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R Avry Wilson Wrote:
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> Aine Wrote:
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> > Whoever occupied Egypt even prior to the First
> > Dynasty are by definition AE themselves. I
> don't
> > think this is rocket science here.
>
> Sure, of course. They are referred to as
> 'pre-Dynastic ancient Egyptians'.

Okay, great. Glad we got that straight. So, even if the pyramids are older than claimed, the Ancient Egyptians still built them.

So, what, exactly, is the problem?

The problem is not who, but when.
>

> Which king lists are you specifically talking
> about? There is a difference between those
> inscribed at the Wadi and those in Manetho. If you
> mean the former, these are not considered 'myth
> and legend' by Egyptology. Do you have a citation
> for the specific persons who have said this, or
> are you just making it up? If you mean the latter,
> his list is most definitely part 'myth and
> legend'.

I was speaking generally--there are so many of them. However, if those lists largely agree and Manetho is generally regarded as the best source available, why are the pre-dynastics regaled to myth and legend? Why is he right about most things but can't possibly be right about the pre-dynastic period? And this despite the fact that Petrie and others proved that there was a complex system in place prior to the unification.

You don't get to pick and choose which bits of evidence you'll accept and which you'll toss. The evidence should be considered in aggregate.

You accuse me of straw men arguments, but are you capable of seeing what's right in front of your face?

> > Egyptian civilization didn't spring up out of
> > nowhere. It can't have. It evolved over many,
> many
> > years. The unification in c. 3100 BC implies
> that
> > even at that early date North Africa had a
> > substantial population and complex political
> > structure.
>
> That is correct.
>
>
> > In short, they'd been there for quite some
> time.
> > They didn't develop over night.
> >
> > They were AE.
>
> Correct. And if you would like to be more exact,
> northeast Africa has been populated by homo
> sapiens for 100's of 1000's of years. Over time,
> the indigenous people developed/honed their
> culture both from within and with some external
> influences. This development and advancement in
> culture culminated in the c.3100 BCE unification
> of Egypt.
>
>
> > I don't have a horse in this race
>
> You replied. You have one in.

No, I don't. My world doesn't come crashing down in either instance. If the pyramids were built before 2500 BC, great. If not, there are other structures all over the world that are far older and more interesting from an evolutionary point of view.

> > but unless the
> > Egyptologists can come up with a contemporary
> > document that shows definitively that Giza was
> > built c. 2500 BC, then their entire timeline is
> > subject to scientific scrutiny no matter how
> much
> > they want to circle the wagons.
>
> You think it requires a contemporary document to
> suggest a time frame? That, and only that? You
> mean any other cultural artifacts, buildings, etc
> are irrelevant to dating ancient people? Only
> documents can suggest a time frame? Please don't
> invoke 'science' when you clearly don't understand
> the idea of contextual reasoning.

Oh yes I do. And no, I don't think a contemporary document is the only way to show when the pyramids were built. However, that is the level of evidence that is being demanded here, and you know that standard of evidence can't be met by either side.

That's a problem. Both sides have a hypothesis but very little in the way of physical evidence.
>
> > You demand such evidence from anyone who
> disagrees
> > with you, but can't produce the same level of
> > evidence.
>
> Strawman BS, Aine. Sorry, it is.

Nope, it's not. No one should accept Egyptology's claim of 2500 BC without accurately dated physical evidence. And I don't mean bits of cloth and wood. Wood in particular presents a problem, especially since it was used to mix mortar. The lack of trees by itself is problematic for obvious reasons, and 14C can only tell you when a tree died, not when it was used.

> I am not demanding evidence just because
> someone disagrees with me. This mischaracterizes
> my reason(s) for demanding evidence. I demand it
> because claims require it.

You're demanding evidence that may no longer exist. Cloth doesn't last forever, especially if it was wetter at Giza. The tree problem above is another issue.

Now, I could be wrong, but it seems to me that you're claiming that the evidence simply does not exist, when you don't know that. It very well could, but you make no allowances for the possibility.

You can go that route if you want to end up with egg on your face. Dealing in absolutes usually doesn't work out very well.

> And this mantra of saying evidence is never
> produced
suggesting the AEs built the pyramids
> is childish in the extreme: artifacts, writings,
> pottery, buildings, archaeo-astronomy, etc ...
> millions of individual pieces of things taken from
> the ground and corroborated with context and
> scrutiny tell us with pretty darn good logic the
> AEs built the pyramids. It is asked, it is given.
> Then it's trumpeted, "Give us the evidence!", then
> it is given, and around-and-round you go. It is
> annoying to the ends of the galaxy people keep
> saying there is nothing whatsoever when in
> fact there is.

Straw man. I never said that. I'm merely questioning the logical assumptions of the Pro 2500 BC camp, which isn't terribly robust despite all protestations to the contrary and is downright intransigent in its inflexibility.

