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Hi Corp.

Corpuscles Wrote:
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> As you know (as you have been a major valuable
> contributor) to much recent discussion here about
> the advent or introduction of the cartouche and
> timing of moving away from the serekh.
>
>
> This one, Senedj is considered to be 2nd dynasty.
>
>
>
> Whilst I only link wiki
> Senedj[/
> url] there seems to be solid references and
> discussion from numerous mainstream professionals
> attesting to this relatively unknown (aren't they
> all) pharaoh. There is further conjecture that it
> may refer to another 2nd dynasty pharoah
>
S
> eth -Peribsen

>
> It would seem that current thought Seth Peribsen (
> only his Seth name extant?) broke with convention
> and is yet another example of ubrupt change for
> short time favoured gods.
>
> For anyone interested in reading , there are other
> interesting but confused aspects of these two
> resolutely declared 2nd dynasty kings, as having
> confusing interaction with Giza and the 4th
> Dynasty.
>
> If this interests you perhaps given your strong
> contention of late 3rd or 4th Dynasty invention of
> cartouche perhaps you would like to present a case
> that currently held Egyptology has it wrong and
> Senedj must have been post 4th Dynasty?

Sorry, I'm not sure what you are trying to say. The cartouche you show above is from the 19th Dynasty Abydos king list which all the pharaohs names prior to the 4th Dynasty are written in a cartouche.
HERE.

I think you got tricked by your List of Pharoahs wiki link.

Have I proved my case?

> Something that I had been considering and
> strangely you have again interestingly raised in
> recent times is the discussion and musing about
> the appearance of stautes as they relate to the
> various "dynastys"
>
> Again I only link the kings list from wiki being
> sure that the fine contributing members here can
> access much better or more complete sources for
> such.
>
> [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pharaoh
> s]Wiki- List of Pharaohs[/url]
>
>
> If one scrolls down through all the dynastys I
> draw readers attention to the considerable
> disconnect betweeen the appearance and the quality
> and style of workmanship of kings statues.
>
> There are the marvelous large hard stone very
> regal (ancient?) looking ones wearing Nemes, the
> painted almost modern man looking dudes, etc etc
>
> They appear to me easily grouped.... BUT... that
> grouping of style etc does not in any way conform
> to the placement of individuals in various
> dynasties.

You'd have to give me some specific examples.

> I appreciate archaeology does [i]it's very
> best[/i] to determine dynasty often with good
> evidence however so much of it is based on
> contradictory kings lists ....

Much of it is a total mess, I agree.

> which only start at
> the palermo stone which is way after the MOST
> interesting part; being the beginnings of this
> civilization we group into one called Ancient
> Egyptians.
>
> No hard and resulute opinions, just making a
> little contribution to troubles of 2nd D, no
> demand for ANY[i]higher standard of proof[/i] or
> anything as rediculous! as that worn tired shabby
> torn dogmatic mantra! ;-)

So what are you trying to say my friend?



