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Origyptian Wrote:
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> Warwick Wrote:
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> >
> > Egyptology's consensus opinions, Wilkinson's
> > opinions and mine do not exist in a vacuum.
>
> I don't think anyone here has contended otherwise.
> The problem isn't how many people believe and
> write the same thing. The problem is whether what
> they believe and write is actually true. As
> has been said before, "Practice makes
> permanent, it does not make
> perfect".
>
> There are so many beliefs in Egyptology that
> simply have not been proven to be true, and yet
> virtually everyone continues to present them as
> facts. Pointing out an incident involving
> Wilkinson, or Reisner, or whomever is simply to
> exemplify the phenomenon.
>
>
>
> > Wilkinson's "Early Dynastic Egypt" is the best
> > example of this. Each and every 'opinion'
> offered
> > is supported by 23 pages (in the soft cover) of
> > bibliography that insurmountably support all
> said
> > opinions.
>
> Again, the problem is that opinions are presented
> as facts that seem to be supported merely by
> others' opinions and not always by definitive
> evidence. How can the reader be sure that the
> author is citing physical evidence when it is so
> common to find opinion or traditional belief
> masquerading as proven fact?
>
>
> > It's existence has precluded my needing
> > to suggest a reading list to those who wish to
> > learn of this era and the Old Kingdom.
>
> I didn't follow your logic there. How does the
> existence of a lengthy bibliography imbue a
> factual basis into an author's statement? Many if
> not all luminary Egyptologists have written that
> Hetepheres was the wife of Sneferu and the mother
> of Khufu (e.g., Lehner, Romer, Edwards), but the
> source of that information invariably points to
> Reisner's initial reporting of G7000x which was
> great data reporting but not so great regarding
> the conclusions that were drawn from that data.
>
>
>
> > Lehner's Complete Pyramids is at the very least
> an
> > excellent source of things...
>
> The "things" I find excellent from Lehner is his
> reporting of the physical evidence. But I find
> many of his conclusions to be "possiblity", but
> not "conclusive", and I often disagree with his
> conclusions mainly because of how he gravitates to
> the mainstream position regarding the funerary
> context and the traditional timeline, neither
> fundamental tenet having been proven as fact up to
> this point. So any conclusions that depend on
> those assumptions remain tenuous.
>
>
>
> > In fact all the best known Pyramid Authors on
> > everyside of the debates offers up the known
> > opposition to their own ideas within their
> works
> > Edwards...Lehner...Stadelmann...
>
> Can you cite a traditionalist author who openly
> acknowledge that any fundamental tenets of
> Egyptology, such as the funerary context, huge
> construction ramps, and the traditional timeline,
> are only possibilities and not conclusive?
>
>
>
> > Someone should set up an experiment whereby
> > someone arranges stonework exactly as we find
> > above the KC, and then tries to reproduce the
> Glyphs.
>
> Why do you suppose that hasn't been done yet?


My reference to bibliography was not an implication that it's existence qualified the conclusions drawn by the author. The point was that if one wishes to appreciate or dispute any of those conclusions one is obligated to apprise one's self of that which led to them.

Primary sources...not conclusions.

It's gotten easier. for example: A vast slice of what was available used to be readable only in German...the internet has dealt with that obstacle. TTBOMK German is no longer a prerequisite for studies in Egyptology as it used to be.

I've only become close to being as well read as I would like to be in my later years.

But I like to think that the probabilities I espouse are based on an understanding, and not on having merely learned by rote.

