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Hello Loveritas.

loveritas Wrote:
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> No.

So why do we say it as fact then?

> Ossburn is of the opinion that Suphis II (Kafre)
> and Userkare were contemporaneous kings, one
> ruling from Memphis, and the other, from Abydos.

Does anyone but Osburn hold this opinion?

> Suphis and Noh-Suphis were, according to Osburn,
> co-regents, and brothers, each having a different
> cartouche. Vyse, knowingly, or not, discovered
> (giving him the benefit of the doubt) both
> cartouches in the Great Pyramid. Not the Khufu
> cartouche in one location and the KK in another.

According to Petrie I believe writing in 1883 (Pyramid Odyssey, Fix):
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Another name is found on the blocks in the Pyramid, side by side with those bearing the name of Khufu. This other name is the same as that of Khufu, with the prefix of two hieroglyphs, a jug and a ram and it is variously rendered Khnumu-Khufu, Nh-Shufu, and Shu-Shufu. The most destructive theory about this king is that he is identical with Khufu, and that the ram is merely a symbol of the god Shu, and put as the determinative in this place of the first syllable of the name. But against this hypothesis it must be observed (1) that the pronunciation was Khufu, and not Shufu, in the early times; (2) that the first hieroglyph, the jug, is thus unexplained; and (3) that there is no similar prefix of a determinative to a king's name, in any other instance out of the hundreds of names, and thousands of variants, known....

The only great royal inscription (of Khufu) is on the rocks of Sinai. There are two tablets: one with the name and titles of Khufu, the other with the king smiting an enemy, and the name Khnum-khufu The name is found in five places The two names being placed in succession in one inscription cannot be mere chance variants of the same. Either they must be two distinct and independent names of one king, or else two separate kings. If they were separate kings, Khnum-khuf must have been the most important.

> However, the only effigy of Khufu was found, not
> at Giza, but Abydos.

Uh, huh...

On the lower left is supposedly written his Horus name (serekh), but no carouche.

Here is a statue found in the 4th Dynasty Giza mastaba of Seneb and his wife:


Originally it was thought to belong to the 5th/6th Dynasty but according to Wikipedia/Seneb has since been definitively dated to the reign of Djedefre (Radjedef). The two children depicted in the statute are named Radjedef (Djedefre) on the left and Khufu on the right:


As we can see Khufu is clearly depicted as a female with the customary white skin and female genitalia. To look at the Khufu statue again:


A man or a woman? The statue of Seneb is very curious. To quote myself from HERE:
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Anyhoo, the lines in the circle are obviously not meant to represent the "kh" in "Khufu" and could not be one and the same as a sieve despite appearances. No other pharaoh required this not even KHafre. And also, the Khufu cartouche has many variations of lines and no lines all of which spell the same thing. This is highlighted on Merykhufu's tomb which depicts both empty circle and a 3 line circle. For me, I can only conclude that lines in the RA disk, regardless of how many, mean something different than no lines and a dot or nothing. Considering Khufu is the only pharaoh in the history of Egypt to have his RA disk not only depicted with lines, but depicted with something other than the customary no lines or dot there is obviously something unique about Khufu and the meaning of the lined RA disk.

To paraphrase the rest, the lines of the sieve (RA circle) have been said to represent the placenta which given Khufu is the only pharaoh to have these lines in their RA disk I have raised the possibility this may denote Khufu was in fact a woman of whom as had happened in earlier Dynasties were known to have been co-regents.

Just a thought. So maybe these cartouches refer to a Mr and Mrs Smith....

Regardless, the statuette attributed to Khufu is wearing the crown/headdress of the god Amun, akin to the Red Crown of Upper (southern Egypt) which though Atum dates to most likely the beginnings of Dynastic Egypt and was popular during the OK, this style of crown as far as I can tell was a later convention appearing in the MK/NK:


Regardless of who it represents, or their gender, all things considered I think it is very unlikely, as does Hawass apparently, this statue dates to OK and is more likely to be from later funerary cults possibly as late as the 26th Dynasty.

I would also note from the thread Mastabas of Giza-Reference and Commentary:
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There are dozens and dozens of Khufu cartouches to be found in many of the [Giza] mastabas which in context do not appear to be referring to Khufu the pharaoh. For someone with the time and interest it would be well worth sorting this out as it would seem to speak directly to what the cartouche really meant and who or what it was actually referring to.

