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Origyptian Wrote:
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> Likewise, there is nothing in the OP that
> addresses the provenance of G1.

Which is on purpose as this is not the point.

> Most boat pits were found empty with no trace of housing any boat remains or of similar covering stones. There are very > conspicuous brown stains that suggest significant depositing of oxidized iron. Has any testing been done for residual
> materials in those empty pits?

Do you have a reference for "most of these boat pits"? I have seen documentation of only a few which some did in fact have remains of what appeared to be boat riggings. Also, a source for the "brown stains" please (Jenkins?).

> As stated by Jon Ellison, why disassemble the entire boat (into 13 layers of stacked wood) rather than keep it intact
> for the afterlife?

As to "why", they obviously had their reasons though they may be unclear to us today. Regardless, since the first boats found at Abydos, Dynastic boats are unique in that they are specifically designed to be taken apart for easy transport across the land and reassembly. At least one reference I have seen notes that one of the few Abydos boats superficially excavated was also at least partially disassembled when buried.

> As stated by DUNE, why not just hew a chamber into bedrock, load the chamber with the wood segments, then apply a
> single plug at the entrance? That would seem to have been a far simpler project and would have better ensured
> protection from moisture and atmosphere contamination.

And as I said, despite the dozens of boat graves found before and after none are made by tunneling a chamber into the bedrock so there is no reason to expect it to be done any differently. The Khufu boat is 143ft in length with single planks being up to 75ft long with a deck house about 12-15ft high and a prow about 30ft. I fail to see how making a chamber to accommodate such a boat "easier". First you have to cut a descending ramp at least 144ft long and 30+ft deep towards the end then cut a chamber over 144ft long and 30ft high. I see no difference in effort to cut one open trench and blocks to cover it. Which regardless, is neither here nor there as they did not do it this way since the very first boat graves whose boats were no slouches themselves pulling in around 60-80ft.

> Why are some boat pits rectangular while others are bowed? In my opinion, the traditional narrative of G1 doesn't
> adequately account for the enigmatic positions and shape of the 3 boat-shaped pits on the east side vs. the 2
> rectangular pits on the south side of G1, along with the inconsistent placement of the 2 queens' boat pits.

This is a valid question. I think it is possible the two southern pits were either not originally intended to be boat graves or served a dual purpose which the latter was to eventually serve double duty as a boat grave.

> Why did Khufu (and Khafre) need 5 boats?

Looking at earlier boat graves, it is not unusual for there to be multiple boat associated with one burial. What is unique to me is they are scattered on various sides of the pyramid when if for one pharoah history would suggest they would be together like so:


Those at Abydos are essentially to represent a "moored fleet". I do not think all of the G1 boat pits are contemporary with each other with some not part of the original plan but rather placed where possible after the fact.

> Why put a single pit parallel to the Causeway?

Case in point.

> Why isn't Khufu mentioned in any boat pit around G1? It's reasonable to wonder why Djedefre had his name inscribed no
> less than 18 times and not once felt the urge to mention his father in whose name he supposedly constructed the boat
> pit in the first place.

Reasonable, but this dates it at least to the time of Djedefre nonetheless. The Japanese did say, however, they did find a Khufu cartouche in the other boat pit.

> Are we to believe that the builders of G1 were such masters at megalithic construction, but yet elected to surround
> what is arguably their finest masterpiece with a wall sitting on a foundation comprised of left over rubble of
> limestone, granite, and basalt chips held together with cement? That wall is thought to have been covered with
> limestone plaster and gypsum to make it look like the Tura casings. This is not characteristic of the monolithic style > of the Old Kingdom, especially for a royal funerary monument.

Substandard, though characteristic of most of these types of walls of the period otherwise.

> Why bury the parts of a disassembled boat outside the "tomb" when the vast majority of tombs included the afterlife
> objects inside the tomb near the royal mummy?

This is how they always did it and after.

> Why are some boat pits lined with blocks while others are simply recesses into bedrock?

Could some of the blocks have since been plundered? They were found empty afterall.

> Why place the boat pits so close to G1 such that the southern wall needed to be built a full 5m closer to G1 on that
> wall compared to the distance of the wall on the north and east faces? Again, uncharacteristic of the more common
> precision symmetry of the Pyramid Age.

A valid point.

> Why is the southern boat pit on the east side so big -- 51.5m long, 7m wide at midpoint, and 8m deep? Are there any
> signs of column footings in the base of the pit? If not, it doesn't seem likely that it was once covered by such long
> beams of limestone over such a wide cavity.

This, as it appears you read, was noted by Egyptologists. I think this is a fair assessment to doubt if this was originally meant to be a boat pit.