I hope that's a better explanation of the value of the bibliography

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Creighton Persists Part 2 4181 JonnyMcA 19-May-16 14:30
That chemical analysis . . . 719 Martin Stower 19-May-16 17:30
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 636 Origyptian 19-May-16 20:50
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 614 Jon Ellison 19-May-16 21:31
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 585 Martin Stower 19-May-16 22:01
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 575 Martin Stower 19-May-16 21:42
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 551 Origyptian 19-May-16 22:12
The unfounded accusations continue..... 670 DScribr 19-May-16 22:46
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 650 Martin Stower 20-May-16 00:14
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 573 Thanos5150 20-May-16 00:35
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 461 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 01:57
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 579 Origyptian 20-May-16 02:47
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 463 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 03:20
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 544 Martin Stower 20-May-16 19:10
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 572 DScribr 20-May-16 23:23
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 560 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 23:35
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 544 DScribr 20-May-16 23:40
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 520 Origyptian 21-May-16 01:07
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 419 DScribr 20-May-16 02:58
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 568 Martin Stower 19-May-16 22:55
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 575 DScribr 19-May-16 22:43
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 557 Martin Stower 19-May-16 23:30
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 619 Origyptian 20-May-16 02:48
The lack of analysis . . . 673 DScribr 20-May-16 03:05
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 609 Audrey 20-May-16 04:13
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 532 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 06:58
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 561 DScribr 20-May-16 23:42
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 693 Origyptian 20-May-16 15:46
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 522 Martin Stower 21-May-16 01:28
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 516 Origyptian 21-May-16 01:32
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 564 Martin Stower 21-May-16 02:07
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 547 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 06:43
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 560 Origyptian 21-May-16 14:58
So much for chemical analysis . . . 548 DScribr 21-May-16 19:54
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 548 Martin Stower 21-May-16 22:49
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 544 Martin Stower 21-May-16 23:00
Re: What's the end game with this? 644 Thunderbird 20-May-16 17:20
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 542 Martin Stower 20-May-16 19:04
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 529 Audrey 20-May-16 22:43
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 484 Martin Stower 20-May-16 22:54
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 522 Audrey 20-May-16 23:12
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 462 Martin Stower 20-May-16 23:52
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 543 Audrey 21-May-16 00:33
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 615 Martin Stower 21-May-16 00:45
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 457 DScribr 21-May-16 01:35
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 405 Origyptian 21-May-16 01:06
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 489 Martin Stower 21-May-16 01:33
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 563 Origyptian 21-May-16 01:36
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 744 Martin Stower 21-May-16 02:49