I wasn't thinking about it at the time but I do not recall seeing too many "Khnum Khuf" if any though I honestly do not remember. It would be interesting to comb through these and see if there are.

> In maintaining consistency, if Osburn is correct,
> one could expect to find the cartouche of both
> Kafre and Userkare in G2 or its satellite temples.
> Is such the case?

You tell me.

> One could also ask oneself the question, why did
> the quarrymen daub one block with the Khufu
> cartouche, and another with the KK cartouche? It
> would seem likely that, because the destination
> was the same, both cartouches were understood as
> belonging to one entity and were interchangeable.

The naming scheme for pharaohs is complicated, but why would some quarrymen, or folk like Merer as I note, prefer one name over another which again in the case of Merer in the same set of documents?

> What I find interesting is the fact that the Khufu
> character doesn't have a Re inclusion in his name,
> considering the preference for Re to be included
> in his family's names and many generations hence.
> His preference was for Khnum which indicates quite
> a difference in his divination (God/King).

Abydos King's list:


Many do not have the RA inclusion.

> Doesn't explain the fact of both cartouches being
> in G1 though.

Nope.

If anyone knows of any evidence as to why these names are now considered to be one and the same and not co-regents as was accepted by many until at least the early 20th century please provide it.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 06-Jun-16 05:52 by Thanos5150.

