> I'm not sure what to glean from the modern
> artistic renderings of those monuments.
As I quoted there are numerous examples of reliefs/painting of temples with flags at the entrances so we can take these modern renditions for what they are worth.
> interesting that the artists ignored the smaller
> vertical rows of holes next to those recesses at
> both Edfu and Philae? Maybe they were confused
> with Rameses II.
It's just art to illustrate a point, not schematics. Here's one for you though if it makes you feel better:
This drawing shows clamps on the poles, again not saying this is a 100% accurate depiction or not, but as an aside they did find metal clamps and/or their sockets still in situ on/near some of the tops of the niches or by the windows.
> It would be nice to see such flag poles decorating
> the masonry depicted in actual ancient
> inscriptions; too bad the Dynastics didn't leave
> us a graphic record of the stone monuments.
Is "it would be nice to see" a request for me to find them for you? I'll oblige:
Flagpoles at Akhetaten Source: Richard Lepsius, Denkmäler aus Aegypten und Aethiopien (reshafim.org)
To quote from this source:
They were often solid structures with their interiors filled with rubble (the Amarna talatat on which scenes of life in Akhenaten's capital are depicted, survived thanks to being reused in this way), but many enclosed rooms and stairways. The tops of the pylon ended often in cavetto cornices. Flagpoles were attached to their fronts, and the flags could be attached to the poles through small windows. Pylons were often decorated with painted reliefs depicting the destruction of enemies of Egypt, reminding the temple visitors of the power of the king. The number of pylons differed from temple to temple, many having just one but the Amen temple at Karnak as many as ten.
Another source regarding temple flags:
Pylons at Egyptian temples were often adorned with large wooden flagstaffs topped by colorful cloth banners. The tall poles stood on stone bases, and were arranged within square notches left in the pylonʼs exterior masonry. Clamps secured to the pylon itself further stabilized their upper portions, holes for which are still visible today.9 While the wooden flagstaffs have long since disappeared, carved and painted scenes in Theban temples and tombs depict a number of
these from Karnak,10 showing that they would have extended even above the giant pylon towers. Research at Karnakʼs ninth pylon shows that the base of one of its wooden poles measured over a meter wide.11
"...too bad the Dynastics didn't leave us a graphic record of the stone monuments."
Do these count:
Regardless, not as many as we would like, but they did, though I think it's kind of weird to draw pictures of temples on temples. Seems a bit redundant.
> Much of the ship wood allegedly came from Lebanon.
Not allegedly. Did. The rest was regional/local acacia wood.
> Is that where you think they got the wood for flag
It's possible, but cedar wood was expensive though it may have been worth it to them. To quote myself in an ancient post to Cladking:
The Mesopotamians had the same challenges as the AE but they did just fine for wood for whatever endeavor they choose because they imported it. Ironically you say that almost half of the AE population lived on the Sudanese border which in ancient times [the] Sudan (todays Sudan/South Sudan and Ethiopia) was at least 50% covered by dense forest. In the 1970's, after extensive clear cutting, Sudan was still 38% forest. If the AE were able to continuously import large quantities of cedar wood from Mesopotamia from the beginnings of Dynastic times (see Archaic Egypt Walter B Emery), I'm sure it would have been second nature to get wood from their neighbors to the south, home of the legendary Punt (Ethiopia) no less whom the AE had a special affinity for since the most ancient times, and take it right up the Nile or the Red Sea.
There are trees along the Nile as well.
> We see lots of ship wood, furniture wood, tools
> containing wood; I'm not familiar with wood flag
> pole artifacts.
We find these things only because they are buried in one way or another. I am not sure why a 100ft flag pole would be purposely or accidentally buried.
> It's certaintly possible that they
> "dovetailed and clamped" multiple segments
> together. Those large holes strike me as
> excessively large to accommodate a flag pole
See quotes above.
> and those recesses (and the large square
> holes above them) might be more tightly related to
> the smaller vertical rows of holes next to them.
> How do you account for those smaller holes at Edfu
> and Philae?
Sorry, not exactly sure what you are reffering to.
Edited 7 time(s). Last edit at 04-Aug-17 04:01 by Thanos5150.