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Jon Ellison Wrote:
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> Ori is stating that the story was fabricated.
> He has given his reasons for the use of the word "fabricated".
> Fabricated then by the higher standards of today
> and for whatever reason.
> The bar is constantly being raised and Egyptology
> must respond accordingly.
> As do all progressive disciplines.
> Yesterday's truth is not necessarily today's truth.
> It is not about the history of Egyptology, It's
> about the history of humanity.

Obviously, I wholeheartedly agree with Audrey and Jon (and no, we have not conspired or even consulted each other on our perspectives of Reisner, the cartouche, Vyse, or Creighton.

Avry's fascinating perspective is the poster child of how many of the major tenets of Egyptology got into the mess they're in today. Such a flippant attitude that hand waves the obsolete practices of the past (some of them still embraced in the present) is a clear demonstration of the inertia to update standards in the field.

To address some of Avry's concerns:
    "Fabrication, made it up, who cares"
    Apparently, Thanos, Stower, and Avry care. A lot. Or else they wouldn't be instigating so many volleys about it after my first mentioning it as an example of low standards.

    "This 'example' is indicative of a 'poor standard'? From our point of view - with new information - yes, but not from_his_point of view"
    And I've never disagreed with that (other than a single bad hair day back in February). I've repeated several times that I don't blame him at all. All he did was apply the standard of his day, a standard used by many to draw unfounded conclusions that are still accepted as fact today. He's not to blame, the discipline is to blame. Sure I might seem like I'm blaming and flaming Reisner, but that's just my frustration bubbling up and getting misinterpreted as being directed at Reisner. Sure it gets me upset when I realize how misguided we have all been by such fabricated stories that the humanities have allowed to run rampant. And it's not hard to lose oneself momentarily in a 'heat of battle' debate with such staunch idealogues as we see here at GHMB. And even though I did stray for a moment in Feb., I immediately retracted the comment and exonerated Reisner from the slur that several here have been trying to accuse me of.

    "Why is this a relevant example"
    Two reasons:
      1. This is but one example of very low standards used in the field. It's not limitied to Reisner or G7000x. It is a widespread phenomenon. It was used to show that the unfounded credibility that has been imbued into the Vyse narrative despite the lack of evidence of the actual events that happened is not an isolated event. Even the Vyse and Reisner apologists have acknowledged that such behavior was widespread. And sure enough, similar to the fabrications in the Reisner narrative, there is zero direct evidence that any sarcophagus was in that crate, and there is zero direct evidence that the crate was on the Beatrice when it left Alexandria. It's all based on what might possibly have happened as told in the purely speculative narrative that has yet to be substantiated (if anything, the new analysis being probed in these discussions make the narrative even less plausible, not more so).

      2. It's relevant because what some people are excoriating Scott for in these recent discussions is really not that much different from the fabricated narrative from Reisner that they so hostilely support. In other words, Scott is simply assessing the current physical evidence and constructing a story about the events that might have happened to account for that evidence. Is Scott's situation the same as Reisner's? Of course not; Reisner was a world-recognized mainstream Egyptologist with all credibility that goes with that stature. Scott is an independent armchair investigator who's far from mainstream and must deal with his far less field experience compared to Reisner as well as all of the inertia implied by such a challenge to mainstream. Also, at least parts of Reisner's narrative have been shown to be fabricated because they're now believed to be untrue and not based on fact. Scott's narrative remains to be proven wrong. Do the differences in Scott's and Reisner's respective narrative justify the deification of Reisner and the demonization of Scott? Absolutely not.

    "It is a very common practice for individuals who subliminaly recognize they've lost an argument, and in order to keep the 'narrative' going the datapoints just keep jumping all over the map."
    I know you're not referring to me since in my 118 posts that mention Reisner, 117 of them are rock steady in their consistency. And the one time I drifted, I immediately recognized and retracted it. On the other hand, the traditionalists here are the ones keeping this "narrative going" as they continue "jumping all over the map" searching for new ways to impose their position. I mentioned Reisner once at the beginning of the thread to exemplify the low standard, but they keep harping on all different ways to discredit it. I urge Avry to go back and reread if he missed that phenomenon. First they try to intimidate me by making fun of my "low standard" claim. Then they switch gears and acknowledge that it was indeed a low standard and then try to justify the low standard by claiming it was widespread across the discipline so why single out Reisner (as if that somehow makes the low standard any more acceptable). Then they think they can visit my intentions by trying to divine the hidden motives behind my words rather than taking the words at face value on their own merit within the context they're used. And now they've backed into the corner of relying on technical nuances to split hairs in the differences in word definitions between dictionaries (a common occurence) as a way to discredit the messenger instead of looking at the big picture of what the sentences actually say. In fact, only now is Avry acknowledging that it was indeed a low standard but that the issue just isn't that relevant or important. So I'm not the one who's "lost an argument here", or who kept the "narrative going", or who "jumped all over the map". I'm the one plowing through this volley very consistently and undeterred.