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 603 Martin Stower 20-May-16 18:28
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 612 Origyptian 20-May-16 20:00
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 520 Thanos5150 20-May-16 20:13
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 553 Origyptian 20-May-16 21:03
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 550 Martin Stower 20-May-16 23:44
Höfer and Görlitz meet Stein 486 Martin Stower 21-May-16 00:36
Re: Höfer and Görlitz meet Stein 464 Origyptian 21-May-16 01:23
Re: Höfer and Görlitz meet Stein 681 Martin Stower 21-May-16 01:55
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 532 Origyptian 21-May-16 01:34
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 553 Martin Stower 21-May-16 03:15
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 483 Origyptian 21-May-16 04:08
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 548 Martin Stower 21-May-16 23:33
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 642 Origyptian 22-May-16 00:09
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 500 Martin Stower 22-May-16 00:49
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 590 Origyptian 22-May-16 00:57
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 566 Origyptian 22-May-16 01:11
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 549 Jon Ellison 22-May-16 01:14
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 580 Martin Stower 22-May-16 01:51
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 534 Origyptian 22-May-16 04:21
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 581 Martin Stower 22-May-16 14:20
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 539 Origyptian 22-May-16 17:32
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 588 Martin Stower 22-May-16 18:33
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 549 Origyptian 22-May-16 20:34
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 473 Martin Stower 22-May-16 21:30
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 572 Origyptian 22-May-16 23:04
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 589 Martin Stower 23-May-16 00:03
Re: That chemical analysis is all but forgotten...... 536 DScribr 23-May-16 03:11
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 572 Richard Fusniak 21-May-16 08:47
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 542 Origyptian 21-May-16 13:26
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 503 Martin Stower 22-May-16 00:32
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 535 Origyptian 22-May-16 00:50
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 567 Martin Stower 22-May-16 01:39
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 461 Origyptian 22-May-16 04:45
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 478 Martin Stower 22-May-16 16:13
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 464 Martin Stower 21-May-16 22:44
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 669 Origyptian 21-May-16 23:58
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 508 Martin Stower 22-May-16 01:28
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 755 Martin Stower 20-May-16 22:44
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 517 Origyptian 21-May-16 01:41
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 591 Martin Stower 21-May-16 03:28
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 596 Origyptian 21-May-16 04:14
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 438 Martin Stower 21-May-16 23:11
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 577 Thanos5150 19-May-16 22:50
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 558 Martin Stower 19-May-16 23:18
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 464 DScribr 20-May-16 03:07
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 561 Origyptian 20-May-16 02:52
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 504 DScribr 20-May-16 03:12
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 575 Thanos5150 20-May-16 05:20
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 466 Origyptian 20-May-16 13:36
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 582 Thanos5150 20-May-16 17:57
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 578 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 18:56
