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Hello Loveritas.

loveritas Wrote:
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> No.

So why do we say it as fact then?

> Ossburn is of the opinion that Suphis II (Kafre)
> and Userkare were contemporaneous kings, one
> ruling from Memphis, and the other, from Abydos.

Does anyone but Osburn hold this opinion?

> Suphis and Noh-Suphis were, according to Osburn,
> co-regents, and brothers, each having a different
> cartouche. Vyse, knowingly, or not, discovered
> (giving him the benefit of the doubt) both
> cartouches in the Great Pyramid. Not the Khufu
> cartouche in one location and the KK in another.

According to Petrie I believe writing in 1883 (Pyramid Odyssey, Fix):
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Another name is found on the blocks in the Pyramid, side by side with those bearing the name of Khufu. This other name is the same as that of Khufu, with the prefix of two hieroglyphs, a jug and a ram and it is variously rendered Khnumu-Khufu, Nh-Shufu, and Shu-Shufu. The most destructive theory about this king is that he is identical with Khufu, and that the ram is merely a symbol of the god Shu, and put as the determinative in this place of the first syllable of the name. But against this hypothesis it must be observed (1) that the pronunciation was Khufu, and not Shufu, in the early times; (2) that the first hieroglyph, the jug, is thus unexplained; and (3) that there is no similar prefix of a determinative to a king's name, in any other instance out of the hundreds of names, and thousands of variants, known....

The only great royal inscription (of Khufu) is on the rocks of Sinai. There are two tablets: one with the name and titles of Khufu, the other with the king smiting an enemy, and the name Khnum-khufu The name is found in five places The two names being placed in succession in one inscription cannot be mere chance variants of the same. Either they must be two distinct and independent names of one king, or else two separate kings. If they were separate kings, Khnum-khuf must have been the most important.

> However, the only effigy of Khufu was found, not
> at Giza, but Abydos.

Uh, huh...

On the lower left is supposedly written his Horus name (serekh), but no carouche.

Here is a statue found in the 4th Dynasty Giza mastaba of Seneb and his wife:


Originally it was thought to belong to the 5th/6th Dynasty but according to Wikipedia/Seneb has since been definitively dated to the reign of Djedefre (Radjedef). The two children depicted in the statute are named Radjedef (Djedefre) on the left and Khufu on the right:


As we can see Khufu is clearly depicted as a female with the customary white skin and female genitalia. To look at the Khufu statue again:


A man or a woman? The statue of Seneb is very curious. To quote myself from HERE:
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Anyhoo, the lines in the circle are obviously not meant to represent the "kh" in "Khufu" and could not be one and the same as a sieve despite appearances. No other pharaoh required this not even KHafre. And also, the Khufu cartouche has many variations of lines and no lines all of which spell the same thing. This is highlighted on Merykhufu's tomb which depicts both empty circle and a 3 line circle. For me, I can only conclude that lines in the RA disk, regardless of how many, mean something different than no lines and a dot or nothing. Considering Khufu is the only pharaoh in the history of Egypt to have his RA disk not only depicted with lines, but depicted with something other than the customary no lines or dot there is obviously something unique about Khufu and the meaning of the lined RA disk.

To paraphrase the rest, the lines of the sieve (RA circle) have been said to represent the placenta which given Khufu is the only pharaoh to have these lines in their RA disk I have raised the possibility this may denote Khufu was in fact a woman of whom as had happened in earlier Dynasties were known to have been co-regents.

Just a thought. So maybe these cartouches refer to a Mr and Mrs Smith....

Regardless, the statuette attributed to Khufu is wearing the crown/headdress of the god Amun, akin to the Red Crown of Upper (southern Egypt) which though Atum dates to most likely the beginnings of Dynastic Egypt and was popular during the OK, this style of crown as far as I can tell was a later convention appearing in the MK/NK:


Regardless of who it represents, or their gender, all things considered I think it is very unlikely, as does Hawass apparently, this statue dates to OK and is more likely to be from later funerary cults possibly as late as the 26th Dynasty.

I would also note from the thread Mastabas of Giza-Reference and Commentary:
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There are dozens and dozens of Khufu cartouches to be found in many of the [Giza] mastabas which in context do not appear to be referring to Khufu the pharaoh. For someone with the time and interest it would be well worth sorting this out as it would seem to speak directly to what the cartouche really meant and who or what it was actually referring to.

