> The date does not matter. The point is that
> 'sometime' in the archaeological record there must
> exist evidence of this 'mysterious' culture that
> built the pyramids. Having found these artifacts,
> the strata they are in will give is the
> approximate time.
I disagree. It's entirely possible that the civilization is so old that any delicate non-durable artifacts are long gone. Found and reused, destroyed, or resorbed back into Nature. No ashes, no bones, no clothing, no food, no fire pits, no papyrus...
> This thinking would then say the AEs still built
> them, just at a vastly different time.
Agreed, but then "AE" no longer applies to dynastic Egypt, but rather could be just another semantic term for what some of us are proposing as a civilization far more ancient than the dynastics.
> If that's
> the case, provide the concrete, dateable evidence
> that shows they were built long before the mid 3rd
> Millennium BCE.
You first. If you think they were made in the 3rd millennium BC, where's your dating evidence? If you don't think that's when they were built and/or have no proof of dating, then the hypothesis that they were built by a much earlier civilization is no weaker than yours.
> If the pyramids themselves are your evidence,
> please use this evidence to specifically identify
> the unique people who built them.
I'm far more interested in the original purpose of the pyramids and not so interested in who built them. It's possible that whoever built them existed such a long time ago that their monolithic artifacts are all that remain from their culture. In the meantime, there's every reason to continue to study the artifacts they left behind.
> Surely there
> would be different evidence in the ground around
> these structures that is acutely different than
> the AE cultural artifacts (pottery styles, writing
> system, art, etc). Know of any?
I have no reason to believe that's true, especially if the culture is very old and its infrastructure has been occupied by many different cultures since the time of that construction. It's entirely possible that one or more adaption societies removed any and all trace of the previous culture(s). It's a pattern throughout human history, so why would we expect the culture that built the pyramids to be treated any differently. Stonehenge is thought to have been built as recently as the 3rd millennium BC but it's anyone's guess which culture is responsible for its construction. So it's not really that much of a mystery how a very ancient culture might have dissipated beyond recognition...other than its most durable artifacts in stone.
> > Depending on how old they are,
> > we might not ever find evidence of any of their
> > personal artifacts of the culture other than the
> > construction they left behind since such artifacts
> > are generally less durable and more easily
> > destroyed, repurposed, or resorbed back into the
> > environment.
> This would bring into question the entire field of
> archaeology, including associated disciplines.
> Your case for Egypt would then have to be the one
> unique case in the entire history of the world
> where no artifacts survive of a 'mysterious'
> culture, in contrast to all the artifacts that
> help define cultures and people back 500,000 years
> to the present over the whole planet. People leave
> things lying around. That's a fact. If it is your
> judgement to question this, you will be left with
> the gargantuan task of rewriting the entire
> history of the planet.
Your characterization is incorrect. I just cited Stonehenge as one example of a lost culture. The bizarre stonework in the South American Andes is another example. Likewise for Gobekli and also the megaliths at Baalbek. What I've proposed is simply based on historic pattern around the planet and is not at all "unique" to the monolithic architecture along the Nile.
How can any of us ever know, when all we can do is think?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12-Jul-16 23:37 by Origyptian.