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Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> Quite the conundrum is it not?

I agree, there certainly are quite a few conundrums in your excellent (as usual) post. Not so surprising is that I challenge traditional thought which does not adequately consider the enigmas surrounding these pits:

    Most boat pits were found empty with no trace of housing any boat remains or of similar covering stones. There are very conspicuous brown stains that suggest significant depositing of oxidized iron. Has any testing been done for residual materials in those empty pits?

    Why do some boat pits appear to have multiple ledges on the walls (e.g., the eastern pits of G1)?

    As stated by Jon Ellison, why disassemble the entire boat (into 13 layers of stacked wood) rather than keep it intact for the afterlife?

    As stated by DUNE, why not just hew a chamber into bedrock, load the chamber with the wood segments, then apply a single plug at the entrance? That would seem to have been a far simpler project and would have better ensured protection from moisture and atmosphere contamination. For example, why not mimic the design similar to G7000x which is thought to have served as a funerary deposit for Hetepheres?

    Why are some boat pits rectangular while others are bowed? In my opinion, the traditional narrative of G1 doesn't adequately account for the enigmatic positions and shape of the 3 boat-shaped pits on the east side vs. the 2 rectangular pits on the south side of G1, along with the inconsistent placement of the 2 queens' boat pits.

    Why did Khufu (and Khafre) need 5 boats?

    Why put a single pit parallel to the Causeway?

    Why isn't Khufu mentioned in any boat pit around G1? It's reasonable to wonder why Djedefre had his name inscribed no less than 18 times and not once felt the urge to mention his father in whose name he supposedly constructed the boat pit in the first place.

    Are we to believe that the builders of G1 were such masters at megalithic construction, but yet elected to surround what is arguably their finest masterpiece with a wall sitting on a foundation comprised of left over rubble of limestone, granite, and basalt chips held together with cement? That wall is thought to have been covered with limestone plaster and gypsum to make it look like the Tura casings. This is not characteristic of the monolithic style of the Old Kingdom, especially for a royal funerary monument.

    Why bury the parts of a disassembled boat outside the "tomb" when the vast majority of tombs included the afterlife objects inside the tomb near the royal mummy?

    Why are some boat pits lined with blocks while others are simply recesses into bedrock?

    Why place the boat pits so close to G1 such that the southern wall needed to be built a full 5m closer to G1 on that wall compared to the distance of the wall on the north and east faces? Again, uncharacteristic of the more common precision symmetry of the Pyramid Age.

    Why is the southern boat pit on the east side so big -- 51.5m long, 7m wide at midpoint, and 8m deep? Are there any signs of column footings in the base of the pit? If not, it doesn't seem likely that it was once covered by such long beams of limestone over such a wide cavity.

    Regarding the provenance of the wood, it's not clear to me that the Dynastics didn't have access to those pits while those 20 ton beams were already in place (e.g., from more ancient times). The first boat pit has small "keystones" at one end which differ from the other larger roof beams. Those keystones obviously could have been the result of hacking up what originally may have been a longer 20 ton beam in order to gain access to the pit, e.g., in order to repurpose a possibly already ancient pit. The breach created by removal of that first block may have created access large enough to fit a human and, therefore, all of the boat materials may have been brought through that small portal long after the pit was originally hewn. Is there a more logical explanation for the presence of such keystones? Regarding the 2nd boat pit, It obviously wasn't "hermetically" sealed since gaps existed that were large enough to allow insects to enter. Air sampled through the original 9cm drill hole confirmed that there was no hermetic seal. Did Yoshimura specifically claim there were no such smaller "keystones" on the second boat pit? (it's hard to find details about the initial excavation). Note that one pit had 40 spanning beams while the other had 41.

The wood was allegedly placed in those pits no later than the end of the 4th Dynasty, but I question the dating of the wall, sub-patio, and local mastabas that are the basis of that 4th Dynasty provenance of those pits.