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 566 Martin Stower 20-May-16 19:23
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 636 Thanos5150 20-May-16 19:27
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 497 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 19:29
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 529 Audrey 20-May-16 21:02
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 551 Origyptian 20-May-16 21:12
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 528 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 21:26
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 594 Thanos5150 20-May-16 22:08
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 581 Audrey 20-May-16 22:34
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 481 Thanos5150 20-May-16 22:36
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 567 Audrey 20-May-16 22:47
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 474 Thanos5150 20-May-16 23:00
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 495 Audrey 20-May-16 23:11
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 481 Thanos5150 21-May-16 00:01
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 491 Audrey 21-May-16 00:23
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 539 Thanos5150 21-May-16 03:14
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 533 Audrey 21-May-16 05:02
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 469 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 09:10
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 600 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 09:28
The chemical analysis is of little help without R-C Dating 616 DScribr 21-May-16 13:37
Re: The chemical analysis is of little help without R-C Dating 483 Origyptian 21-May-16 13:56
Re: The chemical analysis is of little help without R-C Dating 526 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 17:48
Willful ignorance continues....... 561 DScribr 21-May-16 19:49
Re: Willful ignorance continues....... 578 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 21:28
Re: Stealing IS a crime! Willful ignorance continues....... 478 DScribr 22-May-16 00:39
Re: The chemical analysis is of little help without R-C Dating 574 Richard Fusniak 21-May-16 18:17
Re: The chemical analysis is of little help without R-C Dating 455 DScribr 21-May-16 19:57
Re: The chemical analysis is of little help without R-C Dating 584 Richard Fusniak 21-May-16 20:24
Stealing IS A Crime!!! 565 DScribr 22-May-16 00:32
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 557 Origyptian 21-May-16 15:04
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 476 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 17:53
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 534 Origyptian 21-May-16 21:39
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 534 Jon Ellison 22-May-16 00:46
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 484 Martin Stower 21-May-16 00:09
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 566 Audrey 21-May-16 00:26
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 567 Martin Stower 21-May-16 00:42
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 525 Audrey 21-May-16 01:04
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 599 Martin Stower 21-May-16 01:41
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 553 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 11:00
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 517 DScribr 21-May-16 01:44
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 519 Origyptian 20-May-16 19:25
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 532 Thanos5150 20-May-16 19:31
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 482 Origyptian 20-May-16 20:35
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 561 Thanos5150 20-May-16 22:03
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 480 Origyptian 20-May-16 22:38
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 563 Thanos5150 20-May-16 22:52
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 497 Origyptian 21-May-16 01:31
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 567 Martin Stower 21-May-16 01:05
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 494 Origyptian 21-May-16 01:27
