Audrey Wrote:
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> Martin Stower Wrote:
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> > Another case where the limitations of your
> > knowledge are the entirety of the problem, but you
> > can’t take anyone saying so.
>
> Do you cranky old farts wake up in the morning
> looking for a bone to chew on? Retirement must
> suck.

See what I mean. So much for your principled objection to personal remarks.

> None of you are experts on hieroglyphs, although
> you'd like to think you are, why should I believe
> your translation? Wiki could be correct. IT IS A
> NAME, OF A GIRL

What on earth are you talking about? What is a name, of a girl?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seneb#Sculpture_of_Seneb_and_his_family

‘The names of three children are recorded,[13] though the third child was not depicted on the sculpture - presumably for reasons of symmetry. They were named after Seneb's royal masters; his son was called Radjedef-Ankh ("May Radjedef live"), his eldest daughter was Awib-Khufu ("Happy is Khufu") and his younger daughter was Smeret-Radjedef ("Companion of Radjedef").[14] They are depicted with normal proportions, suggesting that they did not inherit their father's condition.[9]’

Wiki is correct. You are not.

> There is a Khufu name on a statue, naming a girl.

The cartouche name Khufu plus the other characters names the girl. Most ancient Egyptian names are just a bunch of hieroglyphs, with nothing like a cartouche to delimit them. The cartouche here is for the royal name only, not the name of the child, which has nothing drawn around it to delimit it.

> And you want to invent rules to work around the
> obvious.

No one is inventing rules to work around anything. This is standard, basic, introductory stuff.

> For once you're not taking an inscribed statue at
> face value. The cartouche is there! Whether it's a
> "happy" Khufu or "work crew" Khufu, it is the
> exact same cartouche.

Yes, Audrey, the cartouche name Khufu plus the other characters gives the name of the work crew.

The cartouche name Khufu plus the other characters gives the name of the child: Awib-Khufu, “Happy is Khufu”.

There is no face value if you don’t know the system. You don’t. You half-know a couple of things and you think you know it all.

> Browbeating me won't erase the cartouche or the
> girl.

Ranting won’t erase the characters with the cartouche. Nor will your inability to read them or understand what they are there for.

How you manage not to get this with a chorus of people explaining it to you escapes me.

M.