    "I implore you to stop this nonsense. Please."
    I agree this is nonsense but Avry misdirected his comment since I'm not the one dragging it out, his current post being an example since he asked me questions that I feel compelled to answer. If no one had challenged me when I initially mentioned low standard applied by Reisner (which was indeed a low standard by any measure), none of this "nonsense" would be persisting in the first place. Avry, himself, just acknowledged that it was indeed a low standard, and yet he still hasn't intervened with the Reisner apologists to cease their relentless defense of Reisner's narrative.

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That chemical analysis . . . 738 Martin Stower 19-May-16 17:30
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 658 Origyptian 19-May-16 20:50
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 637 Jon Ellison 19-May-16 21:31
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 607 Martin Stower 19-May-16 22:01
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 597 Martin Stower 19-May-16 21:42
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 571 Origyptian 19-May-16 22:12
The unfounded accusations continue..... 694 DScribr 19-May-16 22:46
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 673 Martin Stower 20-May-16 00:14
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 593 Thanos5150 20-May-16 00:35
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 494 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 01:57
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 599 Origyptian 20-May-16 02:47
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 484 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 03:20
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 567 Martin Stower 20-May-16 19:10
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 600 DScribr 20-May-16 23:23
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 584 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 23:35
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 565 DScribr 20-May-16 23:40
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 537 Origyptian 21-May-16 01:07
Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 442 DScribr 20-May-16 02:58
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 592 Martin Stower 19-May-16 22:55
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 593 DScribr 19-May-16 22:43
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 593 Martin Stower 19-May-16 23:30
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 638 Origyptian 20-May-16 02:48
The lack of analysis . . . 696 DScribr 20-May-16 03:05
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 630 Audrey 20-May-16 04:13
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 559 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 06:58
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 586 DScribr 20-May-16 23:42
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 716 Origyptian 20-May-16 15:46
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 541 Martin Stower 21-May-16 01:28
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 545 Origyptian 21-May-16 01:32
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 584 Martin Stower 21-May-16 02:07
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 568 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 06:43
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 584 Origyptian 21-May-16 14:58
So much for chemical analysis . . . 569 DScribr 21-May-16 19:54
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 571 Martin Stower 21-May-16 22:49
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 563 Martin Stower 21-May-16 23:00
Re: What's the end game with this? 667 Thunderbird 20-May-16 17:20
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 565 Martin Stower 20-May-16 19:04
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 550 Audrey 20-May-16 22:43
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 503 Martin Stower 20-May-16 22:54
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 428 Origyptian 21-May-16 01:06
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 570 Martin Stower 20-May-16 23:44
Höfer and Görlitz meet Stein 509 Martin Stower 21-May-16 00:36
Re: Höfer and Görlitz meet Stein 487 Origyptian 21-May-16 01:23
Re: Höfer and Görlitz meet Stein 702 Martin Stower 21-May-16 01:55
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 585 Origyptian 22-May-16 01:11
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 571 Jon Ellison 22-May-16 01:14
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 613 Martin Stower 23-May-16 00:03
Re: That chemical analysis is all but forgotten...... 552 DScribr 23-May-16 03:11
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 564 Origyptian 21-May-16 13:26
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 483 Origyptian 22-May-16 04:45
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 695 Origyptian 21-May-16 23:58
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 615 Origyptian 21-May-16 04:14
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 583 Origyptian 20-May-16 02:52
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 491 Origyptian 20-May-16 13:36