I wasn't thinking about it at the time but I do not recall seeing too many "Khnum Khuf" if any though I honestly do not remember. It would be interesting to comb through these and see if there are.

> In maintaining consistency, if Osburn is correct,
> one could expect to find the cartouche of both
> Kafre and Userkare in G2 or its satellite temples.
> Is such the case?

You tell me.

> One could also ask oneself the question, why did
> the quarrymen daub one block with the Khufu
> cartouche, and another with the KK cartouche? It
> would seem likely that, because the destination
> was the same, both cartouches were understood as
> belonging to one entity and were interchangeable.

The naming scheme for pharaohs is complicated, but why would some quarrymen, or folk like Merer as I note, prefer one name over another which again in the case of Merer in the same set of documents?

> What I find interesting is the fact that the Khufu
> character doesn't have a Re inclusion in his name,
> considering the preference for Re to be included
> in his family's names and many generations hence.
> His preference was for Khnum which indicates quite
> a difference in his divination (God/King).

Abydos King's list:


Many do not have the RA inclusion.

> Doesn't explain the fact of both cartouches being
> in G1 though.

Nope.

If anyone knows of any evidence as to why these names are now considered to be one and the same and not co-regents as was accepted by many until at least the early 20th century please provide it.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 06-Jun-16 05:52 by Thanos5150.