Some of the wooden planks exhibit what looks like signs of having been used before being entombed.

I'd love to see a detailed 2nd boat pit excavation report by Yoshimura that at least parallels the detail in Jenkins' report of the excavation of the first boat pit. As I recall from a similar discussion a couple of months ago, it's difficult to know exactly what Yoshimura observed since there doesn't seem to be any detailed account of his initial excavation into the pit other than the hole drilled to initially view the contents of the pit and a few comments he made which don't seem to be verifiable by the physical evidence. I've not come across any analysis of the integrity of that roof and possible breaches that may have occurred in the past once it was determined that it was not hermetically sealed.

I have never denied the possibility that the Old Kingdom had the technology to locally quarry, shape, transport, and position such relatively crude limestone slabs. However, I see no logic in laying a series of beams over a "boat pit" when excavating a cavity into bedrock would be quicker, easier, and result in a far better seal to preserve the wood. Likewise, there is nothing in the OP that addresses the provenance of G1.

Meanwhile, the physical evidence seems to support adaption of a more ancient structure.

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Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 4630 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 03:30
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 831 eyeofhorus33 04-Sep-16 06:28
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 761 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 19:18
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 811 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 08:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 812 DUNE 04-Sep-16 10:12
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 776 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 10:24
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 793 DUNE 04-Sep-16 10:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 704 DUNE 04-Sep-16 11:22
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 793 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 18:16
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 705 DUNE 04-Sep-16 18:23
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 726 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 18:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 733 cladking 04-Sep-16 21:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 621 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 21:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 750 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 06:09
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 666 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 16:24
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 751 Jon Ellison 05-Sep-16 17:14
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 633 cladking 05-Sep-16 22:10
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 764 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 11:26
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 790 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 17:03
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 578 Steve Clayton 04-Sep-16 18:25
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 750 Steve Clayton 04-Sep-16 18:55
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 685 cladking 04-Sep-16 20:21
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Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 700 jamesglory 08-Sep-16 06:06
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 615 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 18:09
Re: Khufu's Boats used in their Pits 647 DScribr 09-Sep-16 18:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 713 jamesglory 16-Sep-16 05:45
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 708 jamesglory 26-Sep-16 13:22
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 599 cladking 26-Sep-16 14:17
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 567 Thanos5150 27-Sep-16 00:17
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 761 jamesglory 27-Sep-16 06:43
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 729 Thanos5150 27-Sep-16 17:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 594 DUNE 15-Oct-16 10:58
Khufu I/Block 20 511 Dr. Troglodyte 15-Oct-16 18:13
Re: Khufu I/Block 20 622 Thanos5150 15-Oct-16 21:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 622 Origyptian 18-Oct-16 00:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 604 DUNE 18-Oct-16 07:56
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 647 Thanos5150 18-Oct-16 16:50
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 531 DUNE 18-Oct-16 17:00
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 687 Thanos5150 18-Oct-16 17:36
Re: Khufu's Boats-to be built by others..... 701 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:07
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 754 cladking 04-Sep-16 20:26
Re: Water erosion 822 Thunderbird 05-Sep-16 14:36
Re: Water erosion 632 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 16:18
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Re: Water erosion 574 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 17:46
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Re: Water erosion 606 eyeofhorus33 05-Sep-16 17:29
Re: Water erosion 669 Merrell 05-Sep-16 17:46
Re:Control the conversation.....tantrum. ... 698 Thunderbird 05-Sep-16 20:14
Re: Re:Control the conversation.....tantrum. ... 698 Martin Stower 05-Sep-16 20:55
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Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 691 Martin Stower 06-Sep-16 21:06
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 603 cladking 06-Sep-16 21:51
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 714 Jon Ellison 06-Sep-16 21:56
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 689 Martin Stower 06-Sep-16 23:21
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 620 cladking 07-Sep-16 00:11
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 508 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:23
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 633 cladking 07-Sep-16 19:07
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 631 DScribr 08-Sep-16 01:17
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 670 cladking 08-Sep-16 13:39
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 621 Origyptian 08-Sep-16 23:56
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 558 cladking 09-Sep-16 00:52
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 576 Martin Stower 06-Sep-16 23:13
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 785 cladking 07-Sep-16 00:17
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Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 653 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 12:55
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 614 cladking 06-Sep-16 14:03
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 619 Steve Clayton 06-Sep-16 17:28
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 590 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 18:08
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 594 Steve Clayton 07-Sep-16 12:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 616 cladking 07-Sep-16 14:19
