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Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> Origyptian Wrote:
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> What positive evidence can you provide Wadi
> al-Jarf predates the 4th Dynasty?
>
> What evidence would qualify under your as yet
> unknown "higher standard of proof" that could date
> Wadi al-Jarf or any other site for that matter?

First of all, I never said el-Jarf definitely predates the 4th Dynasty. I said it was possible, not definite. It's another possibility since it's not been proven in fact to have been built in the 4th Dynasty.

Second, you are incorrectly applying my standard of proof. My standard of proof simply says that insufficient proof has been offered to authenticate the claim that el-Jarf was indisputably constructed in the 4th Dynasty -- likewise, insufficient proof has been offered to substantiate the claim that all those "boat pits" were originally designed to house boats. Greater proof is required than the circumstantial evidence presented so far. For example, regarding el-Jarf and the boat pits:

    El-Jarf was already breached long ago, so whatever was found inside it (and the boat pits as well) is subject to the possibility of adaption.

    Insufficient evidence has been discovered at el-Jarf to ascertain whether it was originally constructed to be a storage facility associated with that harbor. The walls of those galleries show signs of significant erosion which seem to contradict a 4th Dynasty provenance.

    None of the evidence found at el-Jarf contradicts the possibility that any construction project implied by the glyphs found there might be referring to a restoration, repair, or additional ancillary construction on Giza rather than referring specifically to the original construction of the great monuments. The pyramids, Sphinx, etc. already may have been ancient during the use of el-Jarf as an OK harbor.

    No explanation has been given for how red painted glyphs on the limestone blocks at el-Jarf could have survived so vividly for millennia out there in the open air with full access to the elements when Jenkins reported that glyphs found on limestone blocks that were protected inside the first boat pit (presumably since they were initially painted) suddenly became "almost illegible" after only 25 years of exposure to the environment, and that's after the glyphs had been coated with preservative and protected from the sun and weather by a series of wooden boards soon after the boat pit was opened.

    No explanation has been given for rectangular vs. tapered boat pits as well as their wide assortment of sizes, construction, clustering, position, and orientation. I have difficulty with the associative dating method that seems to automatically attribute any boat pit to the OK since that's where all the others have been attributed. In my opinion, such a predilection to ensuring self-consistency without supporting it with definitive evidence can be extremely problematic and can result in contrivances such as "intermediate periods" in which we are expected to ignore notions such as "70 kings in 70 days" as a means to allow a flawed timeline to "catch up".

    No explanation for why the ancients preferred the far greater effort to hew an open pit and quarry 600 tons of masonry to cover the pit rather than the far quicker, simpler, and cheaper approach of excavating an elongated cave which requires the removal of a significantly lower volume of stone, and which precludes the need to quarry, shape, and manipulate those dozens of 15 ton slabs that are far more problematic in establishing a "sealed" pit, and also would provide far greater security since it would be much more difficult to discern the existence of the pit from ground level.

    Traditionalists have yet to adequately explain why some boats required the extra effort to be buried in an open pit covered with dozens of megalith blocks while others, such as at el-Jarf, seem to have been placed in caves hewn into bedrock while other caves have been shows to be used for funerary purposes. I realize you have drawn a distinction between "storage" and "grave", but I consider that to be speculation as a possible way to explain the discrepancy and not an indication of definitive evidence. There are plenty of "graves" that have been discovered in caves, such as those throughout the Valley of the Kings.

    The above ground, mud-brick-walled, fleet-moored "boat graves" are a vastly different genre than the individual "boat pit" hewn entirely into bedrock.

    There is scant evidence that boat pits were actually constructed for the funerary purpose attributed to them today.

From what I've seen in the evidence, adaption remains a distinct possibility.



> If in fact Wadi al-Jarf did predate the 4th
> Dynasty, which you must have some evidence for to
> keeping claiming such despite all the evidence to
> the contrary...

There is no evidence to the contrary. Everyting that's been attributed to the 4th Dynasty at el-Jarf could be the result of adapation. Nothing contradicts that possibility, and so it must remain a possibility.



