Martin Stower Wrote:
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> Thunderbird Wrote:
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> -----
> > Radiocarbon Dating
> >
> > Egyptologists date the 4th dynasty kings Khufu
> and
> > Khafre to the period 2500-2400 BC. However, the
> > 1983-84 ‘Pyramids Carbon-dating Project’,
> > commissioned and funded by the Edgar Cayce
> > Foundation, and directed by the Egyptologists
> Mark
> > Lehner and Robert Wenke, discovered some highly
> > anomalous results.
> >
> > For example, thirteen samples of mortar from
> the
> > Great Pyramid produced dates in the range
> > 3101-2853 BC, and an average date of 2977 BC.
> > Similarly, seven samples of mortar from the
> Second
> > Pyramid produced an average date of 2988 BC.
> > Equally intriguing, a sample of wood from
> > ‘Khufu’s Boat’, buried alongside the
> Great
> > Pyramid, produced a remarkable date of 3400 BC.
> >
> > Such was the confusion caused by the 1983-84
> > ‘Pyramids Carbon-dating Project’ that a
> > second, more thorough study was carried out in
> > 1995. The results of this study were published
> > (belatedly) in 2001 in the journal
> > ‘Radiocarbon’, volume 43, number 3, pp.
> > 1297-1320. 
> > [www.eridu.co.uk]
> >
> >
> > Could it be just this obvious the Giza Plateau
> and
> > Temples with the Sphinx are
> > Pre Dynastic in age?
> >
> > The Mastaba build continues thru early Dynastic
> > and zenith in Stone Mastaba during
> > 4th Dynasty.
> >
> > Snefru's Seila-pyramid and others....
> >
> > Is he really building the 3 huge pyramids
> ascribed
> > to him
> > Or is he building smaller pyramids....mastabas
> and
> > other buildings as he adopts the
> > 3 large pyramids which are extant in his day.
> >
> > The above radio carbon dates indicate they are
> > repairing extant Pyramids in Dynasty 1!!
> >
> > That Snefru Cartouche or his work gangs
> graffiti
> > appear on casing stones of the big
> > Pyramids...is suggestive he is repairing them.
> >
> > Just a the Valley Temple gets granite repair to
> > severe erosion limestone core blocks during the
> > 4th Dynasty.
>
> Did you not think that this merits a thread of its
> own?
>
> Why are you citing Alford and not the original
> papers?
>
> What I’m getting from this is that the
> “lost” civilisation was really, really bad at
> building pyramids (or anything else). I mean,
> really **** at it. So **** that it was left to
> the bumpkins of the Old Kingdom to extensively
> “repair” its buildings, repairs so extensive
> as to account for all of the radiocarbon dates.
> How convenient.

Who said anything about them being good at it?
Precision is shown where necessary and not where it isn't.
Economy of production, Production engineering.


>
> What seems oddly not to occur to the fringe (which
> is engaged in rationalisation, not thought) is
> that such a programme would require solutions to
> most (if not all) of the problems entailed in
> building the pyramids and temples in the first
> place.

What exactly is such a "programme" that would require solutions entailed in building the pyramids in the first place?
I was under the impression that the Old Kingdom repairs consisted of little more than the pouring of cement/plaster/glue
and minor block work.


Our “lost” civilisation proponents
> credit the Old Kingdom masons ad hoc with
> precisely those abilities which they otherwise
> deny them.

Where? Do you mean granite cladding or skin repairs?
Old Kingdom masons would probably have had the ability to re-purpose and recycle existing granite blocks.
They would have been foolish not to.

>
> This stuff about granite repairs to limestone core
> blocks is arrant nonsense. Clue is in the name:
> core blocks. As Lehner noted, without the casing,
> it isn’t finished architecture. What happened
> to the original casing? Mice?

Do you mean the pyramid core blocks?? Can you be specific.

>
> You’re also going to need to explain how they
> installed the granite lintel underneath a massive
> limestone one (western doorway of Khafre Valley
> Temple: credit to Lawton and Ogilvie-Herald for
> noticing).

Can you please provide images and/or drawings, I'd be interested in taking a look. Thanks.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 14-Jun-16 12:47 by Jon Ellison.