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 599 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 18:56
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 586 Martin Stower 20-May-16 19:23
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 657 Thanos5150 20-May-16 19:27
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 520 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 19:29
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 553 Audrey 20-May-16 21:02
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 571 Origyptian 20-May-16 21:12
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 548 Jon Ellison 20-May-16 21:26
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 617 Thanos5150 20-May-16 22:08
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 615 Audrey 20-May-16 22:34
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 504 Thanos5150 20-May-16 22:36
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 603 Audrey 20-May-16 22:47
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 496 Thanos5150 20-May-16 23:00
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 516 Audrey 20-May-16 23:11
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 496 Thanos5150 21-May-16 00:01
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 511 Audrey 21-May-16 00:23
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 562 Thanos5150 21-May-16 03:14
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 551 Audrey 21-May-16 05:02
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 497 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 09:10
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 621 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 09:28
The chemical analysis is of little help without R-C Dating 679 DScribr 21-May-16 13:37
Re: The chemical analysis is of little help without R-C Dating 503 Origyptian 21-May-16 13:56
Re: The chemical analysis is of little help without R-C Dating 547 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 17:48
Willful ignorance continues....... 584 DScribr 21-May-16 19:49
Re: Willful ignorance continues....... 607 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 21:28
Re: Stealing IS a crime! Willful ignorance continues....... 500 DScribr 22-May-16 00:39
Re: The chemical analysis is of little help without R-C Dating 599 Richard Fusniak 21-May-16 18:17
Re: The chemical analysis is of little help without R-C Dating 473 DScribr 21-May-16 19:57
Re: The chemical analysis is of little help without R-C Dating 602 Richard Fusniak 21-May-16 20:24
Stealing IS A Crime!!! 585 DScribr 22-May-16 00:32
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 578 Origyptian 21-May-16 15:04
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 496 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 17:53
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 556 Origyptian 21-May-16 21:39
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 558 Jon Ellison 22-May-16 00:46
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 507 Martin Stower 21-May-16 00:09
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 556 Audrey 21-May-16 01:04
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 626 Martin Stower 21-May-16 01:41
Re: That chemical analysis . . . 576 Jon Ellison 21-May-16 11:00
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 539 Origyptian 20-May-16 19:25
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Re: That chemical analysis . . . 641 Martin Stower 21-May-16 03:34
Pending statement from Dr. Gorlitz 865 Richard Fusniak 20-May-16 12:04
Re: Pending statement from Dr. Gorlitz 616 Martin Stower 20-May-16 19:25
Martin Persists 656 drrayeye 23-May-16 01:30
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Re: Martin Persists 491 R Avry Wilson 24-May-16 19:58
Mainstream Persists 640 DScribr 25-May-16 00:56
Re: Martin Persists 713 Merrell 28-May-16 09:00
Re: Martin Persists 543 Martin Stower 28-May-16 11:11
as long as we are counting 643 Warwick 25-May-16 16:42
Re: as long as we are counting 601 DScribr 26-May-16 01:53
Re: as long as we are counting 640 cladking 26-May-16 16:57
Re: as long as we are counting 566 Martin Stower 26-May-16 17:31
Re: as long as we are counting 569 Origyptian 26-May-16 17:40
Re: as long as we are counting 504 cladking 27-May-16 00:21
Re: as long as we are counting 580 Warwick 27-May-16 01:27
Re: as long as we are counting 392 Origyptian 27-May-16 02:53
And work hard at obfuscation. 464 DScribr 27-May-16 00:57
Re: And work hard at obfuscation. 527 cladking 27-May-16 02:55
Re: as long as we are counting 501 Warwick 27-May-16 01:29
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The original page on Indiegogo etc. 653 Martin Stower 25-May-16 22:10
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NOT Primitive, Low-Tech 506 DScribr 28-May-16 14:09
Re: NOT Primitive, Low-Tech 555 cladking 28-May-16 14:31
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Re: Oops....we missed the Basalt flooring and machine disc cuts 433 Thunderbird 27-May-16 23:28
Re: Oops....we missed the Basalt flooring and machine disc cuts 621 Martin Stower 27-May-16 23:41
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Focus on the axiom 532 Origyptian 29-May-16 15:27
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Re: Focus on reality. 523 DScribr 01-Jun-16 00:51
