Origyptian Wrote:
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> R Avry Wilson Wrote [to aine]:
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> > The 'when' is inconsequential, and is not
> required to know 'who'
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> I don't understand that comment. "When" and "who"
> are intimately connected. If that construction was
> done 50,000 years earlier, it obviously wasn't
> done by the Dynastics; it would have to have been
> done by whoever was around 50,000 years ago.

The date does not matter. The point is that 'sometime' in the archaeological record there must exist evidence of this 'mysterious' culture that built the pyramids. Having found these artifacts, the strata they are in will give is the approximate time.


> Likewise, if the traditional Old Kingdom dynastics
> built the stuff, then the "when" is indeed
> "consequential" to the "who". In fact, it's
> possible that the "when" is more relevant than the
> "who", depending on the original purpose of those
> pyramids.


This thinking would then say the AEs still built them, just at a vastly different time. If that's the case, provide the concrete, dateable evidence that shows they were built long before the mid 3rd Millennium BCE.


> > In order to identify
> > these mystery people, there is no other way
> than
> > to find archeological evidence in the ground.
>
> Well, those monolithic structures strike me as
> some pretty awesome "archeological evidence in
> the ground".


If the pyramids themselves are your evidence, please use this evidence to specifically identify the unique people who built them. Surely there would be different evidence in the ground around these structures that is acutely different than the AE cultural artifacts (pottery styles, writing system, art, etc). Know of any?


> Depending on how old they are,
> we might not ever find evidence of any of their
> personal artifacts of the culture other than the
> construction they left behind since such artifacts
> are generally less durable and more easily
> destroyed, repurposed, or resorbed back into the
> environment.


This would bring into question the entire field of archaeology, including associated disciplines. Your case for Egypt would then have to be the one unique case in the entire history of the world where no artifacts survive of a 'mysterious' culture, in contrast to all the artifacts that help define cultures and people back 500,000 years to the present over the whole planet. People leave things lying around. That's a fact. If it is your judgement to question this, you will be left with the gargantuan task of rewriting the entire history of the planet.

To paraphrase your point: "The pyramids were not built by the ancient Egyptians, and the evidence is that they were built."

What?