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Re: Expert? Specialist? 505 Audrey 30-Jun-16 05:29
Re: Expert? Specialist? 579 Jon Ellison 30-Jun-16 05:52
Re: Expert? Specialist? 565 eyeofhorus33 30-Jun-16 06:10
Re: Expert? Specialist? 643 Jon Ellison 30-Jun-16 06:37
Re: Ignore the evidence 626 Thunderbird 30-Jun-16 06:08
Re: Expert? Specialist? 610 Audrey 30-Jun-16 04:09
Re: Expert? Specialist? 643 R Avry Wilson 30-Jun-16 04:34
Re: Expert? Specialist? 636 Audrey 30-Jun-16 05:06
Re: Expert? Specialist? 608 Origyptian 30-Jun-16 15:07
Re: Expert? Specialist? 608 Jon Ellison 30-Jun-16 06:14
Re: Expert? Specialist? 566 Corpuscles 30-Jun-16 23:14
Re: Expert? Specialist? 584 Audrey 30-Jun-16 23:37
Re: Expert? Specialist? 523 Martin Stower 30-Jun-16 23:48
Re: Expert? Specialist? 609 Audrey 01-Jul-16 00:36
Re: Expert? Specialist? 612 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 00:50
Re: Expert? Specialist? 507 Audrey 01-Jul-16 01:09
Re: Expert? Specialist? 630 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 01:55
Re: Expert? Specialist? 536 Audrey 01-Jul-16 01:57
Re: Expert? Specialist? 635 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 01:59
Re: Expert? Specialist? 647 Origyptian 01-Jul-16 04:18
Re: Expert? Specialist? 609 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 14:55
Please, Steven 633 drrayeye 01-Jul-16 00:44
Re: Please, Steven 615 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 01:19
Re: Please, Steven 671 Audrey 01-Jul-16 01:56
Re: Please, Steven 717 Origyptian 01-Jul-16 04:24
Re: Please, Steven 568 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 15:01
Re: Expert? Specialist? 578 Origyptian 26-Jun-16 18:12
Re: Expert? Specialist? 645 Merrell 26-Jun-16 19:18
Re: Expert? Specialist? 587 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 00:03
Re: Expert? Specialist? 594 Merrell 27-Jun-16 07:00
Re: Expert? Specialist? 611 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 13:19
Re: Expert? Specialist? 527 Jon Ellison 27-Jun-16 13:48
Re: Expert? Specialist? 603 Merrell 27-Jun-16 14:56
Re: Expert? Specialist? 566 Jon Ellison 27-Jun-16 15:11
Re: Expert? Specialist? 569 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 15:28
Re: Expert? Specialist? 560 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 15:42
Re: Expert? Specialist? 677 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 17:37
Re: Expert? Specialist? 613 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 17:45
Re: Expert? Specialist? 644 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 21:13
Re: Expert? Specialist? 683 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 22:32
Re: Expert? Specialist? 586 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 00:21
Re: Expert? Specialist? 691 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 15:02
Re: Expert? Specialist? 614 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 15:40
Re: Expert? Specialist? 612 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 15:48
Re: Expert? Specialist? 503 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 15:55
Re: Expert? Specialist? 714 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 16:24
Re: Expert? Specialist? 542 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 18:30
Re: Expert? Specialist? 576 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 21:27
Re: Expert? Specialist? 586 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 01:59
Re: Expert? Specialist? 567 eyeofhorus33 27-Jun-16 17:00
Re: Expert? Specialist? 677 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 18:51
Re: Gatekeeping 538 Thunderbird 27-Jun-16 16:38
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 647 Audrey 26-Jun-16 01:54
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 789 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 02:24
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 594 Audrey 26-Jun-16 02:42
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 653 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:18
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 645 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 03:27
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 567 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:31
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 665 Audrey 26-Jun-16 03:40
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 581 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:46
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 574 Audrey 26-Jun-16 03:52
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 647 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 04:23
No Moderator Conspiracy 591 loveritas 27-Jun-16 05:55
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 616 Morten 25-Jun-16 23:19
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 592 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:37
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 630 Audrey 25-Jun-16 23:51
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 545 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 00:45
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 676 Audrey 26-Jun-16 01:49
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 711 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 02:12
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 545 DScribr 30-Jun-16 02:48
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 612 Merrell 25-Jun-16 10:47
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 580 Merrell 26-Jun-16 13:30
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 559 Audrey 24-Jun-16 16:43
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 722 Martin Stower 24-Jun-16 20:08
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 620 Audrey 24-Jun-16 20:33
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 701 Martin Stower 24-Jun-16 20:47
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 734 Merrell 25-Jun-16 10:59
Re: Perring - Lady Arbuthnot chamber 667 Martin Stower 24-Jun-16 11:38
Post o' the week! 609 DScribr 22-Jun-16 21:07
Summertime In England 648 loveritas 21-Jun-16 05:52
Re: Who Was Khufu? 696 DUNE 21-Jun-16 15:14
Re: Who Was Khufu? 565 Jon Ellison 21-Jun-16 15:22
Re: Who Was Khufu? 720 DUNE 21-Jun-16 16:05
Re: Minute Examination 651 Thunderbird 21-Jun-16 18:12
Re: Minute Examination 615 Martin Stower 21-Jun-16 18:48
Gilligan Accepts Michaelangelo Challenge 769 loveritas 22-Jun-16 03:34
Re: Gilligan Accepts Michaelangelo Challenge 627 Martin Stower 22-Jun-16 20:20
Re: Gilligan and Ginger 678 DScribr 23-Jun-16 19:14
Re: Gilligan and Ginger 721 Martin Stower 23-Jun-16 21:37
Re: Gilligan and Ginger 637 DScribr 23-Jun-16 23:00
Court Rocked By Stalker Allegation! 669 loveritas 22-Jun-16 23:20
Re: Court Rocked By Stalker Allegation! 720 Martin Stower 22-Jun-16 23:57
Creighton's Legal Team In Hiding 738 loveritas 23-Jun-16 23:54
it all boils down to this 632 Warwick 25-Jun-16 19:21
How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 640 Corpuscles 25-Jun-16 23:33
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 671 Audrey 26-Jun-16 00:19
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 656 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 01:24
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 578 Audrey 26-Jun-16 02:17
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 645 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 02:33
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 663 Audrey 26-Jun-16 02:48
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 564 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 02:52
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 617 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 02:57
