> You are the one making the claim to know precisely
> who why and when..
> Not me.
Assuming all of your arguments (and those of others) are CORRECT (that the pyramids were not built by the AEs), those arguments thereby claim the AEs did not build the pyramids. What I claim about them belonging to the 'accepted' time frame is irrelevant to the QUESTION IN THE OP.
To repeat for god knows how many times: If indeed the pyramids were not built by the AEs, WHO BUILT THEM? In order to answer this, evidence for these alternate builders must be supplied. No evidence means you cannot define the builders.
> For me it is "SOMEONE" as yet to be identified.
Simple logic, John. How exactly does archaeology go about identifying someone?
If you don't know the answer, you are a full-on moron. That's not being insulting, it is a fair value observation that you can't understand something so simple a )(&^G*% child could get it. I am galactically stunned I have to write the next sentence: They identify 'someone' with artifacts, i.e. physical evidence.
> Just like the builders of Goblekli Tepi.
> No Evidence.
Irrelevant deflection. We are not talking about Goblecki Tepi. Goblecki Tepi does not have an established society whereafter some group has claimed someone other than they built it long before 8-10k BCE. There is no pre-Gobeckli Tepi mysterious people being sought.
> You are making the precise claim.
> Not ME
We have said over and over: Our claims of the pyramids being in the 3rd Millennium BCE are hereby SUSPENDED, i.e. we are tentatively AGREEING WITH YOU the AEs didn't build them in order to pose the question: If they were built by someone else, who built them, and to know who built them, we need evidence of the existence of these people.
If there is no evidence of these mysterious people, then they don't exist.
This thread is really an attempt to get you to realize you have no evidence of a culture to have built the pyramids long before the 3rd Millennium BCE; to come to grips with the simplistic observation that a claim the AEs didn't build the pyramids must be substantiated beyond just stating it. In this, it may be a valiant attempt by Lee to get you to see your problems with it all by forcing your mind to self-realize the situation once confronted with a grand dilemna.
What we see from yourself, Philip, Sam and others is a complete failure for you to come to grips with the reality of 'no archaeological evidence means no people'. It's not a problem you have with me, nor Egyptology, but with the entire discipline of archaeology and its associated disciplines the world over.