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Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> Warwick Wrote:
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> > But, that Royal Forts/Enclosures were
> > Demonstrative in nature. Thus supporting the
> > notion of Constantly reemphasising the Power of
> > the King's role in their society , culture, and
> > beliefs.
>
> It does which part and parcel of this
> demonstration in Dynasty 0/1 was the ritual murder
> of hundreds and hundreds of human subjects and
> family members not to mention animals in which one
> king is even buried with a pair of lions. The
> human toll to satisfy the needs of the dead king
> was quite gruesome and prolific, a practice that
> no doubt came from Mesopotamia. This mass murder
> discontinues in 2nd Dynasty tombs which I would
> suggest may have been part of the reason for the
> collapse of the Dynastic state in the 2nd Dynasty
> in that this insane and senseless foreign custom
> was forced upon them by these larger than life
> foreign Thinite kings which eventually they
> rebelled leading to civil war.
>
> > Could it be that all or some of these early
> > enclosures were tombs for the King?
> > Possible, but not very likely imho
>
> Given there tombs are also found not in the
> enclosure this would appear to give us a clear
> answer.
>
> > Could it be that some Pyramids were cenotaphs?
> > Of course, we no of some attributed to Hun up
> and
> > down the river.
> > And Sneferu couldn't have used all 3
>
> There is no doubt pyramids resided within a
> funerary context, possibly de facto, but all
> things considered I think regardless of their
> actual purpose they were ever intended to inter
> the physical body of the king.
>
> > But, where any of em tombs?
> > My understanding of the evidence says yes
>
> I think none of them were built to be and if a I
> noted is any indication the expectation from the
> earliest of times is the body of the king would be
> buried elsewhere.
>
> > Does the possibility that the King's were
> > "finally" entombed elsewhere alter the
> > demonstrative, belief driven impetus towards
> > pyramid building by the OK rulers?
> >
> > No. Not in my opinion
>
> It changes their purpose i.e. the reason they were
> built.
>
> > Herodotus cannot be completely ignored but I
> > suggest that everyone should read reread or
> Google
> > his complete commentary on Gaza and Khufu.
> Those
> > priests definitely told a few porky pies about
> > him, who is to say that the "King is/was not
> there
> > was the truth? They were priests. They
> definitely
> > would have had an agenda in that regard.
>
> No doubt, but no matter who we read the prevailing
> meme of this era was that in fact they were not
> buried within the pyramids. By no means "proof" of
> course, but it adds to the circumstantial
> narrative not to mention the fact even Mark Lehner
> has said no royal burial as ever been found
> in any pyramid.


and only a few in any other royal Grave, mastaba, or rock cut tomb.

The point is moot. The King's who weren't disturbed in ancient times, were looterd endlessly since for their treasures. The best way to get at the fetishes wrapped within the mummy was to burn same..leaving the gold and silver. In the 19th century mummies were being used as fuel for trains. Every Victorian Mansion longed to have one in their parlour.

Even today, tombs have to be bricked up and guarded or people will chip the very reliefs off the wall.

There are a lot of arguments that can be made for Pyramids being tombs or Cenotaphs or sometimes one or the other.....but a body not being found in one is a very weak one(argument).


Warwick

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Warwick L Nixon, March 8, 2019

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Re: Additional Thought regarding Abydos Royal Enclosures 736 Graham Chase 07-Jun-16 19:14
Re: Additional Thought regarding Abydos Royal Enclosures 806 Thanos5150 07-Jun-16 21:04
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Re: Additional Thought regarding Abydos Royal Enclosures 723 charly 17-Jun-16 17:55
Re: Additional Thought regarding Abydos Royal Enclosures 1193 Thanos5150 17-Jun-16 21:36
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Re: Troubles with the 2nd Dynasty. 708 Graham Chase 07-Jun-16 13:21
Re: Troubles with the 2nd Dynasty. 873 Thanos5150 07-Jun-16 21:47
Re: Troubles with the 2nd Dynasty. 741 Graham Chase 08-Jun-16 09:48
Re: Troubles with the 2nd Dynasty. 736 Thanos5150 08-Jun-16 16:01
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