> ...given as I have mentioned the
> numerous archaic Dynastic boat graves at Abydos...

A very different genre than the individual boat "pits" found around the megalithic monuments.


> ...(not to mention Helwan and Saqqara) and the
> predynastic rock art found between the Red Sea and
> Abydos depicting sailors dragging such boats
> across the desert; is not possible if most likely
> the AE of the OK merely reused an already existing
> harbor originally built in the archaic Dynastic
> period?

Likewise for the boat pits. But why stop at "archaic Dynastic"? The condition of the galleries at el-Jarf seem to date those galleries far older than anything dynastic. And there are many monoliths on Giza at 50, 75, or 100+ tons each, many made of Aswan granite, that contradict an early dynastic provenance. So yes, "reused", and for a purpose that may have been different than what was intended for the original construction. I've been proposing "adaption" (not just adoption) as a possibility for quite some time.

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Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 10-Sep-16 17:42 by Origyptian.

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Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 4630 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 03:30
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 831 eyeofhorus33 04-Sep-16 06:28
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 762 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 19:18
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 812 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 08:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 812 DUNE 04-Sep-16 10:12
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 777 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 10:24
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 794 DUNE 04-Sep-16 10:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 705 DUNE 04-Sep-16 11:22
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 794 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 18:16
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 706 DUNE 04-Sep-16 18:23
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 726 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 18:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 734 cladking 04-Sep-16 21:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 623 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 21:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 750 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 06:09
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 666 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 16:24
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 751 Jon Ellison 05-Sep-16 17:14
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 634 cladking 05-Sep-16 22:10
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 765 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 11:26
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 790 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 17:03
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 578 Steve Clayton 04-Sep-16 18:25
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 750 Steve Clayton 04-Sep-16 18:55
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 686 cladking 04-Sep-16 20:21
Boats R Us 618 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:16
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 702 jamesglory 08-Sep-16 06:06
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 616 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 18:09
Re: Khufu's Boats used in their Pits 649 DScribr 09-Sep-16 18:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 713 jamesglory 16-Sep-16 05:45
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 710 jamesglory 26-Sep-16 13:22
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 600 cladking 26-Sep-16 14:17
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 570 Thanos5150 27-Sep-16 00:17
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 762 jamesglory 27-Sep-16 06:43
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 730 Thanos5150 27-Sep-16 17:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 595 DUNE 15-Oct-16 10:58
Khufu I/Block 20 513 Dr. Troglodyte 15-Oct-16 18:13
Re: Khufu I/Block 20 624 Thanos5150 15-Oct-16 21:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 622 Origyptian 18-Oct-16 00:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 605 DUNE 18-Oct-16 07:56
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 648 Thanos5150 18-Oct-16 16:50
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 531 DUNE 18-Oct-16 17:00
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 687 Thanos5150 18-Oct-16 17:36
Re: Khufu's Boats-to be built by others..... 701 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:07
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 757 cladking 04-Sep-16 20:26
Re: Water erosion 822 Thunderbird 05-Sep-16 14:36
Re: Water erosion 633 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 16:18
Re: Water erosion 757 Steve Clayton 05-Sep-16 16:50
Re: Water erosion 574 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 17:46
Re: Water erosion 709 Steve Clayton 05-Sep-16 22:12
Re: Water erosion 622 Steve Clayton 05-Sep-16 16:58
Re: Water erosion 607 eyeofhorus33 05-Sep-16 17:29
Re: Water erosion 670 Merrell 05-Sep-16 17:46
Re:Control the conversation.....tantrum. ... 700 Thunderbird 05-Sep-16 20:14
Re: Re:Control the conversation.....tantrum. ... 700 Martin Stower 05-Sep-16 20:55
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 676 Thunderbird 06-Sep-16 04:57
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 692 Martin Stower 06-Sep-16 21:06
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 604 cladking 06-Sep-16 21:51
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 714 Jon Ellison 06-Sep-16 21:56
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 689 Martin Stower 06-Sep-16 23:21
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 621 cladking 07-Sep-16 00:11
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 509 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:23
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 633 cladking 07-Sep-16 19:07
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 631 DScribr 08-Sep-16 01:17
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 671 cladking 08-Sep-16 13:39
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 622 Origyptian 08-Sep-16 23:56
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 559 cladking 09-Sep-16 00:52
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 577 Martin Stower 06-Sep-16 23:13
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 785 cladking 07-Sep-16 00:17
Stream of Consciousness 681 eyeofhorus33 06-Sep-16 19:33
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 657 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 12:55
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 616 cladking 06-Sep-16 14:03
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 620 Steve Clayton 06-Sep-16 17:28
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 590 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 18:08
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 595 Steve Clayton 07-Sep-16 12:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 617 cladking 07-Sep-16 14:19
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 640 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 18:23
