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 676 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 12:55
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 637 cladking 06-Sep-16 14:03
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 639 Steve Clayton 06-Sep-16 17:28
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 612 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 18:08
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 617 Steve Clayton 07-Sep-16 12:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 637 cladking 07-Sep-16 14:19
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 660 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 18:23
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 653 Jon Ellison 06-Sep-16 18:34
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 681 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 19:16
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 649 Jon Ellison 06-Sep-16 23:38
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 909 Thanos5150 06-Sep-16 23:41
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 645 Steve Clayton 07-Sep-16 14:17
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 616 cladking 07-Sep-16 14:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 669 Steve Clayton 07-Sep-16 15:46
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 681 cladking 07-Sep-16 16:24
Galleries :: Graves 749 Dr. Troglodyte 08-Sep-16 23:33
Re: Galleries :: Graves 692 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 00:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 866 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 03:32
Re: Galleries :: Graves 660 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:21
Re: Galleries :: Graves 601 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 16:52
Re: Galleries :: Graves 789 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 19:00
Re: Galleries :: Graves 659 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 21:54
Re: Galleries :: Graves 634 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 23:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 666 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 23:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 641 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 05:50
Re: Galleries :: Graves 706 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 06:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 674 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 17:29
Re: Galleries :: Graves 807 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 21:06
Re: Galleries :: Graves 666 cladking 10-Sep-16 21:30
Re: Galleries :: Graves 759 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 15:06
Re: Galleries :: Graves 701 Thunderbird 12-Sep-16 15:36
Re: Galleries :: Graves 613 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 01:41
Re: Galleries :: Graves 671 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 02:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 690 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 04:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 803 Morten 13-Sep-16 09:05
Thanks for the link 634 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:04
Re: Galleries :: Graves 698 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 602 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 17:03
Boat Graves-one answer. 678 DScribr 13-Sep-16 17:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 580 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 02:57
Re: Galleries :: Graves 645 cladking 09-Sep-16 03:25
Close enough 679 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:02
Re: Close enough 562 cladking 09-Sep-16 21:03
Re: Close enough 675 DScribr 10-Sep-16 00:33
Re: Close enough 676 cladking 10-Sep-16 01:09
Re: Galleries :: Graves 631 Dr. Troglodyte 09-Sep-16 15:43
Re: Galleries :: Graves 615 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 18:02
It wasn't 676 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:06
Re: It wasn't 720 Origyptian 08-Sep-16 23:45
At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 645 DScribr 09-Sep-16 01:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 656 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 12:55
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists!!! 660 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 621 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:06
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 719 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 14:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 625 cladking 09-Sep-16 14:35
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 777 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 19:22
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 716 Jon Ellison 09-Sep-16 20:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 701 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 21:41
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 692 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 22:17
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 667 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 16:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 667 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 21:39
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 732 DScribr 11-Sep-16 02:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 606 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 03:27
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 952 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 01:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 641 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 03:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 715 cladking 12-Sep-16 03:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 683 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 17:48
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 652 Martin Stower 12-Sep-16 20:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 638 cladking 12-Sep-16 20:49
Re: Shred of evidence : ) 665 Thunderbird 12-Sep-16 21:19
Re: Shred of evidence : ) 644 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 00:00
Sphinx 661 DScribr 13-Sep-16 00:43
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 682 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 21:04
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 623 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 00:21
Mainstream evidence still exists.... 557 DScribr 13-Sep-16 00:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 613 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 04:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 620 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 04:31
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 596 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 13:27
Ergo, Adaption! 512 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:33
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 571 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 15:52
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 667 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 16:47
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 571 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 16:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 767 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 16:58
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 561 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 18:15
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 635 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 587 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 693 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 00:38
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 576 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 02:24
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 537 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 16:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 603 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 16:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 630 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 613 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 20:19
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 585 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 619 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 613 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 02:12
Overruled!!! 516 DScribr 14-Sep-16 03:12
Re: Overruled!!! 647 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:02
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 572 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 12:19
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 593 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 17:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 626 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:17
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 593 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:22
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 606 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:39
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 656 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:51
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 648 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 00:55
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 607 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:30
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 519 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:37
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 640 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 565 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 23:51
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 638 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 00:56
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 547 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 01:33
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 628 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 02:34
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 598 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 12:00
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 644 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:30
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 605 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 15:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 654 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 18:39
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 607 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 22:36
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 610 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 23:17
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 629 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 23:34
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 529 Origyptian 16-Sep-16 20:37
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 700 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 23:52
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 634 DScribr 17-Sep-16 00:45
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 704 Jon Ellison 17-Sep-16 07:45
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 636 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 15:56
A polite and academic style of writing. 574 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:35
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 615 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 15:25
