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Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> I do not respect your opinion as despite all that has
> been said you still have it.

More Thanos signature charm.

Yes, I still have my opinion because despite all that has been said, the evidence is not conclusive.



> Reisner was no more trying to "deceive the world"
> as Lehner was about the worker's town.

Not quite. According to your opinion, Reisner knew that the notion of a "displaced tomb" from the "original" at Saqqara to the secret pit at G7000x was pure speculation as a way to explain the artifacts in G7000x, and assuming that he monitored the acceptance of his hypotheses, he surely noticed that the field interpreted his speculation as being "historical fact" as observed by Lehner. And yet even though Reisner was quick to correct the media from initially erroneously reporting that G7000x was the tomb of Sneferu, Reisner apparently took no corresponding action to correct the misconception that Hetepheres' alleged original tomb in Saqqara was established historical fact rather than merely his speculation.

Not sure how that substantially differs from what you're objecting to.


Let's revisit Reisner's account of this episode in bmfa25_1927_01to36.pdf and see how clearly he made it known that he was merely speculating and not stating fact (bold emphasis is mine):

    "...the accumulated evidence permitted us to draw certain definite conclusions, many of which have been outlined in the preceding chapters. The intact tomb at Giza, which bears on our map the number G 7000 X, was a secret tomb made during the building of the pyramid of Cheops, and by its position could only be the tomb of a favored member of the family of that king. The deposit in the tomb was a reburial brought from another tomb. The great golden canopy, a magnificent example of the metal working of Dynasty IV. and the accompanying inlaid box, bore the name of Sneferuw, the predecessor and father of Cheops. Four other objects, the carrying-chair, the jewel box containing the inlaid silver anklets, an inlaid panel, and a gold disc, bore the names and titles of the Queen Hetepheres, a mother of a king of Upper and Lower Egypt ... The queen was buried by Cheops in her original tomb, for the broken seals of his storehouse were in the rubbish gathered up from the floor of that tomb. Therefore, in all reasonable human probability, Hetepheres was the mother of Cheops and a wife of Sneferuw."

Reisner clearly and unconditionally presents that Hetepheres was relocated from her original tomb at Dashur and reburied at G7000x. There is not a hint of speculation in his narrative on that point. Further along, Reisner states:

    "In accordance with Egyptian custom the original tomb of Hetepheres was at Dahshur beside the pyramid of her husband Sneferuw..."

    "...and I have no doubt that Queen Hetepheres inspected her tomb [in Saqqara] repeatedly during its construction and after completion. She outlived her husband and was buried by her son Cheops in the tomb prepared by Sneferuw."

    "We have no definite evidence of just when the queen-mother died, probably in the first half of the reign of Cheops. Nor have we any proof of how long a time elapsed before the royal police discovered that the tomb had been broken open by thieves, but it was certainly no great number of years after the burial."

    "The anger of the king can be imagined and the penalties meted out to every one who came under the suspicion of guilt or negligence. Resolved to place the burial of his mother beyond the reach of further desecration, Cheops ordered her body with the alabaster sarcophagus and all that remained of the equipment, to be transferred to a secret grave in the precincts of his own royal cemetery at Giza. One wonders whether the “annals of the Old Kingdom’’ ever showed any record of this event."

    "The Dahshur tomb of Queen Hetepheres after the plundering was left in great confusion. If there is one thing with which the Egyptian field archaeologist is familiar it is the state in which thieves leave an ancient tomb. Originally the floor of the Dahshur tomb was completely covered by the burial equipment. The alabaster sarcophagus stood in the southwestern quarter of the room under the cloth-lined gold canopy presented by Sneferuw. In the southern part of the room, in front of the canopy, the gold-cased furniture was set, together with the gold-cased boxes which contained the more valuable objects, the toilet-boxes, and the copper ewer and basin."

    "The doorway was blocked with rectangular blocks of fine white limestone set in plaster. The thieves forced a way through this masonry block, no doubt near the top, so that a part of the plaster and stone fell within the chamber. These men were probably of the cemetery workmen or guards and knew exactly where the valuables in a grave were to be found. In this case, they seem to have paid little attention to the deposit on the floor but made for the sarcophagus itself. They trampled over the pottery and the furniture to the canopy which they must have upset to the east or taken down to afford room for getting at the coffin lid. They were unable to lift the lid by the four short projections, two at each end, which served as handles, for they attempted to force the lid by driving wedges, probably of metal, between the box and the lid. The edges are chipped on all four sides by these efforts, and one corner of the lid is broken off. Whether the thieves succeeded before they were discovered we shall not know until we open the coffin."