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Re: Focus on the axiom 462 Audrey 06-Jun-16 04:59
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Re: Focus on the axiom 485 Corpuscles 07-Jun-16 00:20
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Read what I wrote 437 Warwick 07-Jun-16 17:15
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Re: Read what I wrote 458 Martin Stower 08-Jun-16 01:40
Re: Read what I wrote 618 Audrey 08-Jun-16 01:52
Re: Read what I wrote 490 Martin Stower 08-Jun-16 13:47
Vyse's veracity.... 477 Warwick 09-Jun-16 16:29
Re: Vyse's veracity.... 400 Audrey 09-Jun-16 16:51
Re: Vyse's veracity.... 509 Warwick 09-Jun-16 17:19
Re: Vyse's veracity.... 544 Audrey 09-Jun-16 17:45
Wilkinson's opinions 464 Warwick 09-Jun-16 18:47
Re: Wilkinson's opinions 480 Origyptian 09-Jun-16 20:57
Ori's opinions 631 DScribr 10-Jun-16 01:45
Re: The incredible Teflon Red Ochre 455 Thunderbird 10-Jun-16 04:07
Re: The incredible Teflon Red Ochre 580 Martin Stower 10-Jun-16 14:49
Re: The incredible Red Ochre lasted 4500 yrs. 497 DScribr 11-Jun-16 00:40
Re: Wilkinson's opinions 430 Martin Stower 10-Jun-16 02:28
Re: Wilkinson's opinions 415 Audrey 10-Jun-16 03:05
Re: Wilkinson's opinions 554 Martin Stower 10-Jun-16 14:09
Bibliography 490 Warwick 10-Jun-16 18:07
Re: Bibliography 505 Origyptian 10-Jun-16 18:35
Re: Bibliography 481 Warwick 10-Jun-16 20:01
Re: Bibliography 539 Origyptian 10-Jun-16 21:54
Re: Bibliography 555 Corpuscles 10-Jun-16 23:45
Re: Bibliography 366 Origyptian 11-Jun-16 17:01
Re: Bibliography 505 Corpuscles 11-Jun-16 22:36
Re: Bibliography 461 Audrey 11-Jun-16 23:08
Re: Bibliography 489 Corpuscles 11-Jun-16 23:26
Re: Bibliography 395 Audrey 12-Jun-16 02:30
Re: Bibliography 443 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 03:19
Re: Bibliography 389 Audrey 12-Jun-16 03:32
Re: Bibliography 430 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 03:40
Re: Bibliography 438 Audrey 12-Jun-16 03:50
Re: Bibliography 396 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 04:30
Re: Bibliography 390 Audrey 12-Jun-16 04:47
Re: Bibliography 368 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 05:02
Re: Bibliography 512 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 10:49
Re: Bibliography 464 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 15:56
Re: Bibliography 392 R Avry Wilson 12-Jun-16 17:41
But Avry.. 438 Warwick 12-Jun-16 17:58
Re: But Avry.. 550 R Avry Wilson 12-Jun-16 18:14
Re: But Avry.. 507 Audrey 12-Jun-16 18:37
Re: But Avry.. 487 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 20:15
Re: But Avry.. 490 Audrey 12-Jun-16 18:44
Re: But Avry.. 457 Warwick 12-Jun-16 18:59
Re: But Avry.. 450 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 20:11
This whole discussion is a boondoggle 519 DScribr 13-Jun-16 01:04
Re: This whole discussion is a boondoggle 497 Warwick 13-Jun-16 16:24
Re: Bibliography 369 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 10:28
Re: Bibliography 460 Origyptian 11-Jun-16 23:35
Re: Bibliography 484 Corpuscles 11-Jun-16 23:58
Re: Bibliography 461 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 00:48
Re: Bibliography 500 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 01:13
Re: Bibliography 538 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 01:33
Re: Bibliography 553 Martin Stower 11-Jun-16 02:05
Re: Bibliography 517 Origyptian 11-Jun-16 18:09
Re: Bibliography 508 Martin Stower 11-Jun-16 19:22
Re: Bibliography 450 Origyptian 11-Jun-16 19:56
Re: Bibliography 373 Martin Stower 11-Jun-16 20:47
Re: Bibliography 498 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 00:03
Re: Bibliography 482 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 00:22
Re: Bibliography 380 Audrey 12-Jun-16 01:58
Re: Bibliography 517 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 02:24
Re: Bibliography 432 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 12:23
Re: Bibliography 464 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 14:50
Re: Bibliography 475 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 16:46
Re: Bibliography 388 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 00:10
Re: Bibliography 483 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 00:18
Re: Bibliography 475 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 00:35
Re: Bibliography 537 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 00:39
Re: Bibliography 431 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 01:23
Re: Bibliography 436 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 02:18
Re: Bibliography 385 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 13:55
Re: Bibliography 453 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 15:45
Re: Bibliography 481 R Avry Wilson 12-Jun-16 17:32
Re: Bibliography 429 Warwick 12-Jun-16 17:41
Re: Bibliography 480 R Avry Wilson 12-Jun-16 18:08
Re: Bibliography 471 Audrey 12-Jun-16 18:48
Re: Bibliography 468 Audrey 12-Jun-16 18:35
Re: Bibliography 421 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 19:09
Gonna ignore the noise and try again 467 Warwick 12-Jun-16 19:53
Re: Gonna ignore the noise and try again 476 Thunderbird 12-Jun-16 20:18
Re: Gonna ignore the noise and try again 435 Audrey 12-Jun-16 21:04