If you don't think so, then how can
> you have made this statement at the start of your
> post:
>
>
Quote

Aine Wrote:
>
> "> Whoever occupied Egypt even prior to the First
> > Dynasty are by definition AE themselves. I
> don't
> > think this is rocket science here."
>
> AND
>
> "> Egyptian civilization didn't spring up out of
> > nowhere. It can't have. It evolved over many,
> many
> > years. The unification in c. 3100 BC implies
> that
> > even at that early date North Africa had a
> > substantial population and complex political
> > structure."
>
> See? What material evidence makes you think people
> 'occupied Egypt even prior to the First Dynasty',
> and that knowing so is not 'rocket science'? What
> material evidence did you employ to determine
> 'Egyptian civilization didn't spring out of
> nowhere'? On what grounds do you state there was a
> 'unification in c.3100 BCE'? That 'North Africa
> had a substantial population and complex political
> structure'?
>
> Hmm?

LOL Do you know anything about anthropology? Hierarchical political organization? You have to have a sufficient, stable population to form a kingdom. It's that simple. Ask the anthropologists for their evidence. This is Anthro 101, for goodness sake.

On what grounds do I state there was a unification in 3100 BC? Are you serious?

Stupidity is knowing the truth, seeing the truth but still believing the lies. And that is more infectious than any other disease. ~ Richard Feynman



