> Got it. I see I've stated that in a way perhaps
> taken as telling you something you didn't know.
> Apologies, and I clarify it was meant as note for
> other readers, in case it was missed.
In hindsight the fault is mine for being to vague. Maybe that's the little Riesner in me...
> Not off hand, no, so is it odd? Yes. Agreed. :)
Never seen it before myself. Odd. Could mean nothing. Maybe something. Just spitballing here.
> Doesn't hurt to investigate.
Yeah, just throwin it out there.
> I wouldn't say so. It's just a different glyph,
> i.e I don't see a meaning to their
> inclusion/exclusion. Doesn't mean there might be
> one. :)
I respect that, but I disagree. I just find it hard to believe it does not mean something.
> My jury's out on it's true provenance. Still, the
> placenta/female connection is more obvious than a
> placenta/male one, and may (loosely offered) be a
> support for Khufu being female. What about the
> marriage and children? Can you also determine
> 'her' consorts were male?
My thought was possibly Khunum Khuf was the husband, i.e. king and co-regent which is the explanation for the two different names. Just thinking out loud, but it would be interesting to see if there was anything more familial to it. A good point.
> It was an aside. :) Relates to how Manetho, et al,
> did not (or may not have) record(ed) the 'pure'
> phonetic value of 'kh'. (ps, LOL, I saw it)
> Oh, ok, sorry.
No need. My ignorance is professed. I am a stones and bones kind of guy. Not enough time in the day to learn the nuances of AE writing which smart guys like you can figure it out for me.
> There really isn't a 'why', more a matter of
> that's just the glyphs they used to spell the
> name. Let's look at them how they literally line
> up in the cartouchii (forgive my MdeC here):
> Khufu is Aa1 (lined circle, 'Kh') G43
> (chick, 'u') I9 (horned viper, 'f') G43 (chick,
> Khafre is N5 (sun disc, 'ra') N27 (rising
> sun, 'kha') I9 (horned viper, 'f')
> Direct transposition would have us think the
> 'lined circle' is related to the 'sun disc'. After
> much ado in my own research it became obvious it
> didn't really matter if the 'kh' in Khufu is a sun
> disc with wisps of clouds in front of it. I mean,
> it was a stepping-stone investigation in my
> hieroglyph 'career', but in the end I felt it was
> a sub-step point of contention. Still, I am
> curious why the Aa1 (lined circle) is
> unequivocally an N5 (sun disc) in the Seti King
> List. Not the best pic, but I am a bit rushed,
> there should be one out there:
> If anything, we could speculate there is a solar
> annotation for Khufu.
If I recall in another thread, which I think I quoted myself before from, the idea was brought up the lines represented maybe the rising or setting sun.
> Khnum is par
> excellence the god associated with birth, and
> where he is the ba of Re, a 'placental'
> designation for Aa1 may contextualize the solar
> aspect. Comes full (lined?) circle, as I see it.
> Open for discussion, though. :)
> Not related to this thread on Khufu, but I after
> many years am still at odds with the phonetic
> positional naming convention in cartouches
> (reading glyphs out of order.)
If you say so, I am with you. Me too!
> 'Vyse'. Reeeeally.
Thanks for the response by the way.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07-Jun-16 06:00 by Thanos5150.