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cladking Wrote:
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> You're missing the point and the statement that I
> could go on and on should have given it to you.
No, I am not and you really shouldn't.
> There is nothing in the culture from the great
> pyramid building age that suggests they built
> great pyramids.
...let's assume the AE did not build the pyramids. Let's assume the AE just walked in off the desert, from somewhere c. 4,000BC, and found all of this stuff: all the pyramids, all the granite and megalithic temples from one end of the Nile to the other, all the fantastic stone vases and statues all just sitting there. On, and on, and on.
What is the evidence, or "several compelling reasons" as it were, that any of these objects or construction predated 4,000BC?
See? It is you who are missing the point Cladking. What does that say above?
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See in bold above.
> There's nothing set in stone and nothing
> that you can point to that says the Great pyramid
> was built in 2470 BC by Egyptians like
> Egyptologists believe.
Again, this is 100% irrelevant as to the question posed in the OP. And at least understand what you are talking about-Egyptologists do not believe G1 was built in 2470BC. This comes from Kate Spence alone.
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Cladking claptrap.
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Same old crap. "Egyptologists believe this" "Egyptologists believe that". Are you honestly so polluted you cannot comprehend the question being asked not only in the OP let alone the hole that was just torn in your backside about repeating the same nonsense over and over again?
WHO CARES WHAT EGYPTOLOGISTS SAY ABOUT ANYTHING. I am asking specifically: ASSUMING THE AE WERE NOT RESPONSIBLE, WHAT IS THE EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THE BELIEF THE MEGALITHIC MONUMENTS AND STONE ARTIFACTS IN QUESTION WERE CREATED PRIOR TO 4,000BC?
> What I believe is irrelevant. The fact of the
> matter is there is almost no evidence to tie the
> Great Pyramid to the time and culture that are
> believed to have made them.
This is the only evidence which is the point of the OP is that I am asking for those who believe otherwise to provide evidence to the contrary unrelated to what one believes the AE could or could not do.
> You asked for reasons to believe the pyramids
> weren't built in 2470 BC
No, I did not. I said nothing about 2470BC and specifically asked for evidence/reasons why these monuments and artifacts predate 4,000BC with the assumption being the AE did not in fact make them.
> and I merely provided
> some powerful reasons to believe they were not.
You provided nothing other than the same nonsense you always do. You didn;t even read and/or understand what the OP actually says.
> Of course there are more
> reasons to suggest great pyramids or G1 are older
> but they aren't as good and are largely
> interpretation. G1 seems to stand alone in many
> ways so even if the other great pyramids were
> built by Egyptians then it wouldn't necessarily
> apply here.
It is a funny thing that all anyone who shares these beliefs can think about is the Great Pyramid. As if it fell out of the sky. At best, the other great pyramids are mentioned once in awhile in passing though they are often ignored otherwise. What about the temples? The statues? The stoneware? Its all part of the argument being made by some here. G1 does not exists in a vacuum.
Again:
...let's assume the AE did not build the pyramids. Let's assume the AE just walked in off the desert, from somewhere c. 4,000BC, and found all of this stuff: all the pyramids, all the granite and megalithic temples from one end of the Nile to the other, all the fantastic stone vases and statues all just sitting there. On, and on, and on.
What is the evidence, or "several compelling reasons" as it were, that any of these objects or construction predated 4,000BC?
All people do here is argue about what they believe the AE could or could not do or did or did not have, more often that not from a place of ignorance and self delusion, which I am trying to eliminate that. OTHER than what one thinks of the AE, what is the evidence to support the belief these monuments and artifacts were made prior to 4,000BC. Geological? Carbon dating? Astronomy? Textual? Archeological or anthropological? Surely there must be SOMETHING beyond one's own beliefs? I can start a list. Can any of you?
This is why I quote Graham:
This doesn't just mean "something", it means everything.
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> You're missing the point and the statement that I
> could go on and on should have given it to you.