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 641 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 16:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 587 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 17:59
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 624 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 20:57
MS and DScribr are really the same person!!!.......Film @ 11. 630 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 625 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 22:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 566 Martin Stower 18-Sep-16 00:27
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 622 Thanos5150 18-Sep-16 00:52
Misleading still exists... 606 DScribr 18-Sep-16 01:26
Re: Misleading still exists... 584 randompHactor 18-Sep-16 02:45
Re: Misleading still exists... 608 Barbelo 18-Sep-16 11:32
Re: Misleading still exists... 630 DScribr 18-Sep-16 13:55
Re: Misleading still exists... 586 randompHactor 18-Sep-16 15:16
Re: Misleading still exists... 483 DScribr 18-Sep-16 19:30
Re: Misleading still exists... 597 Origyptian 18-Sep-16 20:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 580 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 18:45
Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 550 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:40
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 625 Origyptian 18-Sep-16 20:53
Re: STILL Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 751 DScribr 19-Sep-16 00:41
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 653 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 17:50
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 484 cladking 19-Sep-16 18:06
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 518 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:06
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 735 cladking 20-Sep-16 14:29
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 610 Jon Ellison 20-Sep-16 16:46
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 674 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:34
They were sealed during the late 4th D. 657 DScribr 20-Sep-16 17:23
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 543 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:44
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 698 Jon Ellison 24-Sep-16 20:03
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 599 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 03:52
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 598 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:29
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 647 Thanos5150 17-Sep-16 18:01
Mainstream evidence exists... 636 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:49
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 604 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 21:56
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 597 Thanos5150 17-Sep-16 23:53
Summary perspective of el-Jarf 643 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 20:30
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 632 Martin Stower 19-Sep-16 22:55
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 619 Thanos5150 19-Sep-16 23:40
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 631 Corpuscles 20-Sep-16 00:43
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 617 Thanos5150 20-Sep-16 02:05
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 605 Corpuscles 20-Sep-16 23:50
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 614 cladking 21-Sep-16 00:38
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 585 Origyptian 20-Sep-16 05:09
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 668 Martin Stower 20-Sep-16 10:10
'The Truth' 609 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:20
Re: 'The Truth' 526 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:31
Re: 'The Truth' 641 Martin Stower 24-Sep-16 00:41
Re: 'The Truth' 637 Origyptian 24-Sep-16 17:11
Re: 'The Truth' 672 Martin Stower 24-Sep-16 19:21
Re: 'The Truth' 641 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 04:13
Re: 'The Truth' 699 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 13:30
Re: 'The Truth' 596 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 15:45
Re: 'The Truth' 614 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 18:15
Re: 'The Truth' 566 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 18:35
Re: 'The Truth' 579 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 19:09
Tallet Misrepresented by Ori.......... 592 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:18
Perspective vs Fact 581 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:12
Re: Perspective vs Fact 590 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:28
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 678 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 23:20
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 610 DScribr 16-Sep-16 00:40
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 584 Origyptian 16-Sep-16 01:53
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 598 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 14:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists...whether read-or not! 606 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:17
Galleries Correction 594 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:15
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 524 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 14:24
Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 622 DScribr 14-Sep-16 03:25
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 622 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 15:15
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 626 DScribr 14-Sep-16 16:04
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 600 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 21:44
Fringe-in-denial.... .... 625 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:34
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 521 cladking 15-Sep-16 18:35
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 506 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 19:40
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 582 cladking 15-Sep-16 19:56
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 571 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 20:53
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 591 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 22:10
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 649 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:06
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 564 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 09:17
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 555 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:37
Life Unfair! 611 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:36
Wadi el Jarf evidence exists 563 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:14
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists...or does it?!? 698 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:09
Re: It wasn't 638 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 12:37
Got Pics? 568 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:17
Re: It wasn't 1069 M. J. Thomas 09-Sep-16 13:09
Re: It wasn't 616 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:26
Re: It wasn't 611 eyeofhorus33 09-Sep-16 15:54
Re: It wasn't 579 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 15:56
Re: Saqqara 653 Thunderbird 09-Sep-16 17:01
Re: Saqqara 651 cladking 09-Sep-16 17:18
Re: Djedefre. ...your Fired ! 603 Thunderbird 10-Sep-16 03:38
Re: It wasn't 565 Steve Clayton 10-Sep-16 01:08
Re: It wasn't 673 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 17:02
Re: It wasn't 761 Martin Stower 10-Sep-16 20:49
Re: It wasn't 687 Martin Stower 10-Sep-16 21:33
Re: It wasn't 604 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 00:53
Re: It wasn't 580 Martin Stower 12-Sep-16 20:43
Re: It wasn't 637 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 02:37
Re: It wasn't 649 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 14:57
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 616 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 16:20
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 607 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 16:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 617 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 17:18
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 558 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 18:00
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 512 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 17:30
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 573 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 18:11
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 611 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 22:12
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 592 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 23:08
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 594 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 23:26
Lifting IS Required. 651 DScribr 14-Sep-16 12:35
Re: Lifting IS Required. 514 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 16:16
Re: Lifting IS Required. 647 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 16:43
Re: Lifting IS Required. 559 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 16:51
Re: Lifting IS Required. 645 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 18:16
Re: Lifting IS Required. 598 M. J. Thomas 14-Sep-16 18:35
Re: Lifting IS Required. 579 randompHactor 14-Sep-16 19:28
Re: Lifting IS Required. 591 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 20:01
Re: Lifting IS Required. 635 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 19:03
Re: Lifting IS Required. 827 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 20:02
Re: Lifting IS Required. 592 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 20:13
Re: Lifting IS Required. 674 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 21:58
Re: Lifting IS Required. 558 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:18
Re: Lifting IS Required. 531 Steve Clayton 15-Sep-16 01:05
Re: Lifting IS Required. 779 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 20:38
Re: Lifting IS Required. 686 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 22:39
Re: Lifting IS Required. 429 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:18
Re: Lifting IS Required. 568 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 23:32
Re: Lifting IS Required. 576 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:55
Re: Lifting IS Required. 620 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 09:09
Re: Lifting IS Required. 602 Steve Clayton 14-Sep-16 19:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 556 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 17:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 534 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 17:38
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 542 Steve Clayton 16-Sep-16 12:38
The Pharaoh's House 593 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:14
Water 472 D-Archer 21-Sep-16 11:28
Re: Water 566 cladking 21-Sep-16 13:37
Saw pit? 613 Apap 22-Sep-16 00:13
Great idea. 488 cladking 22-Sep-16 02:00
Re: Great idea. 605 Apap 22-Sep-16 18:22
Re: Great idea. 632 cladking 22-Sep-16 19:13
Re: Saw pit? 673 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:52


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