> Lee is giving everyone the broadband 'out' by
> allowing the pyramids not being built in the
> 'accepted' timeframe. He is asking that if indeed
> all your points are correct and that this means
> they must have been built earlier, what evidence
> is there of the culture that built them earlier.
> If they were built earlier, WHO built them, and
> provide evidence for the WHO. Get it?
I take issue with that premise. It's not a valid argument to say essentially "If you think it's not what I say it is, then what's your evidence it's something else". The point is that if you say it's this or that, then you need to come up with your own evidence to support your own hypothesis. A hypothesis must be able to stand on its own merit.
If someone believes the monolithic monuments were made during the 3rd or 4th millennium BC, then they need to present such rationale and/or evidence to validate that hypothesis. Whether it's a 3rd or 4th millennium BC provenance is irrelevant to whether anyone else thinks it's possible they may have been built earlier. Any contention of provenance (as opposed to mere "possibility") must be able to stand on its own merit. It's just not clear to me that 3rd or 4th millennium BC accounts for all aspects of such a paradigm.
The traditional notion that the monuments attributed to Djoser, Sneferu, and his sons were all built in the 3rd millennium BC is untenable. There is virtually zero evidence supporting that notion and a lot that contradicts it, including the complete lack of evidence that the tools and methods existed to do that kind of work at that time, there isn't a single mention of those structures by the allegedly contemporaneous culture in any of its writings, and there is evidence that one or more of those monuments on Giza were already standing by the time a man named "Khufu" arrived during that time (and that's assuming the Dream Stele is referring to a physical living human named "Khufu").
If Thanos believes those monuments were built during the 4th millennium BC, then he apparently also believes it's at least possible that they weren't built during the 3rd millennium BC. However, the cultures in that part of the world during the 4th millennium BC still had a written language and it's still recent enough that at least part of the historic record of such a massive construction project has an excellent chance of surviving. Meanwhile, they likely had less technological capability compared to what was available in the 3rd millennium BC, and in my opinion it is questionable whether any evidence of building or acknowledging the existing of those monuments could have totally vanished without any trace in only those few centuries. Thanos would need to present his hypothesis about the timeline for the development of such technology and methods, and any record of such an enormous engineering undertaking in Egypt -- 75% of all pyramid masonry of the entire Dynastic was already completed by the 4th Dynasty and represents the Dynastics' best work compared to the next couple of millennia. One needs to explain how such a massive construction project could have happened in the span of only about 200 years at the beginning of the Dynastic era along with a plausible explanation of how such a vast volume of knowledge could be completely forgotten, despite the availability of a known written language, in such a relatively short period of time.
That the evidence renders a 3rd millennium BC provenance untenable is what prompts some of us to explore the possibility that they were built far earlier to allow enough time for technological and cultural amnesia. But that doesn't place the burden on any of us to prove they weren't constructed in this or that millennia. Rather, those who have a contention that the construction was 3rd or 4th millennium BC must provide evidence to back up that claim so it can stand on its own merit.
I can't speak for anyone else, but my concern is not that those monolithic structure were built in this or that millennium. Rather, my position is to question whether they were built at a time that's strongly contended by others. I just don't see the evidence that allows for such development, construction, and subsequent amnesia. How did the cultural dynamics of the 4th millennium BC allows for all of that to develop, happen, and dissipate in such a small period of time?
How can any of us ever know, when all we can do is think?
Edited 6 time(s). Last edit at 12-Jul-16 13:43 by Origyptian.