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M. J. Thomas Wrote:
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> Hello All,
>
> Question: What exactly needs to be done to
> establish once and for all whether or not this
> infamous cartouche is a fake?
>
> Question: Are digital photographs of the cartouche
> really of any use beyond showing us in sharp
> detail what it looks like?

What exactly needs to be done to establish once and for all whether or not the infamous Shroud of Turin is a fake?

You see the problem?

We know that 14C tests were done and we know that diehard Shroudies found ways of dismissing them. Why would this case be any different? Why would people who think Vyse was a liar—who are more than halfway to denouncing the entirety of “Egyptology” as a lucrative fraud—whose “thinking” is riddled with conspiracism—accept what a lab says? We’d be told that the sampling was done improperly, or the samples were switched, or the result was down to contamination, or the lab was in on it, or something like this:

“Vyse found a cache of ancient Egyptian paint. He broke the vessels containing it and had Hill and Raven pound the dried-up paint into powder. Then they added the purest water they could find (distilled) and used the resulting paint for the forgery.”

http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?1,335235,335933#msg-335933

Your question presupposes an interested community with standards in common. There is no such community.

The only thing driving these calls for tests is the forgery idea. Those who think like this already are the people on Earth least likely to accept results which contradict their preconceptions: the option of crying “conspiracy!” is already built into their thinking. Give this lot their way and they would test and test and test until there is nothing left. As we have seen already, people like this need to be kept away from the pyramids (and note how consistently they excuse what Görlitz and Erdmann did).

As long as they have use for it, people will find “reasons” to believe in the “Vyse forgery”.

M.

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Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 1681 M. J. Thomas 08-Jul-16 12:22
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 599 DScribr 08-Jul-16 12:57
P.P.S 429 DScribr 08-Jul-16 13:24
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 698 Origyptian 08-Jul-16 13:22
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 498 cladking 08-Jul-16 13:46
debate – what’s needed? 429 DScribr 08-Jul-16 16:00
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 376 Warwick 08-Jul-16 16:15
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 448 Origyptian 08-Jul-16 16:25
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 559 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-16 16:40
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 465 Warwick 08-Jul-16 17:14
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 676 Brian Patterson 08-Jul-16 17:35
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 496 Warwick 08-Jul-16 17:41
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 431 Martin Stower 08-Jul-16 16:25
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 502 Jon Ellison 08-Jul-16 13:23
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 556 Martin Stower 08-Jul-16 15:04
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 427 Warwick 08-Jul-16 16:21
Hey MJ :) 493 Warwick 08-Jul-16 16:40
Re: Hey MJ :) 514 M. J. Thomas 08-Jul-16 19:28
Re: Hey MJ :) 412 Origyptian 08-Jul-16 19:39
Re: Hey MJ :) 407 M. J. Thomas 08-Jul-16 20:58
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 461 Origyptian 08-Jul-16 17:58
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 515 Jon Ellison 08-Jul-16 18:17
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 389 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-16 18:28
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 378 Martin Stower 08-Jul-16 18:35
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Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 365 Origyptian 08-Jul-16 18:42
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 432 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-16 18:49
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 463 Origyptian 08-Jul-16 18:51
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 501 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-16 19:05
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 425 Origyptian 08-Jul-16 19:12
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 383 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-16 19:30
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 409 Origyptian 08-Jul-16 19:44
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 413 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-16 20:35
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 351 Origyptian 08-Jul-16 21:21
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 495 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-16 21:45
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 397 DScribr 08-Jul-16 21:57
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 500 Origyptian 08-Jul-16 22:12
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 418 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-16 22:42
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 323 Origyptian 08-Jul-16 22:52
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 480 Martin Stower 08-Jul-16 20:54
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 440 Audrey 08-Jul-16 20:59
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 502 Martin Stower 08-Jul-16 21:28
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 463 Audrey 08-Jul-16 21:44
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 407 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-16 21:51
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 396 Audrey 08-Jul-16 21:58
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 417 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-16 22:04
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 417 DScribr 08-Jul-16 22:05
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 374 Origyptian 08-Jul-16 22:23
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 398 Audrey 08-Jul-16 22:38
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 417 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-16 22:45
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 438 Audrey 08-Jul-16 22:56
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 482 Martin Stower 08-Jul-16 23:17
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 404 Audrey 09-Jul-16 00:21
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 439 Martin Stower 09-Jul-16 00:35
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 476 Thanos5150 09-Jul-16 02:07
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 503 Audrey 09-Jul-16 02:52
Re: OK Folks....it's Time to play.....Name That Pharaoh! 520 Thunderbird 09-Jul-16 03:19
Re: OK Folks....it's Time to play.....Name That Pharaoh! 420 DScribr 09-Jul-16 03:22
Re: OK Folks....it's Time to play.....Name That Pharaoh! 524 Audrey 09-Jul-16 03:47
Re: Time for a mid east cruise : ) 433 Thunderbird 09-Jul-16 05:39
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Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 427 Origyptian 09-Jul-16 15:28
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 505 Martin Stower 09-Jul-16 18:14
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 451 Origyptian 09-Jul-16 18:19
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 506 Martin Stower 09-Jul-16 19:54
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 399 Origyptian 09-Jul-16 23:16
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 471 Martin Stower 10-Jul-16 00:36
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 471 Corpuscles 10-Jul-16 02:39
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 602 Martin Stower 10-Jul-16 14:34
Real debate – what’s needed??? 405 DScribr 10-Jul-16 03:59
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 455 Origyptian 10-Jul-16 04:33
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 450 Thanos5150 10-Jul-16 04:46
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 378 Origyptian 09-Jul-16 15:06
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 373 Thanos5150 09-Jul-16 16:48
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 379 Origyptian 09-Jul-16 17:02
Good Spelling-what’s needed??? 478 DScribr 09-Jul-16 19:33
Re: Good Spelling-what’s needed??? 407 Thanos5150 09-Jul-16 23:02
Good Spelling IS Needed In Transliteration. 408 DScribr 10-Jul-16 03:50
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Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 458 Corpuscles 10-Jul-16 02:56
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 482 Thanos5150 10-Jul-16 03:34
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 468 Corpuscles 10-Jul-16 03:55
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Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 390 Origyptian 10-Jul-16 04:17
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 505 Thanos5150 10-Jul-16 04:44
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 492 Audrey 10-Jul-16 05:42
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Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 399 Audrey 08-Jul-16 23:00
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Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 377 Origyptian 08-Jul-16 19:24
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 374 Martin Stower 08-Jul-16 20:19
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 367 R Avry Wilson 09-Jul-16 06:14
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Re: Links R US 379 DScribr 09-Jul-16 13:33
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