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Jon Ellison Wrote:
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> Martin Stower Wrote:
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> > Jon Ellison Wrote:
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> > > I think what is becoming abundantly clear is that
> > > the relationship between ancient Egyptian
> > > hieroglyphic signifiers and the signified is very
> > > loose and therefore open to subjective
> > > interpretation.
> > > Similar in many ways to heraldry?
> >
> > Jon,
> >
> > You’d learn more from a linguistics course than
> > from Saussure via Barthes via Anglophone admirers
> > of Parisian babble.
> >
> > As a rule it’s arts people (who aren’t doing
> > anything real with it) who buy into
> > structuralism’s hyperbolic version of Saussure,
> > the entire basis of which is a posthumous
> > publication of his remarks in a brief series of
> > lectures on method, taken up by Barthes et al. as
> > a definitive revelation on the nature of language.
> > As a debunk of a lot of nonsense on the topic, I
> > recommend Saussure: Signs, System and
> > Arbitrariness by David Holdcroft.
> >
> > Now go and read De la grammatologie. That
> > will keep you quiet for a while.
> >
> > M.
>
> We're talking about Signs. Signifiers and
> meaning.
> Unless of course you have had the opportunity for
> dialogue with an Ancient Egyptian in the recent
> past.
> Martin you can BS some of the time, But not all of
> the time.
> I've no doubt that the weak minded will follow
> every word You say ..
> Now you go read the "Truth in Painting". Same
> author.
> Ich Chi..
> Over and out.
Since you put it so nicely, Jon, what I’m doing is precisely exposing the source of your BS on le signe linguistique: arts department blither-blather, a garbling of structuralism’s garbling of Saussure.
Those who are not weak minded will have worked out already that I have some idea of what I’m talking about.
You’re trying to bring together two different things in neither of which you are competent. I suggest you work on both before continuing.
M.
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> Martin Stower Wrote:
> -------------------------------------------------------
> > Jon Ellison Wrote:
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> > > I think what is becoming abundantly clear is that
> > > the relationship between ancient Egyptian
> > > hieroglyphic signifiers and the signified is very
> > > loose and therefore open to subjective
> > > interpretation.
> > > Similar in many ways to heraldry?
> >
> > Jon,
> >
> > You’d learn more from a linguistics course than
> > from Saussure via Barthes via Anglophone admirers
> > of Parisian babble.
> >
> > As a rule it’s arts people (who aren’t doing
> > anything real with it) who buy into
> > structuralism’s hyperbolic version of Saussure,
> > the entire basis of which is a posthumous
> > publication of his remarks in a brief series of
> > lectures on method, taken up by Barthes et al. as
> > a definitive revelation on the nature of language.
> > As a debunk of a lot of nonsense on the topic, I
> > recommend Saussure: Signs, System and
> > Arbitrariness by David Holdcroft.
> >
> > Now go and read De la grammatologie. That
> > will keep you quiet for a while.
> >
> > M.
>
> We're talking about Signs. Signifiers and
> meaning.
> Unless of course you have had the opportunity for
> dialogue with an Ancient Egyptian in the recent
> past.
> Martin you can BS some of the time, But not all of
> the time.
> I've no doubt that the weak minded will follow
> every word You say ..
> Now you go read the "Truth in Painting". Same
> author.
> Ich Chi..
> Over and out.
Since you put it so nicely, Jon, what I’m doing is precisely exposing the source of your BS on le signe linguistique: arts department blither-blather, a garbling of structuralism’s garbling of Saussure.
Those who are not weak minded will have worked out already that I have some idea of what I’m talking about.
You’re trying to bring together two different things in neither of which you are competent. I suggest you work on both before continuing.
M.
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