No, I am not and you really shouldn't.
> There is nothing in the culture from the great
> pyramid building age that suggests they built
> great pyramids.
...let's assume the AE did not build the pyramids. Let's assume the AE just walked in off the desert, from somewhere c. 4,000BC, and found all of this stuff: all the pyramids, all the granite and megalithic temples from one end of the Nile to the other, all the fantastic stone vases and statues all just sitting there. On, and on, and on.
What is the evidence, or "several compelling reasons" as it were, that any of these objects or construction predated 4,000BC?
See? It is you who are missing the point Cladking. What does that say above?
[snip]
See in bold above.
> There's nothing set in stone and nothing
> that you can point to that says the Great pyramid
> was built in 2470 BC by Egyptians like
> Egyptologists believe.
Again, this is 100% irrelevant as to the question posed in the OP. And at least understand what you are talking about-Egyptologists do not believe G1 was built in 2470BC. This comes from Kate Spence alone.
[snip]
Cladking claptrap.
[snip]
Same old crap. "Egyptologists believe this" "Egyptologists believe that". Are you honestly so polluted you cannot comprehend the question being asked not only in the OP let alone the hole that was just torn in your backside about repeating the same nonsense over and over again?
WHO CARES WHAT EGYPTOLOGISTS SAY ABOUT ANYTHING. I am asking specifically: ASSUMING THE AE WERE NOT RESPONSIBLE, WHAT IS THE EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THE BELIEF THE MEGALITHIC MONUMENTS AND STONE ARTIFACTS IN QUESTION WERE CREATED PRIOR TO 4,000BC?
> What I believe is irrelevant. The fact of the
> matter is there is almost no evidence to tie the
> Great Pyramid to the time and culture that are
> believed to have made them.
This is the only evidence which is the point of the OP is that I am asking for those who believe otherwise to provide evidence to the contrary unrelated to what one believes the AE could or could not do.
> You asked for reasons to believe the pyramids
> weren't built in 2470 BC
No, I did not. I said nothing about 2470BC and specifically asked for evidence/reasons why these monuments and artifacts predate 4,000BC with the assumption being the AE did not in fact make them.
> and I merely provided
> some powerful reasons to believe they were not.
You provided nothing other than the same nonsense you always do. You didn;t even read and/or understand what the OP actually says.
> Of course there are more
> reasons to suggest great pyramids or G1 are older
> but they aren't as good and are largely
> interpretation. G1 seems to stand alone in many
> ways so even if the other great pyramids were
> built by Egyptians then it wouldn't necessarily
> apply here.
It is a funny thing that all anyone who shares these beliefs can think about is the Great Pyramid. As if it fell out of the sky. At best, the other great pyramids are mentioned once in awhile in passing though they are often ignored otherwise. What about the temples? The statues? The stoneware? Its all part of the argument being made by some here. G1 does not exists in a vacuum.
Again:
...let's assume the AE did not build the pyramids. Let's assume the AE just walked in off the desert, from somewhere c. 4,000BC, and found all of this stuff: all the pyramids, all the granite and megalithic temples from one end of the Nile to the other, all the fantastic stone vases and statues all just sitting there. On, and on, and on.
What is the evidence, or "several compelling reasons" as it were, that any of these objects or construction predated 4,000BC?
All people do here is argue about what they believe the AE could or could not do or did or did not have, more often that not from a place of ignorance and self delusion, which I am trying to eliminate that. OTHER than what one thinks of the AE, what is the evidence to support the belief these monuments and artifacts were made prior to 4,000BC. Geological? Carbon dating? Astronomy? Textual? Archeological or anthropological? Surely there must be SOMETHING beyond one's own beliefs? I can start a list. Can any of you?
This is why I quote Graham:
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Those of us working on an alternative history of humanity need to hold ourselves to standards of evidence AT LEAST AS HIGH as is demanded of mainstream scholars if we are ever to get history rewritten.
This doesn't just mean "something", it means everything.
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