> Regarding the provenance of the wood, it's not clear to me that the Dynastics didn't have access to those pits while
> those 20 ton beams were already in place (e.g., from more ancient times). The first boat pit has small "keystones" at
> one end which differ from the other larger roof beams. Those keystones obviously could have been the result of
> up what originally may have been a longer 20 ton beam in order to gain access to the pit, e.g., in order to repurpose
> a possibly already ancient pit. The breach created by removal of that first block may have created access large
> enough to fit a human and, therefore, all of the boat materials may have been brought through that small portal long
> after the pit was originally hewn.



Of course this was coming. The "keystones" are a curious feature but it should be obvious what you are suggesting is impossible hence why there is no other conclusion than the blocks were placed there in Dynastic times by the people who buried the boats. As said before, some of the planks are 75ft long with others being over 40ft. There is no way you are going to be able to move these pieces in just by removing one block. Also of note is the masterful way in which the boat was placed underneath the blocks requiring great care, effort, and time meaning they would have had to have torches set up for extended periods of time to be able to see which if so the bottoms of the blocks would have soot all over them but they do not.



> Is there a more logical explanation for the presence of such keystones?

Certainly one a lot more logical than they cut out one block to move the boat underneath all the other blocks that they couldn't fit through anyways just to put them back in that configuration. Why not just pull the one out and put it back?

> Regarding the 2nd boat pit, It obviously wasn't "hermetically" sealed since gaps existed that were large enough to
> allow insects to enter.

After nearly 5,000yrs is it that unusual to find gaps have formed large enough to allow in insects? Obviously the attempt was made to seal it.

> The wood was allegedly placed in those pits no later than the end of the 4th Dynasty, but I question the dating of the > wall, sub-patio, and local mastabas that are the basis of that 4th Dynasty provenance of those pits.

These other structures are not what dates the wood in and of itself but rather the cartouches and the boats themselves.

> Some of the wooden planks exhibit what looks like signs of having been used before being entombed.

So what? I hope they used it before they buried it. At least one of the Abydos boats also show signs of being used before burial as well.

> I have never denied the possibility that the Old Kingdom had the technology to locally quarry, shape, transport, and
> position such relatively crude limestone slabs.

Please. You have done exactly that ad nauseum which even now it is only a "possibility" to you. It is a fact, not a "possibility", with the only question being what did who do when not "if" the AE could do any of it at all.

And hardly that "crude":



You are looking at the rough edges and tops but ignoring the well cut faces. The crudeness was obviously not a product of lack of ability but rather lack of necessity.

> However, I see no logic in laying a series of beams over a "boat pit" when excavating a cavity into bedrock would be
> quicker, easier, and result in a far better seal to preserve the wood.

It is by no means "easier" or "quicker", if only the opposite, and regardless how it had always been done before and after. Once again, these are not isolated incidents: nowhere in the history of Dynastic boat burials has a boat ever been found buried inside of an underground chamber cut out of bedrock.

These boats were no doubt placed there in the OK which proves they were in fact capable of moving blocks upwards of 20 tons and by extension cut, quarry, and LIFT such blocks. The latter goes out to those maroons who have accepted the fact they did quarry and move these blocks though refuse to accept they "lifted" them. This is stupid. These blocks are cut on all 4 sides. They had to be lifted to accomplish this. They also had to be lifted to put them upon the means of transport, which for sake of argument let's say rollers. So, about 2ft. Hmmm. If they could get a block 2ft off the ground is it therefore possible they could say lift it 4-5ft? Say about the height of one of these:


Not to mention the boat pit blocks are upwards of 20 tons yet these core block average 2.5 tons. So while unwittingly these jagamaroles admit the AE could lift dozens of 15-20 blocks at least a few feet off the ground to move them from the quarry to the boat pit, in the same breath they cry it is "impossible" they could lift a 2.5 ton block 4-5ft off the ground. And to those who believe the AE "adopted" this from an LC-how could they restore and repurpose all of this stone if they could not do these things in the first place? I have said this so many times yet it is amazingly ignored. When does the fringe end and common sense begin?

Anyways, I have talked at length regarding archaic Dynastic boat burials before. Regardless of what is found at Giza, which as an aside I do not believe Khufu's boat was made in Egypt, the practice of boat burials is part and parcel of the formation of the Dynastic state and paramount to understanding how it came to be which I have argued is the result of foreign influence. At the very beginnings of Dynastic Egypt, they buried these amazing massive boats at great expense and care for which we still do not understand why regardless of later Dynasty beliefs in Solar barges. Why did they start doing this? Even before the 1st boat burials are found, we find rock art leading from the Red Sea to Abydos (hint hint) depicting legions of seamen dragging these boats, some which appear to be of foreign origin, across the desert which I am certain there must be a connection between these boats and the boat burials.



Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 07-Sep-16 04:25 by Thanos5150.

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Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 785 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 19:18
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 832 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 08:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 835 DUNE 04-Sep-16 10:12
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 798 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 10:24
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 817 DUNE 04-Sep-16 10:53
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Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 814 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 18:16
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 728 DUNE 04-Sep-16 18:23
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 748 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 18:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 756 cladking 04-Sep-16 21:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 644 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 21:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 771 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 06:09
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 690 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 16:24
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 774 Jon Ellison 05-Sep-16 17:14
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 655 cladking 05-Sep-16 22:10
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 786 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 11:26
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 814 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 17:03
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 602 Steve Clayton 04-Sep-16 18:25
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 774 Steve Clayton 04-Sep-16 18:55
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 707 cladking 04-Sep-16 20:21
Boats R Us 639 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:16
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Re: Khufu's Boats used in their Pits 669 DScribr 09-Sep-16 18:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 739 jamesglory 16-Sep-16 05:45
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 734 jamesglory 26-Sep-16 13:22
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 623 cladking 26-Sep-16 14:17
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 592 Thanos5150 27-Sep-16 00:17
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 788 jamesglory 27-Sep-16 06:43
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 752 Thanos5150 27-Sep-16 17:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 615 DUNE 15-Oct-16 10:58
Khufu I/Block 20 535 Dr. Troglodyte 15-Oct-16 18:13
Re: Khufu I/Block 20 645 Thanos5150 15-Oct-16 21:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 644 Origyptian 18-Oct-16 00:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 624 DUNE 18-Oct-16 07:56
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Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 711 Thanos5150 18-Oct-16 17:36
Re: Khufu's Boats-to be built by others..... 724 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:07
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 778 cladking 04-Sep-16 20:26
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Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 713 Martin Stower 06-Sep-16 21:06
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Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 736 Jon Ellison 06-Sep-16 21:56
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Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 581 cladking 09-Sep-16 00:52
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 599 Martin Stower 06-Sep-16 23:13
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 833 cladking 07-Sep-16 00:17
Stream of Consciousness 701 eyeofhorus33 06-Sep-16 19:33
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 678 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 12:55
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 638 cladking 06-Sep-16 14:03
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 640 Steve Clayton 06-Sep-16 17:28
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 613 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 18:08
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 617 Steve Clayton 07-Sep-16 12:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 637 cladking 07-Sep-16 14:19
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 661 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 18:23
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 654 Jon Ellison 06-Sep-16 18:34
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 684 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 19:16
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 650 Jon Ellison 06-Sep-16 23:38
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 909 Thanos5150 06-Sep-16 23:41
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 646 Steve Clayton 07-Sep-16 14:17
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 618 cladking 07-Sep-16 14:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 670 Steve Clayton 07-Sep-16 15:46
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 681 cladking 07-Sep-16 16:24
Galleries :: Graves 750 Dr. Troglodyte 08-Sep-16 23:33
Re: Galleries :: Graves 693 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 00:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 868 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 03:32
Re: Galleries :: Graves 660 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:21
Re: Galleries :: Graves 602 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 16:52
Re: Galleries :: Graves 790 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 19:00
Re: Galleries :: Graves 660 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 21:54
Re: Galleries :: Graves 635 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 23:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 666 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 23:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 641 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 05:50
Re: Galleries :: Graves 706 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 06:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 675 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 17:29
Re: Galleries :: Graves 807 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 21:06
Re: Galleries :: Graves 666 cladking 10-Sep-16 21:30
Re: Galleries :: Graves 759 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 15:06
Re: Galleries :: Graves 702 Thunderbird 12-Sep-16 15:36
Re: Galleries :: Graves 613 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 01:41
Re: Galleries :: Graves 672 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 02:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 691 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 04:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 803 Morten 13-Sep-16 09:05
Thanks for the link 635 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:04
Re: Galleries :: Graves 699 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 602 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 17:03
Boat Graves-one answer. 679 DScribr 13-Sep-16 17:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 581 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 02:57
Re: Galleries :: Graves 646 cladking 09-Sep-16 03:25
Close enough 679 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:02
Re: Close enough 562 cladking 09-Sep-16 21:03
Re: Close enough 676 DScribr 10-Sep-16 00:33
Re: Close enough 677 cladking 10-Sep-16 01:09
Re: Galleries :: Graves 632 Dr. Troglodyte 09-Sep-16 15:43
Re: Galleries :: Graves 615 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 18:02
It wasn't 677 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:06
Re: It wasn't 720 Origyptian 08-Sep-16 23:45
At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 645 DScribr 09-Sep-16 01:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 656 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 12:55
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists!!! 661 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 621 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:06
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 720 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 14:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 625 cladking 09-Sep-16 14:35
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 779 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 19:22
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 717 Jon Ellison 09-Sep-16 20:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 702 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 21:41
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 693 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 22:17
