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> What could I possibly have said in that short
> comment that compelled you to twist the words so
> significantly? I simply asked you to render your
> own opinion about whether there is any evidence
> that the pyramids were built before 4000 BC.

This is not what the OP is about and I see no point in derailing it away from the topic. My opinions are irrelevant to the topic and as stated I am making the assumption that the AE were not responsible for the artifacts.

> You
> are the one that stated that paradigm, not me.

Sorry, I have no idea what this means. There are those, including yourself, who believe these artifacts lie outside the purview of the Dynastic period which I have given the widest possible berth in favor of this idea setting it at 4,000BC and am conceding for sake of argument that this is true. I am simply asking, if so, what evidence is there to support this belief that these artifacts date to before this time?

> So,
> what's your own position on the provenance of the
> pyramids? What "evidence" can you site that
> associates the pyramids with "who", or "when" or
> "why"?

See below:

> > I have made my opinions on these matter quite
> > clear, but this is not what this thread is
> about.
>
> Well, I, too, have repeatedly and in large volume
> (based on the way some of you complain about the
> number of my posts) regarding the problems with an
> Old Kingdom provenance for the pyramids. I've
> mentioned countless times that we may not forget
> that the pyramids are indeed evidence reflecting
> the culture that built them, and that the pyramids
> cannot be accounted for by any known
> civilization.

Which is swell, but again not the point of the OP which presumes these beliefs to be true and asks the question if so then what is the evidence to show this happened anytime prior to 4,000BC?

> You may discount any and all of that discussion,
> but the facts are there,

Again, not about me and the OP for sake of argument actually concedes all of these points and asks if true then what is the evidence to support it happening prior to 4,000BC.

> the contradictions to
> historic cultures are there, the inability of
> anyone to plausibly associate the tools and
> methods required to build such a structure with
> any known civilization is not my opinion, it's all
> over these discussions.

No doubt it is, which if so what is the evidence that shows this all took place prior to 4,000BC?

> So as I said, I'm not sure what you expected to
> get from your OP other than your reluctance to
> offer your own information,

You are twisting it back on me to deflect away from the point of the OP and alleviate yourself and/or others of addressing the question in defense of the claims that say all of this took place prior to 4,000BC. Again, if it were not crystal clear, it has nothing to do with me or Egyptologists or anyone else who may or may not agree with these claims. The floor is given to you all, you've won the day and all these points are conceded to be true therefore all I am asking for is some kind of evidence to support the key tenet of this belief that any of this happened prior to 4,000BC.

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You know this is not true. Not taking the flame-bait, sorry.

> So sorry it's not what you were
> looking for (or was it?).

Dishonest deflective BS to derail the conversation? Nope. Sure ain't. Just trying to have an honest and open conversation here.

> I gave a very clear and tangible answer. You
> simply rejected it. Your privilege. Doesn't change
> my own approach one bit though. Thanks.

I have rejected nothing and have repeated probably at least a few dozen times now that the OP concedes these points accepting the AE were not responsible for any of these things and simply ask for you or anyone else to provide evidence to support the claims this was all done prior to 4,000BC. So far, you have offered nothing to support these claims and to your own discredit keep trying to deflect it back to me to avoid the question asked by the OP and derail the conversation. This is the only approach you seem to be unwilling to change which is unfortunate because this thread specifically gives you the voice to do the exact opposite for a change.

The OP asks the question: if the AE are in fact not responsible for this inexplicable stone working then what is the evidence it was done prior to 4,000BC? Obviously you are not able to provide any evidence and so far neither is anyone else. But if true, there must be something right?



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 13-Jul-16 03:18 by Thanos5150.