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Re: Evidence Why the Pyramids Were Built Before the Dynastic Period-Give It Your Best Shot 534 DUNE 12-Jul-16 17:41
Re: Evidence Why the Pyramids Were Built Before the Dynastic Period-Give It Your Best Shot 536 Thanos5150 12-Jul-16 18:05
Re: Evidence Why the Pyramids Were Built Before the Dynastic Period-Give It Your Best Shot 602 atul.seth 12-Jul-16 13:13
Re: Evidence Why the Pyramids Were Built Before the Dynastic Period-Give It Your Best Shot 526 Thanos5150 12-Jul-16 18:03
Re: Evidence Why the Pyramids Were Built Before the Dynastic Period-Give It Your Best Shot 484 atul.seth 12-Jul-16 19:34
Re: Evidence Why the Pyramids Were Built Before the Dynastic Period-Give It Your Best Shot 575 R Avry Wilson 12-Jul-16 19:51
Re: Evidence Why the Pyramids Were Built Before the Dynastic Period-Give It Your Best Shot 467 atul.seth 13-Jul-16 15:06
Re: Evidence Why the Pyramids Were Built Before the Dynastic Period-Give It Your Best Shot 482 atul.seth 13-Jul-16 15:20
Re: Evidence Why the Pyramids Were Built Before the Dynastic Period-Give It Your Best Shot 620 Martin Stower 12-Jul-16 18:11
Re: Evidence Why the Pyramids Were Built Before the Dynastic Period-Give It Your Best Shot 510 Origyptian 12-Jul-16 18:26
Re: Evidence Why the Pyramids Were Built Before the Dynastic Period-Give It Your Best Shot 556 Martin Stower 12-Jul-16 19:03
Re: Evidence Why the Pyramids Were Built Before the Dynastic Period-Give It Your Best Shot 499 Origyptian 12-Jul-16 19:34
Ok 427 R Avry Wilson 12-Jul-16 19:47
Re: Ok 531 Origyptian 12-Jul-16 19:58
Re: Ok 535 Martin Stower 12-Jul-16 20:33
Re: Ok 493 cladking 12-Jul-16 20:51
Re: Evidence Why the Pyramids Were Built Before the Dynastic Period-Give It Your Best Shot 549 Martin Stower 12-Jul-16 20:29
Re: Evidence Why the Pyramids Were Built Before the Dynastic Period-Give It Your Best Shot 554 Origyptian 12-Jul-16 20:53
Re: Evidence Why the Pyramids Were Built Before the Dynastic Period-Give It Your Best Shot 462 Martin Stower 12-Jul-16 21:29
Re: Evidence Why the Pyramids Were Built Before the Dynastic Period-Give It Your Best Shot 549 Thanos5150 12-Jul-16 22:16
Carbon dating stuff (anything) in the Pyramids 577 Eddie Larry 12-Jul-16 19:17
Re: Carbon dating stuff (anything) in the Pyramids 475 Origyptian 12-Jul-16 20:17
Re: Carbon dating stuff (anything) in the Pyramids 464 Eddie Larry 12-Jul-16 22:22
Re: Carbon dating stuff (anything) in the Pyramids 478 Origyptian 13-Jul-16 00:51
Re: Carbon dating stuff (anything) in the Pyramids 591 OCaptain 13-Jul-16 16:22
Re: Carbon dating stuff (anything) in the Pyramids 442 Origyptian 13-Jul-16 16:36
Re: Carbon dating stuff (anything) in the Pyramids 538 Thanos5150 12-Jul-16 23:34
Knobs 509 Histplorer 12-Jul-16 19:31
Re: Evidence Why the Pyramids Were Built Before the Dynastic Period-Give It Your Best Shot 426 Origyptian 12-Jul-16 19:57
Re: Evidence Why the Pyramids Were Built Before the Dynastic Period-Give It Your Best Shot 484 Martin Stower 12-Jul-16 20:37
Re: Evidence Why the Pyramids Were Built Before the Dynastic Period-Give It Your Best Shot 541 Thanos5150 12-Jul-16 23:14
Re: Evidence Why the Pyramids Were Built Before the Dynastic Period-Give It Your Best Shot 503 Martin Stower 12-Jul-16 23:45
Re: Evidence Why the Pyramids Were Built Before the Dynastic Period-Give It Your Best Shot 549 Origyptian 13-Jul-16 00:42
Re: Evidence Why the Pyramids Were Built Before the Dynastic Period-Give It Your Best Shot 515 Martin Stower 13-Jul-16 01:01
Re: Evidence Why the Pyramids Were Built Before the Dynastic Period-Give It Your Best Shot 521 Origyptian 13-Jul-16 02:30
Re: Evidence Why the Pyramids Were Built Before the Dynastic Period-Give It Your Best Shot 553 Martin Stower 13-Jul-16 02:33
Re: Evidence Why the Pyramids Were Built Before the Dynastic Period-Give It Your Best Shot 349 R Avry Wilson 13-Jul-16 03:16
Re: Evidence Why the Pyramids Were Built Before the Dynastic Period-Give It Your Best Shot 529 Martin Stower 13-Jul-16 13:59
Re: Evidence Why the Pyramids Were Built Before the Dynastic Period-Give It Your Best Shot 481 Thanos5150 13-Jul-16 03:16
Re: Evidence Why the Pyramids Were Built Before the Dynastic Period-Give It Your Best Shot 446 Origyptian 13-Jul-16 03:30
Re: Evidence Why the Pyramids Were Built Before the Dynastic Period-Give It Your Best Shot 437 Corpuscles 13-Jul-16 03:43
Re: Evidence Why the Pyramids Were Built Before the Dynastic Period-Give It Your Best Shot 490 Thanos5150 13-Jul-16 04:29
Re: Evidence Why the Pyramids Were Built Before the Dynastic Period-Give It Your Best Shot 543 M. J. Thomas 13-Jul-16 10:50
Re: Evidence Why the Pyramids Were Built Before the Dynastic Period-Give It Your Best Shot 539 Origyptian 13-Jul-16 12:13
Re: Evidence Why the Pyramids Were Built Before the Dynastic Period-Give It Your Best Shot 479 R Avry Wilson 13-Jul-16 04:29
Re: Evidence Why the Pyramids Were Built Before the Dynastic Period-Give It Your Best Shot 472 Origyptian 13-Jul-16 13:50
Re: Evidence Why the Pyramids Were Built Before the Dynastic Period-Give It Your Best Shot 550 Martin Stower 12-Jul-16 22:17
Re: Evidence Why the Pyramids Were Built Before the Dynastic Period-Give It Your Best Shot 581 Laird Scranton 14-Jul-16 18:33
Re: Evidence Why the Pyramids Were Built Before the Dynastic Period-Give It Your Best Shot 524 Jon Ellison 14-Jul-16 18:44
Re: Evidence Why the Pyramids Were Built Before the Dynastic Period-Give It Your Best Shot 573 Laird Scranton 15-Jul-16 04:39
Re: The Erosion........THE EROSION ! 471 Thunderbird 15-Jul-16 03:11
Re: The Erosion........THE EROSION ! 471 cladking 15-Jul-16 03:35
Re: The Erosion........THE EROSION ! 524 Audrey 15-Jul-16 04:25
Re: The Erosion........THE EROSION ! 569 Thunderbird 15-Jul-16 07:33
Have I missed the best shot or anything? 530 Corpuscles 15-Jul-16 23:56
Re: Have I missed the best shot or anything? 482 cladking 16-Jul-16 00:21
Re: Have I missed the best shot or anything? 481 Audrey 16-Jul-16 05:36
Re: Have I missed the best shot or anything? 588 Jon Ellison 16-Jul-16 10:38
Re: Have I missed the best shot or anything? 467 cladking 16-Jul-16 13:30
Re: Have I missed the best shot or anything? 365 OCaptain 16-Jul-16 14:53
Re: Have I missed the best shot or anything? 417 cladking 16-Jul-16 13:22
Re: Have I missed the best shot or anything? 477 Martin Stower 16-Jul-16 00:49
You Forgot The Closing 549 loveritas 16-Jul-16 01:00
Re: You Forgot The Closing 571 Origyptian 16-Jul-16 03:59
Re: You Forgot The Closing 482 Martin Stower 16-Jul-16 14:19
Re: Have I missed the best shot or anything? 409 Martin Stower 16-Jul-16 14:09
Re: Have I missed the best shot or anything? 542 cladking 16-Jul-16 18:24


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