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 669 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 16:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 668 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 21:39
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 733 DScribr 11-Sep-16 02:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 607 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 03:27
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 952 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 01:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 641 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 03:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 716 cladking 12-Sep-16 03:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 683 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 17:48
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 652 Martin Stower 12-Sep-16 20:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 639 cladking 12-Sep-16 20:49
Re: Shred of evidence : ) 666 Thunderbird 12-Sep-16 21:19
Re: Shred of evidence : ) 646 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 00:00
Sphinx 661 DScribr 13-Sep-16 00:43
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 682 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 21:04
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 624 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 00:21
Mainstream evidence still exists.... 558 DScribr 13-Sep-16 00:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 613 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 04:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 621 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 04:31
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 597 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 13:27
Ergo, Adaption! 512 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:33
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 572 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 15:52
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 668 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 16:47
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 572 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 16:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 769 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 16:58
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 561 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 18:15
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 637 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 588 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 694 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 00:38
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 576 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 02:24
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 538 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 16:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 604 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 16:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 631 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 614 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 20:19
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 585 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 620 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 614 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 02:12
Overruled!!! 516 DScribr 14-Sep-16 03:12
Re: Overruled!!! 648 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:02
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 573 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 12:19
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 594 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 17:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 626 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:17
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 593 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:22
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 607 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:39
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 657 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:51
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 649 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 00:55
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 607 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:30
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 519 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:37
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 641 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 565 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 23:51
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 639 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 00:56
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 548 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 01:33
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 629 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 02:34
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 600 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 12:00
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 644 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:30
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 606 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 15:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 655 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 18:39
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 608 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 22:36
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 611 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 23:17
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 630 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 23:34
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 529 Origyptian 16-Sep-16 20:37
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 700 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 23:52
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 634 DScribr 17-Sep-16 00:45
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 704 Jon Ellison 17-Sep-16 07:45
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 637 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 15:56
A polite and academic style of writing. 575 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:35
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 616 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 15:25
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 642 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 16:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 587 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 17:59
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 624 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 20:57
MS and DScribr are really the same person!!!.......Film @ 11. 632 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 625 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 22:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 566 Martin Stower 18-Sep-16 00:27
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 623 Thanos5150 18-Sep-16 00:52
Misleading still exists... 606 DScribr 18-Sep-16 01:26
Re: Misleading still exists... 584 randompHactor 18-Sep-16 02:45
Re: Misleading still exists... 608 Barbelo 18-Sep-16 11:32
Re: Misleading still exists... 630 DScribr 18-Sep-16 13:55
Re: Misleading still exists... 587 randompHactor 18-Sep-16 15:16
Re: Misleading still exists... 484 DScribr 18-Sep-16 19:30
Re: Misleading still exists... 597 Origyptian 18-Sep-16 20:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 580 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 18:45
Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 551 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:40
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 626 Origyptian 18-Sep-16 20:53
Re: STILL Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 751 DScribr 19-Sep-16 00:41
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 653 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 17:50
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 485 cladking 19-Sep-16 18:06
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 519 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:06
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 736 cladking 20-Sep-16 14:29
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 611 Jon Ellison 20-Sep-16 16:46
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 675 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:34
They were sealed during the late 4th D. 658 DScribr 20-Sep-16 17:23
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 543 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:44
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 698 Jon Ellison 24-Sep-16 20:03
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 600 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 03:52