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 632 Jon Ellison 06-Sep-16 18:34
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 643 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 19:16
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 628 Jon Ellison 06-Sep-16 23:38
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 884 Thanos5150 06-Sep-16 23:41
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 623 Steve Clayton 07-Sep-16 14:17
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 595 cladking 07-Sep-16 14:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 647 Steve Clayton 07-Sep-16 15:46
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 662 cladking 07-Sep-16 16:24
Galleries :: Graves 689 Dr. Troglodyte 08-Sep-16 23:33
Re: Galleries :: Graves 669 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 00:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 845 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 03:32
Re: Galleries :: Graves 638 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:21
Re: Galleries :: Graves 580 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 16:52
Re: Galleries :: Graves 767 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 19:00
Re: Galleries :: Graves 638 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 21:54
Re: Galleries :: Graves 613 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 23:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 645 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 23:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 619 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 05:50
Re: Galleries :: Graves 684 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 06:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 651 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 17:29
Re: Galleries :: Graves 780 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 21:06
Re: Galleries :: Graves 645 cladking 10-Sep-16 21:30
Re: Galleries :: Graves 737 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 15:06
Re: Galleries :: Graves 681 Thunderbird 12-Sep-16 15:36
Re: Galleries :: Graves 591 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 01:41
Re: Galleries :: Graves 650 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 02:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 668 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 04:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 781 Morten 13-Sep-16 09:05
Thanks for the link 612 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:04
Re: Galleries :: Graves 676 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 583 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 17:03
Boat Graves-one answer. 655 DScribr 13-Sep-16 17:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 559 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 02:57
Re: Galleries :: Graves 625 cladking 09-Sep-16 03:25
Close enough 657 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:02
Re: Close enough 542 cladking 09-Sep-16 21:03
Re: Close enough 654 DScribr 10-Sep-16 00:33
Re: Close enough 653 cladking 10-Sep-16 01:09
Re: Galleries :: Graves 611 Dr. Troglodyte 09-Sep-16 15:43
Re: Galleries :: Graves 593 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 18:02
It wasn't 656 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:06
Re: It wasn't 696 Origyptian 08-Sep-16 23:45
At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 622 DScribr 09-Sep-16 01:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 635 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 12:55
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists!!! 610 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 597 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:06
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 648 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 14:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 605 cladking 09-Sep-16 14:35
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 705 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 19:22
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 659 Jon Ellison 09-Sep-16 20:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 679 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 21:41
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 669 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 22:17
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 644 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 16:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 644 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 21:39
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 710 DScribr 11-Sep-16 02:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 584 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 03:27
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 855 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 01:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 618 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 03:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 664 cladking 12-Sep-16 03:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 655 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 17:48
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 632 Martin Stower 12-Sep-16 20:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 618 cladking 12-Sep-16 20:49
Re: Shred of evidence : ) 646 Thunderbird 12-Sep-16 21:19
Re: Shred of evidence : ) 624 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 00:00
Sphinx 639 DScribr 13-Sep-16 00:43
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 662 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 21:04
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 604 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 00:21
Mainstream evidence still exists.... 537 DScribr 13-Sep-16 00:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 592 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 04:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 601 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 04:31
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 576 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 13:27
Ergo, Adaption! 492 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:33
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 552 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 15:52
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 615 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 16:47
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 551 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 16:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 613 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 16:58
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 540 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 18:15
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 613 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 566 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 615 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 00:38
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 554 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 02:24
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 518 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 16:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 585 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 16:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 610 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 593 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 20:19