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 639 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 18:23
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 630 Jon Ellison 06-Sep-16 18:34
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 641 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 19:16
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 628 Jon Ellison 06-Sep-16 23:38
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 883 Thanos5150 06-Sep-16 23:41
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 623 Steve Clayton 07-Sep-16 14:17
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 593 cladking 07-Sep-16 14:42
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Galleries :: Graves 688 Dr. Troglodyte 08-Sep-16 23:33
Re: Galleries :: Graves 668 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 00:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 845 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 03:32
Re: Galleries :: Graves 637 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:21
Re: Galleries :: Graves 580 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 16:52
Re: Galleries :: Graves 767 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 19:00
Re: Galleries :: Graves 637 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 21:54
Re: Galleries :: Graves 613 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 23:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 644 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 23:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 617 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 05:50
Re: Galleries :: Graves 683 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 06:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 651 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 17:29
Re: Galleries :: Graves 779 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 21:06
Re: Galleries :: Graves 644 cladking 10-Sep-16 21:30
Re: Galleries :: Graves 736 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 15:06
Re: Galleries :: Graves 680 Thunderbird 12-Sep-16 15:36
Re: Galleries :: Graves 589 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 01:41
Re: Galleries :: Graves 650 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 02:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 668 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 04:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 780 Morten 13-Sep-16 09:05
Thanks for the link 611 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:04
Re: Galleries :: Graves 676 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 583 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 17:03
Boat Graves-one answer. 653 DScribr 13-Sep-16 17:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 558 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 02:57
Re: Galleries :: Graves 625 cladking 09-Sep-16 03:25
Close enough 655 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:02
Re: Close enough 541 cladking 09-Sep-16 21:03
Re: Close enough 653 DScribr 10-Sep-16 00:33
Re: Close enough 653 cladking 10-Sep-16 01:09
Re: Galleries :: Graves 611 Dr. Troglodyte 09-Sep-16 15:43
Re: Galleries :: Graves 592 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 18:02
It wasn't 654 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:06
Re: It wasn't 695 Origyptian 08-Sep-16 23:45
At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 621 DScribr 09-Sep-16 01:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 634 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 12:55
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists!!! 610 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 596 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:06
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 647 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 14:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 604 cladking 09-Sep-16 14:35
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 705 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 19:22
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 659 Jon Ellison 09-Sep-16 20:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 678 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 21:41
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 669 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 22:17
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 644 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 16:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 644 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 21:39
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 709 DScribr 11-Sep-16 02:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 584 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 03:27
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 851 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 01:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 617 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 03:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 664 cladking 12-Sep-16 03:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 655 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 17:48
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 631 Martin Stower 12-Sep-16 20:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 616 cladking 12-Sep-16 20:49
Re: Shred of evidence : ) 646 Thunderbird 12-Sep-16 21:19
Re: Shred of evidence : ) 623 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 00:00
Sphinx 635 DScribr 13-Sep-16 00:43
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 661 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 21:04
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 604 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 00:21
Mainstream evidence still exists.... 537 DScribr 13-Sep-16 00:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 591 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 04:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 601 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 04:31
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 575 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 13:27
Ergo, Adaption! 491 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:33
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 551 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 15:52
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 614 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 16:47
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 550 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 16:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 613 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 16:58
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 539 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 18:15
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 612 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 566 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 615 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 00:38
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 554 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 02:24
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 517 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 16:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 584 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 16:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 609 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 593 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 20:19