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 599 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:29
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 649 Thanos5150 17-Sep-16 18:01
Mainstream evidence exists... 637 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:49
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 605 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 21:56
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 598 Thanos5150 17-Sep-16 23:53
Summary perspective of el-Jarf 643 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 20:30
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 632 Martin Stower 19-Sep-16 22:55
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 620 Thanos5150 19-Sep-16 23:40
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 632 Corpuscles 20-Sep-16 00:43
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 618 Thanos5150 20-Sep-16 02:05
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 605 Corpuscles 20-Sep-16 23:50
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 615 cladking 21-Sep-16 00:38
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 585 Origyptian 20-Sep-16 05:09
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 670 Martin Stower 20-Sep-16 10:10
'The Truth' 609 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:20
Re: 'The Truth' 527 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:31
Re: 'The Truth' 642 Martin Stower 24-Sep-16 00:41
Re: 'The Truth' 638 Origyptian 24-Sep-16 17:11
Re: 'The Truth' 673 Martin Stower 24-Sep-16 19:21
Re: 'The Truth' 642 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 04:13
Re: 'The Truth' 701 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 13:30
Re: 'The Truth' 596 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 15:45
Re: 'The Truth' 614 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 18:15
Re: 'The Truth' 567 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 18:35
Re: 'The Truth' 579 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 19:09
Tallet Misrepresented by Ori.......... 592 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:18
Perspective vs Fact 581 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:12
Re: Perspective vs Fact 591 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:28
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 679 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 23:20
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 611 DScribr 16-Sep-16 00:40
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 585 Origyptian 16-Sep-16 01:53
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 599 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 14:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists...whether read-or not! 607 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:17
Galleries Correction 594 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:15
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 525 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 14:24
Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 623 DScribr 14-Sep-16 03:25
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 622 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 15:15
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 627 DScribr 14-Sep-16 16:04
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 600 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 21:44
Fringe-in-denial.... .... 626 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:34
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 522 cladking 15-Sep-16 18:35
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 506 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 19:40
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 583 cladking 15-Sep-16 19:56
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 572 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 20:53
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 592 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 22:10
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 649 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:06
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 564 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 09:17
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 556 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:37
Life Unfair! 611 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:36
Wadi el Jarf evidence exists 563 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:14
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists...or does it?!? 700 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:09
Re: It wasn't 639 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 12:37
Got Pics? 568 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:17
Re: It wasn't 1070 M. J. Thomas 09-Sep-16 13:09
Re: It wasn't 616 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:26
Re: It wasn't 611 eyeofhorus33 09-Sep-16 15:54
Re: It wasn't 580 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 15:56
Re: Saqqara 653 Thunderbird 09-Sep-16 17:01
Re: Saqqara 652 cladking 09-Sep-16 17:18
Re: Djedefre. ...your Fired ! 603 Thunderbird 10-Sep-16 03:38
Re: It wasn't 566 Steve Clayton 10-Sep-16 01:08
Re: It wasn't 674 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 17:02
Re: It wasn't 762 Martin Stower 10-Sep-16 20:49
Re: It wasn't 687 Martin Stower 10-Sep-16 21:33
Re: It wasn't 605 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 00:53
Re: It wasn't 581 Martin Stower 12-Sep-16 20:43
Re: It wasn't 638 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 02:37
Re: It wasn't 650 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 14:57
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 617 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 16:20
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 608 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 16:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 617 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 17:18
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 558 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 18:00
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 513 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 17:30
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 574 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 18:11
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 612 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 22:12
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 593 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 23:08
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 594 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 23:26
Lifting IS Required. 652 DScribr 14-Sep-16 12:35
Re: Lifting IS Required. 515 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 16:16
Re: Lifting IS Required. 647 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 16:43
Re: Lifting IS Required. 559 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 16:51
Re: Lifting IS Required. 645 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 18:16
Re: Lifting IS Required. 598 M. J. Thomas 14-Sep-16 18:35
Re: Lifting IS Required. 580 randompHactor 14-Sep-16 19:28
Re: Lifting IS Required. 591 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 20:01
Re: Lifting IS Required. 635 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 19:03
Re: Lifting IS Required. 830 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 20:02
Re: Lifting IS Required. 593 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 20:13
Re: Lifting IS Required. 675 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 21:58
Re: Lifting IS Required. 559 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:18
Re: Lifting IS Required. 531 Steve Clayton 15-Sep-16 01:05
Re: Lifting IS Required. 780 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 20:38
Re: Lifting IS Required. 687 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 22:39
Re: Lifting IS Required. 429 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:18
Re: Lifting IS Required. 569 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 23:32
Re: Lifting IS Required. 577 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:55
Re: Lifting IS Required. 620 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 09:09
Re: Lifting IS Required. 602 Steve Clayton 14-Sep-16 19:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 556 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 17:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 535 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 17:38
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 542 Steve Clayton 16-Sep-16 12:38
The Pharaoh's House 594 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:14
Water 472 D-Archer 21-Sep-16 11:28
Re: Water 567 cladking 21-Sep-16 13:37
Saw pit? 614 Apap 22-Sep-16 00:13
Great idea. 488 cladking 22-Sep-16 02:00
Re: Great idea. 605 Apap 22-Sep-16 18:22
Re: Great idea. 632 cladking 22-Sep-16 19:13
Re: Saw pit? 673 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:52


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