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Troubles with the 2nd Dynasty. 5305 Thanos5150 07-Jun-16 01:34
Re: Additional Thought regarding Abydos Royal Enclosures 795 Thanos5150 07-Jun-16 02:53
Re: Additional Thought regarding Abydos Royal Enclosures 791 Warwick 07-Jun-16 15:44
Re: Additional Thought regarding Abydos Royal Enclosures 737 Graham Chase 07-Jun-16 19:14
Re: Additional Thought regarding Abydos Royal Enclosures 807 Thanos5150 07-Jun-16 21:04
Re: Additional Thought regarding Abydos Royal Enclosures 668 Warwick 16-Jun-16 18:34
Re: Additional Thought regarding Abydos Royal Enclosures 788 Thanos5150 16-Jun-16 20:52
Re: Additional Thought regarding Abydos Royal Enclosures 723 charly 17-Jun-16 17:55
Re: Additional Thought regarding Abydos Royal Enclosures 1194 Thanos5150 17-Jun-16 21:36
Re: Decoration in pyramids and mastabas 818 charly 02-Jan-17 18:48
Re: Decoration in pyramids and mastabas 1493 Thanos5150 02-Jan-17 22:56
Re: Djoser Blue Faience Tiles 897 Thunderbird 03-Jan-17 01:53
Abydos Royal Enclosures possibly are cenotaphs 704 DScribr 16-Jun-16 00:46
Re: Troubles with the 2nd Dynasty. 708 Graham Chase 07-Jun-16 13:21
Re: Troubles with the 2nd Dynasty. 874 Thanos5150 07-Jun-16 21:47
Re: Troubles with the 2nd Dynasty. 741 Graham Chase 08-Jun-16 09:48
Re: Troubles with the 2nd Dynasty. 737 Thanos5150 08-Jun-16 16:01
Re: Dynasty 1 cut and dressed 780 Thunderbird 09-Jun-16 02:44
Re: Dynasty 1 cut and dressed 2124 Thanos5150 09-Jun-16 19:33
Re: Dynasty 1 cut and dressed 750 Thunderbird 09-Jun-16 22:41
Re: Dynasty 1 cut and dressed 722 loveritas 10-Jun-16 01:11
Re: Dynasty 1 cut and dressed 830 Thunderbird 10-Jun-16 02:14
Re: Dynasty 1 cut and dressed 933 Thanos5150 10-Jun-16 18:45
Re: Property marks 707 Thunderbird 10-Jun-16 21:22
Re: Property marks 807 Thanos5150 11-Jun-16 04:26
Re: ZAG SAKH ....Serekh? 864 Thunderbird 11-Jun-16 15:08
Re: ZAG SAKH ....Serekh? 1202 Thanos5150 11-Jun-16 19:59
Re: ZAG SAKH ....Serekh? 750 Thunderbird 11-Jun-16 20:25
Re: ZAG SAKH ....Serekh? 720 Thanos5150 11-Jun-16 20:46
Re: The Sickle 753 Thunderbird 11-Jun-16 21:21
Re: The Sickle 664 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-16 23:48
Re: The Sickle 694 Thunderbird 12-Jun-16 01:59
Re: The Sickle 694 Eddie Larry 12-Jun-16 02:04
Re: Khemitology 780 Thunderbird 12-Jun-16 15:05
Re: The Sickle 842 Thanos5150 12-Jun-16 03:30
Re: The Sickle 640 Eddie Larry 12-Jun-16 04:00
Re: The Sickle 677 Thanos5150 12-Jun-16 04:09
Re: The Sickle 623 Eddie Larry 12-Jun-16 04:16
Re: The Sickle 737 Thanos5150 12-Jun-16 05:07
Re: Ethnicity 994 Thanos5150 16-Jun-16 16:14
Senedj & Seth-Peribsen 757 Corpuscles 14-Jun-16 00:40
Re: Senedj & Seth-Peribsen 796 Thanos5150 14-Jun-16 01:14
Re: Senedj & Seth-Peribsen 718 Corpuscles 14-Jun-16 02:58
Re: Senedj & Seth-Peribsen 975 Thanos5150 14-Jun-16 04:59
Re: The Sickle 702 Warwick 16-Jun-16 19:26
Re: The Sickle 750 Thanos5150 12-Jun-16 01:20
Re: Dynasty 1 cut and dressed 699 Graham Chase 10-Jun-16 08:32
Re: Dynasty 1 cut and dressed 752 Eddie Larry 10-Jun-16 14:08
Re: Dynasty 1 cut and dressed 658 Warwick 12-Jun-16 17:32
Re: Dynasty 1 cut and dressed 639 Eddie Larry 12-Jun-16 20:35
Re: Troubles with the 2nd Dynasty. 616 Warwick 07-Jun-16 15:13
Re: Troubles with the 2nd Dynasty. 664 Thanos5150 07-Jun-16 20:19
Books 812 Warwick 07-Jun-16 20:36
Re: Books 679 Thanos5150 07-Jun-16 21:15
Re: Books 734 Warwick 07-Jun-16 21:23
Re: Troubles with the 2nd Dynasty. 789 Thunderbird 07-Jun-16 21:59
Re: Foreign Spiritual Influence 673 Thunderbird 07-Jun-16 22:54
Re: Troubles with the 2nd Dynasty. 656 Thanos5150 08-Jun-16 04:02
Re: Troubles with the 2nd Dynasty. 781 Thunderbird 08-Jun-16 06:48
Re: Troubles with the 2nd Dynasty. 672 Audrey 08-Jun-16 16:37
Re: Ancient Symbols 852 Thunderbird 08-Jun-16 17:21
Re: Troubles with the 2nd Dynasty. 779 Thanos5150 08-Jun-16 17:30
Re: Troubles with the 2nd Dynasty. 722 Thunderbird 08-Jun-16 21:38
Re: Troubles with the 2nd Dynasty. 762 DScribr 16-Jun-16 01:01
Re: Troubles with the 2nd Dynasty. 668 Thanos5150 16-Jun-16 17:21
Re: Troubles with the 2nd Dynasty. 674 DScribr 17-Jun-16 00:58
Re: Troubles with the 2nd Dynasty. 678 Thanos5150 17-Jun-16 03:10
Re: Troubles with the 2nd Dynasty. 672 DScribr 17-Jun-16 17:45


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