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 565 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 599 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 593 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 02:12
Overruled!!! 495 DScribr 14-Sep-16 03:12
Re: Overruled!!! 627 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:02
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 551 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 12:19
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 572 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 17:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 603 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:17
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 571 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:22
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 585 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:39
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 637 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:51
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 629 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 00:55
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 585 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:30
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 497 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:37
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 620 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 544 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 23:51
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 616 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 00:56
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 525 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 01:33
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 607 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 02:34
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 577 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 12:00
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 616 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:30
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 585 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 15:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 577 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 18:39
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 585 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 22:36
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 590 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 23:17
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 608 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 23:34
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 509 Origyptian 16-Sep-16 20:37
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 676 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 23:52
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 614 DScribr 17-Sep-16 00:45
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 684 Jon Ellison 17-Sep-16 07:45
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 587 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 15:56
A polite and academic style of writing. 554 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:35
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 594 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 15:25
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 621 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 16:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 565 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 17:59
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 603 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 20:57
MS and DScribr are really the same person!!!.......Film @ 11. 611 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 604 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 22:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 542 Martin Stower 18-Sep-16 00:27
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 596 Thanos5150 18-Sep-16 00:52
Misleading still exists... 583 DScribr 18-Sep-16 01:26
Re: Misleading still exists... 558 randompHactor 18-Sep-16 02:45
Re: Misleading still exists... 582 Barbelo 18-Sep-16 11:32
Re: Misleading still exists... 609 DScribr 18-Sep-16 13:55
Re: Misleading still exists... 565 randompHactor 18-Sep-16 15:16
Re: Misleading still exists... 462 DScribr 18-Sep-16 19:30
Re: Misleading still exists... 575 Origyptian 18-Sep-16 20:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 561 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 18:45
Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 530 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:40
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 605 Origyptian 18-Sep-16 20:53
Re: STILL Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 729 DScribr 19-Sep-16 00:41
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 623 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 17:50
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 465 cladking 19-Sep-16 18:06
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 498 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:06
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 666 cladking 20-Sep-16 14:29
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 590 Jon Ellison 20-Sep-16 16:46
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 652 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:34
They were sealed during the late 4th D. 635 DScribr 20-Sep-16 17:23
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 522 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:44
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 678 Jon Ellison 24-Sep-16 20:03
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 580 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 03:52
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 578 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:29
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 584 Thanos5150 17-Sep-16 18:01
Mainstream evidence exists... 617 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:49
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 585 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 21:56
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 576 Thanos5150 17-Sep-16 23:53
Summary perspective of el-Jarf 585 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 20:30
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 607 Martin Stower 19-Sep-16 22:55
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 598 Thanos5150 19-Sep-16 23:40
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 610 Corpuscles 20-Sep-16 00:43
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Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 584 Corpuscles 20-Sep-16 23:50
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 593 cladking 21-Sep-16 00:38
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 564 Origyptian 20-Sep-16 05:09
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 643 Martin Stower 20-Sep-16 10:10
'The Truth' 587 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:20
Re: 'The Truth' 504 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:31
Re: 'The Truth' 620 Martin Stower 24-Sep-16 00:41
Re: 'The Truth' 616 Origyptian 24-Sep-16 17:11
Re: 'The Truth' 650 Martin Stower 24-Sep-16 19:21
Re: 'The Truth' 622 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 04:13