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Re: Expert? Specialist? 556 Jon Ellison 30-Jun-16 05:52
Re: Expert? Specialist? 550 eyeofhorus33 30-Jun-16 06:10
Re: Expert? Specialist? 620 Jon Ellison 30-Jun-16 06:37
Re: Ignore the evidence 596 Thunderbird 30-Jun-16 06:08
Re: Expert? Specialist? 589 Audrey 30-Jun-16 04:09
Re: Expert? Specialist? 612 R Avry Wilson 30-Jun-16 04:34
Re: Expert? Specialist? 617 Audrey 30-Jun-16 05:06
Re: Expert? Specialist? 583 Origyptian 30-Jun-16 15:07
Re: Expert? Specialist? 586 Jon Ellison 30-Jun-16 06:14
Re: Expert? Specialist? 544 Corpuscles 30-Jun-16 23:14
Re: Expert? Specialist? 563 Audrey 30-Jun-16 23:37
Re: Expert? Specialist? 498 Martin Stower 30-Jun-16 23:48
Re: Expert? Specialist? 587 Audrey 01-Jul-16 00:36
Re: Expert? Specialist? 588 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 00:50
Re: Expert? Specialist? 483 Audrey 01-Jul-16 01:09
Re: Expert? Specialist? 601 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 01:55
Re: Expert? Specialist? 518 Audrey 01-Jul-16 01:57
Re: Expert? Specialist? 619 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 01:59
Re: Expert? Specialist? 623 Origyptian 01-Jul-16 04:18
Re: Expert? Specialist? 595 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 14:55
Please, Steven 607 drrayeye 01-Jul-16 00:44
Re: Please, Steven 585 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 01:19
Re: Please, Steven 641 Audrey 01-Jul-16 01:56
Re: Please, Steven 698 Origyptian 01-Jul-16 04:24
Re: Please, Steven 549 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 15:01
Re: Expert? Specialist? 552 Origyptian 26-Jun-16 18:12
Re: Expert? Specialist? 623 Merrell 26-Jun-16 19:18
Re: Expert? Specialist? 559 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 00:03
Re: Expert? Specialist? 568 Merrell 27-Jun-16 07:00
Re: Expert? Specialist? 587 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 13:19
Re: Expert? Specialist? 500 Jon Ellison 27-Jun-16 13:48
Re: Expert? Specialist? 575 Merrell 27-Jun-16 14:56
Re: Expert? Specialist? 547 Jon Ellison 27-Jun-16 15:11
Re: Expert? Specialist? 541 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 15:28
Re: Expert? Specialist? 533 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 15:42
Re: Expert? Specialist? 661 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 17:37
Re: Expert? Specialist? 588 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 17:45
Re: Expert? Specialist? 630 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 21:13
Re: Expert? Specialist? 660 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 22:32
Re: Expert? Specialist? 560 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 00:21
Re: Expert? Specialist? 660 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 15:02
Re: Expert? Specialist? 592 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 15:40
Re: Expert? Specialist? 594 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 15:48
Re: Expert? Specialist? 478 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 15:55
Re: Expert? Specialist? 689 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 16:24
Re: Expert? Specialist? 510 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 18:30
Re: Expert? Specialist? 560 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 21:27
Re: Expert? Specialist? 562 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 01:59
Re: Expert? Specialist? 537 eyeofhorus33 27-Jun-16 17:00
Re: Expert? Specialist? 653 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 18:51
Re: Gatekeeping 515 Thunderbird 27-Jun-16 16:38
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 620 Audrey 26-Jun-16 01:54
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 758 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 02:24
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 562 Audrey 26-Jun-16 02:42
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 624 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:18
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 625 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 03:27
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 544 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:31
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 640 Audrey 26-Jun-16 03:40
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 552 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:46
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 552 Audrey 26-Jun-16 03:52
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 624 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 04:23
No Moderator Conspiracy 563 loveritas 27-Jun-16 05:55
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 593 Morten 25-Jun-16 23:19
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 565 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:37
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 610 Audrey 25-Jun-16 23:51
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 528 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 00:45
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 648 Audrey 26-Jun-16 01:49
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 686 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 02:12
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 520 DScribr 30-Jun-16 02:48
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 592 Merrell 25-Jun-16 10:47
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 553 Merrell 26-Jun-16 13:30
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 535 Audrey 24-Jun-16 16:43
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 697 Martin Stower 24-Jun-16 20:08
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 600 Audrey 24-Jun-16 20:33
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 674 Martin Stower 24-Jun-16 20:47
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 714 Merrell 25-Jun-16 10:59
Re: Perring - Lady Arbuthnot chamber 648 Martin Stower 24-Jun-16 11:38
Post o' the week! 583 DScribr 22-Jun-16 21:07
Summertime In England 621 loveritas 21-Jun-16 05:52
Re: Who Was Khufu? 670 DUNE 21-Jun-16 15:14
Re: Who Was Khufu? 544 Jon Ellison 21-Jun-16 15:22
Re: Who Was Khufu? 663 DUNE 21-Jun-16 16:05
Re: Minute Examination 628 Thunderbird 21-Jun-16 18:12
Re: Minute Examination 592 Martin Stower 21-Jun-16 18:48
Gilligan Accepts Michaelangelo Challenge 747 loveritas 22-Jun-16 03:34
Re: Gilligan Accepts Michaelangelo Challenge 604 Martin Stower 22-Jun-16 20:20
Re: Gilligan and Ginger 652 DScribr 23-Jun-16 19:14
Re: Gilligan and Ginger 703 Martin Stower 23-Jun-16 21:37
Re: Gilligan and Ginger 614 DScribr 23-Jun-16 23:00
Court Rocked By Stalker Allegation! 647 loveritas 22-Jun-16 23:20
Re: Court Rocked By Stalker Allegation! 701 Martin Stower 22-Jun-16 23:57
Creighton's Legal Team In Hiding 711 loveritas 23-Jun-16 23:54
it all boils down to this 612 Warwick 25-Jun-16 19:21
How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 617 Corpuscles 25-Jun-16 23:33
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 648 Audrey 26-Jun-16 00:19
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 641 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 01:24
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 558 Audrey 26-Jun-16 02:17
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 627 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 02:33
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 639 Audrey 26-Jun-16 02:48
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 546 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 02:52
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 595 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 02:57
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 643 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 02:59