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 518 Martin Stower 21-May-16 03:31
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 499 Audrey 21-May-16 01:42
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 596 Martin Stower 21-May-16 03:34
Pending statement from Dr. Gorlitz 825 Richard Fusniak 20-May-16 12:04
Re: Pending statement from Dr. Gorlitz 588 Martin Stower 20-May-16 19:25
Martin Persists 633 drrayeye 23-May-16 01:30
Re: Martin Persists 611 Martin Stower 23-May-16 12:01
Re: Martin Persists 472 R Avry Wilson 24-May-16 19:58
Mainstream Persists 565 DScribr 25-May-16 00:56
Re: Martin Persists 691 Merrell 28-May-16 09:00
Re: Martin Persists 524 Martin Stower 28-May-16 11:11
as long as we are counting 621 Warwick 25-May-16 16:42
Re: as long as we are counting 580 DScribr 26-May-16 01:53
Re: as long as we are counting 618 cladking 26-May-16 16:57
Re: as long as we are counting 540 Martin Stower 26-May-16 17:31
Re: as long as we are counting 546 Origyptian 26-May-16 17:40
Re: as long as we are counting 465 cladking 27-May-16 00:21
Re: as long as we are counting 555 Warwick 27-May-16 01:27
Re: as long as we are counting 369 Origyptian 27-May-16 02:53
And work hard at obfuscation. 442 DScribr 27-May-16 00:57
Re: And work hard at obfuscation. 507 cladking 27-May-16 02:55
Re: as long as we are counting 477 Warwick 27-May-16 01:29
Re: as long as we are counting 576 cladking 27-May-16 02:59
Re: as long as we are counting 557 Warwick 27-May-16 03:35
Re: as long as we are counting 535 Audrey 27-May-16 04:32
Re: as long as we are counting 490 Warwick 27-May-16 05:34
Re: as long as we are counting 591 cladking 27-May-16 13:35
Re: as long as we are counting 548 Warwick 27-May-16 14:56
The original page on Indiegogo etc. 637 Martin Stower 25-May-16 22:10
Another performance . . . 520 Martin Stower 26-May-16 13:47
Re: Another performance . . . 475 Warwick 26-May-16 13:57
Re: Another performance . . . 416 Origyptian 26-May-16 14:53
Re: Another performance . . . 516 Martin Stower 26-May-16 16:09
Re: Another performance . . . 521 cladking 26-May-16 16:18
Re: Another performance . . . 428 Martin Stower 26-May-16 16:31
Re: Another performance . . . 741 cladking 26-May-16 17:54
Re: Another performance . . . 581 Martin Stower 26-May-16 18:29
Re: Another performance . . . 407 cladking 26-May-16 23:52
Re: Another performance . . . 562 eyeofhorus33 26-May-16 19:00
Re: Another performance . . . 450 cladking 27-May-16 00:05
Re: Another performance . . . 482 Audrey 27-May-16 00:23
Re: Another performance . . . 468 Warwick 27-May-16 01:42
Re: Another performance . . . 553 cladking 27-May-16 02:07
Re: Another performance . . . 498 Warwick 27-May-16 02:15
Re: Another performance . . . 531 cladking 27-May-16 02:48
Re: Another performance . . . 508 Warwick 27-May-16 03:48
Re: Another performance . . . 567 cladking 27-May-16 03:53
Re: Another performance . . . 594 Warwick 27-May-16 05:41
Re: Another performance . . . 495 Audrey 27-May-16 04:51
Re: Another performance . . . 528 Warwick 27-May-16 05:18
NOT Primitive, Low-Tech 484 DScribr 28-May-16 14:09
Re: NOT Primitive, Low-Tech 533 cladking 28-May-16 14:31
Re: Another performance . . . 567 Thanos5150 26-May-16 16:38
Re: Another performance . . . 458 cladking 26-May-16 16:44
Re: Another performance . . . 545 Origyptian 26-May-16 17:33
Re: Another performance . . . 577 cladking 26-May-16 17:40
Re: Another performance . . . 553 Martin Stower 26-May-16 17:49
Re: Another performance . . . 576 cladking 27-May-16 00:15
Re: Another performance . . . 557 Martin Stower 27-May-16 19:17
Re: Another performance . . . 576 Warwick 27-May-16 20:00
Re: Another performance . . . 500 cladking 27-May-16 20:21
Re: Another performance . . . 610 Martin Stower 27-May-16 23:06
Re: Oops....we missed the Basalt flooring and machine disc cuts 412 Thunderbird 27-May-16 23:28
Re: Oops....we missed the Basalt flooring and machine disc cuts 544 Martin Stower 27-May-16 23:41
Re: Another performance . . . 554 cladking 28-May-16 00:33
Re: Another performance . . . 538 Martin Stower 28-May-16 00:59
Re: Another performance . . . 532 cladking 28-May-16 02:36
Re: Another performance . . . 519 Martin Stower 28-May-16 23:55
Re: Another performance . . . 441 cladking 29-May-16 01:23
Re: Another performance . . . 490 Martin Stower 29-May-16 19:35
Re: Another performance . . . 657 cladking 29-May-16 20:43