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 676 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 02:59
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 504 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:40
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 607 Audrey 26-Jun-16 03:46
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 736 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 04:04
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 643 Audrey 26-Jun-16 04:47
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 671 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 13:49
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 604 Warwick 26-Jun-16 17:32
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 619 Corpuscles 26-Jun-16 07:01
Re: Who Was Khufu? 655 atul.seth 28-Jun-16 12:48
Re: Who Was Khufu? 637 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 15:13
Re: Who Was Khufu? 698 Howard West 28-Jun-16 15:37
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 634 Brian Patterson 28-Jun-16 16:16
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 633 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 18:09
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 580 wonderwall 28-Jun-16 20:52
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 643 Brian Patterson 28-Jun-16 21:22
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 721 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 04:46
Lackeys 691 loveritas 29-Jun-16 07:19
Re: Lackeys 661 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 08:06
Re: Lackeys 632 Corpuscles 29-Jun-16 09:41
Re: Lackeys 625 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 09:45
Re: Lackeys 567 Audrey 29-Jun-16 15:52
Re: Lackeys 638 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 16:05
Oxymoron Alert 534 Warwick 29-Jun-16 16:36
Re: Oxymoron Alert 606 Audrey 29-Jun-16 16:58
Re: Oxymoron Alert 546 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 17:06
Re: Oxymoron Alert 595 Audrey 29-Jun-16 17:28
Re: Oxymoron Alert 685 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 17:36
Re: Oxymoron Alert 520 Audrey 29-Jun-16 18:47
Re: Oxymoron Alert 520 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 18:59
Surely you Jest 583 WonderWho 29-Jun-16 19:59
Re: Surely you Jest 605 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 20:29
Re: Surely you Jest 581 WonderWho 29-Jun-16 20:48
Re: Oxymoron Alert 616 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 17:32
N/T 564 Merrell 01-Jul-16 17:22
Re: Oxymoron Alert 631 Warwick 29-Jun-16 17:15
Re: Oxymoron Alert 654 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 17:24
Say what? 632 Warwick 30-Jun-16 14:27
Re: Say what? 543 Origyptian 30-Jun-16 15:16
Re: Say what? 615 Warwick 01-Jul-16 16:55
Re: Say what? 597 Origyptian 01-Jul-16 17:10
Re: Say what? 618 Warwick 01-Jul-16 17:28
Re: Say what? 669 Jon Ellison 30-Jun-16 15:26
Re: Say what? 608 Warwick 01-Jul-16 16:51
The Lackey Called John Snape 553 loveritas 29-Jun-16 11:14
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 579 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 11:38
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 679 loveritas 29-Jun-16 11:55
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 552 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 12:01
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 576 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 13:16
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 677 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 13:33
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 553 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 13:47
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 663 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 13:58
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 531 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 15:09
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 678 Audrey 29-Jun-16 16:28
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 589 eyeofhorus33 29-Jun-16 16:54
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 614 Audrey 29-Jun-16 17:01
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 574 eyeofhorus33 29-Jun-16 17:10
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 643 Audrey 29-Jun-16 17:30
Re: Lackeys 609 Audrey 29-Jun-16 15:59
Re: Lackeys 580 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 16:08
Re: Lackeys 641 Audrey 29-Jun-16 16:31
Re: Lackeys 522 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 16:54
Re: Lackeys 528 Audrey 29-Jun-16 17:06
Re: Lackeys 608 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 17:37
Re: Lackeys 523 Audrey 29-Jun-16 18:43
Re: Lackeys 617 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 18:46
Re: Lackeys 605 Audrey 29-Jun-16 18:48
Re: Lackeys 633 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 19:19
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 647 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 12:40
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 625 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 13:35
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 528 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 13:38
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 528 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 14:42
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 600 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 15:16
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 639 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 15:50
'Officially' in the gutter. 660 DScribr 29-Jun-16 20:16
Scotts 'New" Book 680 DScribr 29-Jun-16 03:36
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 619 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 13:27
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 549 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 14:07
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 604 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 15:44
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 613 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 15:48
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 575 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 15:57
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 604 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 16:07
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 564 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 16:14
n/t 597 DScribr 29-Jun-16 19:59
The Need For Proof. 584 DScribr 29-Jun-16 19:56
Re: The Need For Proof. 636 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 20:00
Hypocrisy 652 DScribr 29-Jun-16 20:10
Re: Hypocrisy 572 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 20:19
Re: Hypocrisy 584 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 20:56
Re: Hypocrisy 539 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 21:01
Re: Hypocrisy 590 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 21:14
Re: Hypocrisy 618 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 21:36
Re: Hypocrisy 558 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 22:21
Re: Hypocrisy 577 DScribr 29-Jun-16 22:55
Re: Hypocrisy 516 DScribr 29-Jun-16 22:53
Re: Hypocrisy denied, but..... 635 DScribr 29-Jun-16 22:50
Re: Hypocrisy 596 DScribr 29-Jun-16 22:48
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 566 DScribr 29-Jun-16 19:49
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 548 cladking 29-Jun-16 03:48
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 638 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 05:09
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 511 cladking 29-Jun-16 19:12


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