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 489 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:40
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 591 Audrey 26-Jun-16 03:46
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 710 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 04:04
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 622 Audrey 26-Jun-16 04:47
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 645 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 13:49
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 572 Warwick 26-Jun-16 17:32
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 593 Corpuscles 26-Jun-16 07:01
Re: Who Was Khufu? 637 atul.seth 28-Jun-16 12:48
Re: Who Was Khufu? 607 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 15:13
Re: Who Was Khufu? 667 Howard West 28-Jun-16 15:37
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 604 Brian Patterson 28-Jun-16 16:16
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 611 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 18:09
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 554 wonderwall 28-Jun-16 20:52
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 623 Brian Patterson 28-Jun-16 21:22
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 684 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 04:46
Lackeys 669 loveritas 29-Jun-16 07:19
Re: Lackeys 637 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 08:06
Re: Lackeys 603 Corpuscles 29-Jun-16 09:41
Re: Lackeys 607 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 09:45
Re: Lackeys 544 Audrey 29-Jun-16 15:52
Re: Lackeys 615 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 16:05
Oxymoron Alert 505 Warwick 29-Jun-16 16:36
Re: Oxymoron Alert 575 Audrey 29-Jun-16 16:58
Re: Oxymoron Alert 531 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 17:06
Re: Oxymoron Alert 571 Audrey 29-Jun-16 17:28
Re: Oxymoron Alert 659 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 17:36
Re: Oxymoron Alert 499 Audrey 29-Jun-16 18:47
Re: Oxymoron Alert 496 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 18:59
Surely you Jest 557 WonderWho 29-Jun-16 19:59
Re: Surely you Jest 584 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 20:29
Re: Surely you Jest 563 WonderWho 29-Jun-16 20:48
Re: Oxymoron Alert 572 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 17:32
N/T 541 Merrell 01-Jul-16 17:22
Re: Oxymoron Alert 611 Warwick 29-Jun-16 17:15
Re: Oxymoron Alert 623 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 17:24
Say what? 613 Warwick 30-Jun-16 14:27
Re: Say what? 511 Origyptian 30-Jun-16 15:16
Re: Say what? 595 Warwick 01-Jul-16 16:55
Re: Say what? 571 Origyptian 01-Jul-16 17:10
Re: Say what? 597 Warwick 01-Jul-16 17:28
Re: Say what? 651 Jon Ellison 30-Jun-16 15:26
Re: Say what? 580 Warwick 01-Jul-16 16:51
The Lackey Called John Snape 524 loveritas 29-Jun-16 11:14
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 561 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 11:38
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 649 loveritas 29-Jun-16 11:55
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 534 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 12:01
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 546 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 13:16
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 656 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 13:33
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 528 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 13:47
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 645 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 13:58
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 503 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 15:09
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 645 Audrey 29-Jun-16 16:28
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 565 eyeofhorus33 29-Jun-16 16:54
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 594 Audrey 29-Jun-16 17:01
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 551 eyeofhorus33 29-Jun-16 17:10
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 622 Audrey 29-Jun-16 17:30
Re: Lackeys 585 Audrey 29-Jun-16 15:59
Re: Lackeys 555 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 16:08
Re: Lackeys 622 Audrey 29-Jun-16 16:31
Re: Lackeys 502 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 16:54
Re: Lackeys 506 Audrey 29-Jun-16 17:06
Re: Lackeys 589 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 17:37
Re: Lackeys 497 Audrey 29-Jun-16 18:43
Re: Lackeys 595 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 18:46
Re: Lackeys 589 Audrey 29-Jun-16 18:48
Re: Lackeys 615 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 19:19
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 620 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 12:40
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 596 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 13:35
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 503 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 13:38
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 512 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 14:42
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 580 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 15:16
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 623 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 15:50
'Officially' in the gutter. 632 DScribr 29-Jun-16 20:16
Scotts 'New" Book 654 DScribr 29-Jun-16 03:36
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 600 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 13:27
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 524 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 14:07
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 575 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 15:44
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 592 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 15:48
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 544 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 15:57
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 581 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 16:07
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 542 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 16:14
n/t 574 DScribr 29-Jun-16 19:59
The Need For Proof. 561 DScribr 29-Jun-16 19:56
Re: The Need For Proof. 617 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 20:00
Hypocrisy 628 DScribr 29-Jun-16 20:10
Re: Hypocrisy 542 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 20:19
Re: Hypocrisy 562 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 20:56
Re: Hypocrisy 519 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 21:01
Re: Hypocrisy 570 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 21:14
Re: Hypocrisy 599 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 21:36
Re: Hypocrisy 541 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 22:21
Re: Hypocrisy 554 DScribr 29-Jun-16 22:55
Re: Hypocrisy 499 DScribr 29-Jun-16 22:53
Re: Hypocrisy denied, but..... 616 DScribr 29-Jun-16 22:50
Re: Hypocrisy 579 DScribr 29-Jun-16 22:48
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 541 DScribr 29-Jun-16 19:49
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 525 cladking 29-Jun-16 03:48
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 611 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 05:09
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 489 cladking 29-Jun-16 19:12


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