Re: Another performance . . . 546 R Avry Wilson 28-May-16 02:39
Re: Another performance . . . 573 cladking 28-May-16 03:41
Re: Another performance . . . 516 Thanos5150 28-May-16 06:20
Re: Another performance . . . 582 cladking 28-May-16 13:40
Re: Another performance . . . 555 Origyptian 28-May-16 15:04
Re: Another performance . . . 535 Jon Ellison 28-May-16 16:38
Re: Another performance . . . 407 cladking 28-May-16 17:52
Re: Another performance . . . 498 Jon Ellison 28-May-16 17:58
Re: Another performance . . . 430 Origyptian 29-May-16 02:51
Re: Another performance . . . 450 cladking 29-May-16 03:08
Re: Another performance . . . 512 Origyptian 29-May-16 04:03
Re: Another performance . . . 528 Thanos5150 29-May-16 05:03
Re: Another performance . . . 555 Origyptian 29-May-16 13:18
Re: Another performance . . . 576 Thanos5150 29-May-16 15:03
Focus on the axiom 513 Origyptian 29-May-16 15:27
Re: Focus on everything BUT the facts 596 DScribr 29-May-16 15:41
Re: Focus on everything BUT the facts 475 cladking 29-May-16 17:29
Re: Focus on the axiom 453 Thanos5150 30-May-16 01:49
Re: Focus on the axiom 524 Origyptian 30-May-16 05:32
Re: Focus on the axiom 512 Thanos5150 31-May-16 02:35
Re: Focus on the axiom 539 Origyptian 31-May-16 06:41
Re: Focus on the axiom 544 Thanos5150 01-Jun-16 00:28
Re: Focus on reality. 501 DScribr 01-Jun-16 00:51
Re: Focus on the axiom 487 Origyptian 01-Jun-16 06:20
Re: Focus on the axiom 532 Thanos5150 02-Jun-16 03:08
Re: Focus on the axiom 509 cladking 02-Jun-16 04:00
Re: Focus on the axiom 454 Origyptian 02-Jun-16 04:25
Re: Focus on the axiom 462 Thanos5150 02-Jun-16 16:34
Re: Focus on the axiom 475 cladking 02-Jun-16 18:20
Re: Focus on the axiom 529 Origyptian 03-Jun-16 18:04
Re: Focus on the axiom 524 R Avry Wilson 03-Jun-16 18:43
Re: Focus on the axiom 508 Origyptian 03-Jun-16 21:24
Re: Focus on the axiom 506 Corpuscles 03-Jun-16 23:59
Re: Focus on the axiom 354 Origyptian 04-Jun-16 06:29
Re: Focus on the axiom 432 R Avry Wilson 04-Jun-16 00:12
Re: Focus on the axiom 422 Origyptian 04-Jun-16 07:02
Re: Focus on the axiom 546 Jon Ellison 04-Jun-16 10:18
Re: Focus on the axiom 488 R Avry Wilson 05-Jun-16 04:15
Re: Focus on the axiom 495 Martin Stower 03-Jun-16 22:28
Re: Focus on the axiom 492 cladking 03-Jun-16 22:51
Re: Focus on the axiom 618 Thanos5150 04-Jun-16 01:08
Re: Focus on the axiom 505 Origyptian 05-Jun-16 01:25
Re: Focus on the axiom 546 Thanos5150 05-Jun-16 04:15
Re: Focus on the axiom 507 Origyptian 05-Jun-16 17:29
Re: Focus on the axiom 539 Martin Stower 05-Jun-16 19:35
Re: Focus on the axiom 554 Origyptian 05-Jun-16 22:48
Re: Focus on the axiom 468 Martin Stower 05-Jun-16 23:47
Re: Focus on the axiom 514 Origyptian 06-Jun-16 00:54
Re: Focus on the axiom 479 Origyptian 06-Jun-16 01:01
Re: Focus on the axiom 518 Thanos5150 06-Jun-16 01:05
Re: Focus on the axiom 503 Origyptian 06-Jun-16 02:40
Re: Focus on the axiom 521 R Avry Wilson 06-Jun-16 03:39
Re: Focus on the axiom 443 Audrey 06-Jun-16 04:59
Re: Focus on the axiom 431 Jon Ellison 06-Jun-16 07:59
Re: Focus on the axiom 456 Origyptian 06-Jun-16 14:00
Re: Focus on the axiom 502 cladking 06-Jun-16 16:13
Re: Focus on the axiom 462 Corpuscles 07-Jun-16 00:20
Re: Focus on the axiom 506 Origyptian 07-Jun-16 02:55
Re: Focus on the axiom 448 Thanos5150 06-Jun-16 15:33
Re: Focus on the axiom 397 Warwick 06-Jun-16 16:17
Re: Focus on the axiom 528 Audrey 06-Jun-16 16:39
Re: Focus on the axiom 522 Warwick 06-Jun-16 16:58
Re: Focus on the axiom 421 Audrey 06-Jun-16 17:46
Re: Focus on the axiom 463 Warwick 06-Jun-16 18:13
Re: Focus on the axiom 400 Audrey 06-Jun-16 23:44
Read what I wrote 420 Warwick 07-Jun-16 17:15
Re: Read what I wrote 445 Audrey 08-Jun-16 00:22
Re: Read what I wrote 436 Martin Stower 08-Jun-16 01:40
Re: Read what I wrote 602 Audrey 08-Jun-16 01:52
Re: Read what I wrote 466 Martin Stower 08-Jun-16 13:47
Vyse's veracity.... 459 Warwick 09-Jun-16 16:29
Re: Vyse's veracity.... 380 Audrey 09-Jun-16 16:51
Re: Vyse's veracity.... 489 Warwick 09-Jun-16 17:19
Re: Vyse's veracity.... 518 Audrey 09-Jun-16 17:45
Wilkinson's opinions 444 Warwick 09-Jun-16 18:47
Re: Wilkinson's opinions 460 Origyptian 09-Jun-16 20:57
Ori's opinions 607 DScribr 10-Jun-16 01:45
Re: The incredible Teflon Red Ochre 433 Thunderbird 10-Jun-16 04:07