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 566 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 599 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 593 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 02:12
Overruled!!! 498 DScribr 14-Sep-16 03:12
Re: Overruled!!! 628 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:02
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 551 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 12:19
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 573 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 17:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 605 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:17
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 572 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:22
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 585 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:39
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 637 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:51
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 629 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 00:55
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 585 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:30
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 498 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:37
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 620 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 545 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 23:51
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 616 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 00:56
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 525 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 01:33
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 607 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 02:34
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 578 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 12:00
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 617 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:30
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 585 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 15:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 577 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 18:39
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 585 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 22:36
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 591 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 23:17
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 608 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 23:34
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 510 Origyptian 16-Sep-16 20:37
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 677 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 23:52
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 615 DScribr 17-Sep-16 00:45
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 685 Jon Ellison 17-Sep-16 07:45
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 588 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 15:56
A polite and academic style of writing. 556 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:35
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 594 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 15:25
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 621 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 16:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 566 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 17:59
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 604 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 20:57
MS and DScribr are really the same person!!!.......Film @ 11. 612 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 605 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 22:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 543 Martin Stower 18-Sep-16 00:27
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 596 Thanos5150 18-Sep-16 00:52
Misleading still exists... 584 DScribr 18-Sep-16 01:26
Re: Misleading still exists... 559 randompHactor 18-Sep-16 02:45
Re: Misleading still exists... 582 Barbelo 18-Sep-16 11:32
Re: Misleading still exists... 610 DScribr 18-Sep-16 13:55
Re: Misleading still exists... 565 randompHactor 18-Sep-16 15:16
Re: Misleading still exists... 462 DScribr 18-Sep-16 19:30
Re: Misleading still exists... 576 Origyptian 18-Sep-16 20:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 562 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 18:45
Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 532 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:40
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 606 Origyptian 18-Sep-16 20:53
Re: STILL Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 732 DScribr 19-Sep-16 00:41
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 624 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 17:50
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 466 cladking 19-Sep-16 18:06
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 499 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:06
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 667 cladking 20-Sep-16 14:29
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 590 Jon Ellison 20-Sep-16 16:46
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 654 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:34
They were sealed during the late 4th D. 637 DScribr 20-Sep-16 17:23
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 522 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:44
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 680 Jon Ellison 24-Sep-16 20:03
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 580 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 03:52
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 578 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:29
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 585 Thanos5150 17-Sep-16 18:01
Mainstream evidence exists... 617 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:49
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 585 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 21:56
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 576 Thanos5150 17-Sep-16 23:53
Summary perspective of el-Jarf 587 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 20:30
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 608 Martin Stower 19-Sep-16 22:55
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 600 Thanos5150 19-Sep-16 23:40
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 611 Corpuscles 20-Sep-16 00:43
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 599 Thanos5150 20-Sep-16 02:05
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 585 Corpuscles 20-Sep-16 23:50
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 595 cladking 21-Sep-16 00:38
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 565 Origyptian 20-Sep-16 05:09
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 645 Martin Stower 20-Sep-16 10:10
'The Truth' 589 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:20
Re: 'The Truth' 505 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:31
Re: 'The Truth' 621 Martin Stower 24-Sep-16 00:41
Re: 'The Truth' 616 Origyptian 24-Sep-16 17:11
Re: 'The Truth' 651 Martin Stower 24-Sep-16 19:21
Re: 'The Truth' 622 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 04:13