Re: 'The Truth' 630 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 13:30
Re: 'The Truth' 574 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 15:45
Re: 'The Truth' 581 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 18:15
Re: 'The Truth' 546 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 18:35
Re: 'The Truth' 556 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 19:09
Tallet Misrepresented by Ori.......... 570 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:18
Perspective vs Fact 560 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:12
Re: Perspective vs Fact 570 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:28
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 624 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 23:20
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 587 DScribr 16-Sep-16 00:40
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 564 Origyptian 16-Sep-16 01:53
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 578 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 14:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists...whether read-or not! 586 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:17
Galleries Correction 569 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:15
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 503 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 14:24
Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 549 DScribr 14-Sep-16 03:25
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 598 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 15:15
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 605 DScribr 14-Sep-16 16:04
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 577 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 21:44
Fringe-in-denial.... .... 605 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:34
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 500 cladking 15-Sep-16 18:35
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 484 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 19:40
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 562 cladking 15-Sep-16 19:56
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 550 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 20:53
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 569 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 22:10
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 629 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:06
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 544 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 09:17
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 535 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:37
Life Unfair! 590 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:36
Wadi el Jarf evidence exists 543 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:14
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists...or does it?!? 677 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:09
Re: It wasn't 618 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 12:37
Got Pics? 547 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:17
Re: It wasn't 958 M. J. Thomas 09-Sep-16 13:09
Re: It wasn't 593 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:26
Re: It wasn't 588 eyeofhorus33 09-Sep-16 15:54
Re: It wasn't 526 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 15:56
Re: Saqqara 631 Thunderbird 09-Sep-16 17:01
Re: Saqqara 631 cladking 09-Sep-16 17:18
Re: Djedefre. ...your Fired ! 583 Thunderbird 10-Sep-16 03:38
Re: It wasn't 546 Steve Clayton 10-Sep-16 01:08
Re: It wasn't 651 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 17:02
Re: It wasn't 736 Martin Stower 10-Sep-16 20:49
Re: It wasn't 663 Martin Stower 10-Sep-16 21:33
Re: It wasn't 580 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 00:53
Re: It wasn't 558 Martin Stower 12-Sep-16 20:43
Re: It wasn't 616 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 02:37
Re: It wasn't 584 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 14:57
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 596 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 16:20
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 587 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 16:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 596 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 17:18
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 535 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 18:00
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 491 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 17:30
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 550 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 18:11
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 591 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 22:12
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 571 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 23:08
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 560 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 23:26
Lifting IS Required. 631 DScribr 14-Sep-16 12:35
Re: Lifting IS Required. 494 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 16:16
Re: Lifting IS Required. 625 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 16:43
Re: Lifting IS Required. 540 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 16:51
Re: Lifting IS Required. 624 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 18:16
Re: Lifting IS Required. 568 M. J. Thomas 14-Sep-16 18:35
Re: Lifting IS Required. 561 randompHactor 14-Sep-16 19:28
Re: Lifting IS Required. 570 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 20:01
Re: Lifting IS Required. 613 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 19:03
Re: Lifting IS Required. 729 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 20:02
Re: Lifting IS Required. 572 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 20:13
Re: Lifting IS Required. 655 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 21:58
Re: Lifting IS Required. 536 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:18
Re: Lifting IS Required. 510 Steve Clayton 15-Sep-16 01:05
Re: Lifting IS Required. 752 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 20:38
Re: Lifting IS Required. 666 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 22:39
Re: Lifting IS Required. 409 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:18
Re: Lifting IS Required. 547 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 23:32
Re: Lifting IS Required. 556 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:55
Re: Lifting IS Required. 600 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 09:09
Re: Lifting IS Required. 580 Steve Clayton 14-Sep-16 19:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 537 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 17:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 514 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 17:38
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 523 Steve Clayton 16-Sep-16 12:38
The Pharaoh's House 572 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:14
Water 448 D-Archer 21-Sep-16 11:28
Re: Water 544 cladking 21-Sep-16 13:37
Saw pit? 591 Apap 22-Sep-16 00:13
Great idea. 465 cladking 22-Sep-16 02:00
Re: Great idea. 584 Apap 22-Sep-16 18:22
Re: Great idea. 610 cladking 22-Sep-16 19:13
Re: Saw pit? 651 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:52


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