Re: The incredible Teflon Red Ochre 558 Martin Stower 10-Jun-16 14:49
Re: The incredible Red Ochre lasted 4500 yrs. 478 DScribr 11-Jun-16 00:40
Re: Wilkinson's opinions 405 Martin Stower 10-Jun-16 02:28
Re: Wilkinson's opinions 396 Audrey 10-Jun-16 03:05
Re: Wilkinson's opinions 532 Martin Stower 10-Jun-16 14:09
Bibliography 471 Warwick 10-Jun-16 18:07
Re: Bibliography 485 Origyptian 10-Jun-16 18:35
Re: Bibliography 462 Warwick 10-Jun-16 20:01
Re: Bibliography 515 Origyptian 10-Jun-16 21:54
Re: Bibliography 536 Corpuscles 10-Jun-16 23:45
Re: Bibliography 349 Origyptian 11-Jun-16 17:01
Re: Bibliography 484 Corpuscles 11-Jun-16 22:36
Re: Bibliography 440 Audrey 11-Jun-16 23:08
Re: Bibliography 467 Corpuscles 11-Jun-16 23:26
Re: Bibliography 376 Audrey 12-Jun-16 02:30
Re: Bibliography 421 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 03:19
Re: Bibliography 368 Audrey 12-Jun-16 03:32
Re: Bibliography 407 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 03:40
Re: Bibliography 418 Audrey 12-Jun-16 03:50
Re: Bibliography 373 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 04:30
Re: Bibliography 370 Audrey 12-Jun-16 04:47
Re: Bibliography 349 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 05:02
Re: Bibliography 490 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 10:49
Re: Bibliography 446 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 15:56
Re: Bibliography 371 R Avry Wilson 12-Jun-16 17:41
But Avry.. 420 Warwick 12-Jun-16 17:58
Re: But Avry.. 499 R Avry Wilson 12-Jun-16 18:14
Re: But Avry.. 484 Audrey 12-Jun-16 18:37
Re: But Avry.. 464 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 20:15
Re: But Avry.. 470 Audrey 12-Jun-16 18:44
Re: But Avry.. 439 Warwick 12-Jun-16 18:59
Re: But Avry.. 418 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 20:11
This whole discussion is a boondoggle 497 DScribr 13-Jun-16 01:04
Re: This whole discussion is a boondoggle 478 Warwick 13-Jun-16 16:24
Re: Bibliography 345 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 10:28
Re: Bibliography 441 Origyptian 11-Jun-16 23:35
Re: Bibliography 466 Corpuscles 11-Jun-16 23:58
Re: Bibliography 440 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 00:48
Re: Bibliography 477 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 01:13
Re: Bibliography 508 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 01:33
Re: Bibliography 526 Martin Stower 11-Jun-16 02:05
Re: Bibliography 496 Origyptian 11-Jun-16 18:09
Re: Bibliography 485 Martin Stower 11-Jun-16 19:22
Re: Bibliography 423 Origyptian 11-Jun-16 19:56
Re: Bibliography 351 Martin Stower 11-Jun-16 20:47
Re: Bibliography 477 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 00:03
Re: Bibliography 463 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 00:22
Re: Bibliography 357 Audrey 12-Jun-16 01:58
Re: Bibliography 496 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 02:24
Re: Bibliography 411 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 12:23
Re: Bibliography 437 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 14:50
Re: Bibliography 450 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 16:46
Re: Bibliography 368 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 00:10
Re: Bibliography 464 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 00:18
Re: Bibliography 456 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 00:35
Re: Bibliography 516 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 00:39
Re: Bibliography 413 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 01:23
Re: Bibliography 412 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 02:18
Re: Bibliography 360 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 13:55
Re: Bibliography 434 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 15:45
Re: Bibliography 463 R Avry Wilson 12-Jun-16 17:32
Re: Bibliography 411 Warwick 12-Jun-16 17:41
Re: Bibliography 458 R Avry Wilson 12-Jun-16 18:08
Re: Bibliography 451 Audrey 12-Jun-16 18:48
Re: Bibliography 450 Audrey 12-Jun-16 18:35
Re: Bibliography 398 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 19:09
Gonna ignore the noise and try again 446 Warwick 12-Jun-16 19:53
Re: Gonna ignore the noise and try again 459 Thunderbird 12-Jun-16 20:18
Re: Gonna ignore the noise and try again 420 Audrey 12-Jun-16 21:04
Re: Gonna ignore the noise and try again