Re: 'The Truth' 631 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 13:30
Re: 'The Truth' 575 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 15:45
Re: 'The Truth' 584 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 18:15
Re: 'The Truth' 546 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 18:35
Re: 'The Truth' 557 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 19:09
Tallet Misrepresented by Ori.......... 572 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:18
Perspective vs Fact 561 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:12
Re: Perspective vs Fact 570 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:28
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 624 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 23:20
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 587 DScribr 16-Sep-16 00:40
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 564 Origyptian 16-Sep-16 01:53
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 578 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 14:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists...whether read-or not! 586 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:17
Galleries Correction 572 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:15
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 503 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 14:24
Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 550 DScribr 14-Sep-16 03:25
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 599 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 15:15
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 605 DScribr 14-Sep-16 16:04
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 579 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 21:44
Fringe-in-denial.... .... 605 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:34
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 501 cladking 15-Sep-16 18:35
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 485 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 19:40
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 562 cladking 15-Sep-16 19:56
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 551 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 20:53
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 570 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 22:10
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 629 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:06
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 545 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 09:17
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 535 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:37
Life Unfair! 591 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:36
Wadi el Jarf evidence exists 544 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:14
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists...or does it?!? 677 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:09
Re: It wasn't 619 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 12:37
Got Pics? 548 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:17
Re: It wasn't 959 M. J. Thomas 09-Sep-16 13:09
Re: It wasn't 594 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:26
Re: It wasn't 590 eyeofhorus33 09-Sep-16 15:54
Re: It wasn't 526 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 15:56
Re: Saqqara 633 Thunderbird 09-Sep-16 17:01
Re: Saqqara 631 cladking 09-Sep-16 17:18
Re: Djedefre. ...your Fired ! 584 Thunderbird 10-Sep-16 03:38
Re: It wasn't 546 Steve Clayton 10-Sep-16 01:08
Re: It wasn't 651 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 17:02
Re: It wasn't 736 Martin Stower 10-Sep-16 20:49
Re: It wasn't 664 Martin Stower 10-Sep-16 21:33
Re: It wasn't 581 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 00:53
Re: It wasn't 558 Martin Stower 12-Sep-16 20:43
Re: It wasn't 617 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 02:37
Re: It wasn't 584 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 14:57
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 597 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 16:20
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 587 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 16:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 597 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 17:18
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 536 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 18:00
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 491 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 17:30
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 552 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 18:11
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 591 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 22:12
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 571 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 23:08
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 561 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 23:26
Lifting IS Required. 632 DScribr 14-Sep-16 12:35
Re: Lifting IS Required. 494 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 16:16
Re: Lifting IS Required. 625 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 16:43
Re: Lifting IS Required. 541 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 16:51
Re: Lifting IS Required. 625 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 18:16
Re: Lifting IS Required. 569 M. J. Thomas 14-Sep-16 18:35
Re: Lifting IS Required. 561 randompHactor 14-Sep-16 19:28
Re: Lifting IS Required. 570 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 20:01
Re: Lifting IS Required. 614 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 19:03
Re: Lifting IS Required. 729 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 20:02
Re: Lifting IS Required. 572 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 20:13
Re: Lifting IS Required. 656 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 21:58
Re: Lifting IS Required. 536 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:18
Re: Lifting IS Required. 510 Steve Clayton 15-Sep-16 01:05
Re: Lifting IS Required. 753 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 20:38
Re: Lifting IS Required. 667 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 22:39
Re: Lifting IS Required. 410 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:18
Re: Lifting IS Required. 547 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 23:32
Re: Lifting IS Required. 556 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:55
Re: Lifting IS Required. 600 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 09:09
Re: Lifting IS Required. 582 Steve Clayton 14-Sep-16 19:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 538 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 17:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 515 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 17:38
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 524 Steve Clayton 16-Sep-16 12:38
The Pharaoh's House 572 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:14
Water 450 D-Archer 21-Sep-16 11:28
Re: Water 544 cladking 21-Sep-16 13:37
Saw pit? 592 Apap 22-Sep-16 00:13
Great idea. 468 cladking 22-Sep-16 02:00
Re: Great idea. 584 Apap 22-Sep-16 18:22
Re: Great idea. 610 cladking 22-Sep-16 19:13
Re: Saw pit? 651 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:52


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