    "We do not yet know the state in which the thieves left the mummy of the queen, but probably at this point the mummy of the queen was taken out and placed on a bier or in some temporary receptacle for transport. Finally the lid and then the sarcophagus would have been manoeuvred out one at a time and taken up the sloping entrance corridor.[/b]"

    "The heavy coffin was loaded on a wooden sledge. That was the method used in transporting heavy blocks of stone in the Pyramid Age. It was probably dragged by large gangs of men from Dahshur to Giza, but whether by the desert or some valley road is uncertain. The sledge with its load might even have been carried part of the way by water. The time required would be measured by weeks, not months."

Nowhere does Reisner clarify that "what follows is my speculation that Hetepheres was originally buried in Dahshur and that her original tomb was plundered by contemporaneous robbers and so she was then reburied in Giza." Rather, throughout his report he repeats what clearly are factual decrees of her reburial. It seems obvious that he felt the need to do that because:

    1. he believed his team was the first to breach the G7000X Old Kingdom tomb of Hetepheres I.
    2. her body was missing from g7000x,
    3. he believed she was the wife of Sneferu, mother of Khufu,
    4. he believed she definitely was buried next to Sneferu in Dashur.
    5. decreeing the reburial reconciled what appeared to be her tomb in Giza rather than Dashur.

Regardless of the specific details he offers, there is nothing in his report that would lead anyone to believe he is merely speculating that Hetepheres' original tomb is in Dashur. Rather, he repeats several times that there is no doubt that she was first buried there and then her tomb was relocated.

So sure, there are a few "probablies" and "would have beens" inserted here and there in an attempt to fill in the details, but Reisner also is teaching a series of decrees that can be reasonably inferred to be accepted as fact. And it was indeed accepted as fact for 60 years until Lehner called him on it in 1985.

To say that Reisner wasn't trying to "deceive" anyone implies that he didn't realize how baselessly dogmatic his statements were. And while that's a possibility, it only means that he would then be guilty of lacking objectivity in reporting the results of his investigation. And that leads us back to it being another example of the far lower standards of proof that were tolerated in reporting facts vs. speculation back then.

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Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 08-Jun-16 03:27 by Origyptian.

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Re: The unfounded accusations continue..... 595 Thanos5150 20-May-16 00:35
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Re: Focus on the axiom 525 cladking 06-Jun-16 16:13
Re: Focus on the axiom 486 Corpuscles 07-Jun-16 00:20
Re: Focus on the axiom 532 Origyptian 07-Jun-16 02:55
Re: Focus on the axiom 471 Thanos5150 06-Jun-16 15:33
Re: Focus on the axiom 436 Warwick 06-Jun-16 16:17
Re: Focus on the axiom 549 Audrey 06-Jun-16 16:39
Re: Focus on the axiom 544 Warwick 06-Jun-16 16:58
Re: Focus on the axiom 450 Audrey 06-Jun-16 17:46
Re: Focus on the axiom 485 Warwick 06-Jun-16 18:13
Re: Focus on the axiom 422 Audrey 06-Jun-16 23:44
Read what I wrote 438 Warwick 07-Jun-16 17:15
Re: Read what I wrote 468 Audrey 08-Jun-16 00:22
Re: Read what I wrote 460 Martin Stower 08-Jun-16 01:40
Re: Read what I wrote 622 Audrey 08-Jun-16 01:52
Re: Read what I wrote 492 Martin Stower 08-Jun-16 13:47
Vyse's veracity.... 477 Warwick 09-Jun-16 16:29
Re: Vyse's veracity.... 403 Audrey 09-Jun-16 16:51
Re: Vyse's veracity.... 511 Warwick 09-Jun-16 17:19
Re: Vyse's veracity.... 546 Audrey 09-Jun-16 17:45
Wilkinson's opinions 468 Warwick 09-Jun-16 18:47
Re: Wilkinson's opinions 482 Origyptian 09-Jun-16 20:57
Ori's opinions 634 DScribr 10-Jun-16 01:45
Re: The incredible Teflon Red Ochre 458 Thunderbird 10-Jun-16 04:07
Re: The incredible Teflon Red Ochre 581 Martin Stower 10-Jun-16 14:49
Re: The incredible Red Ochre lasted 4500 yrs. 498 DScribr 11-Jun-16 00:40
Re: Wilkinson's opinions 431 Martin Stower 10-Jun-16 02:28
Re: Wilkinson's opinions 418 Audrey 10-Jun-16 03:05
Re: Wilkinson's opinions 555 Martin Stower 10-Jun-16 14:09
Bibliography 490 Warwick 10-Jun-16 18:07
Re: Bibliography 506 Origyptian 10-Jun-16 18:35
Re: Bibliography 482 Warwick 10-Jun-16 20:01
Re: Bibliography 539 Origyptian 10-Jun-16 21:54
Re: Bibliography 557 Corpuscles 10-Jun-16 23:45
Re: Bibliography 366 Origyptian 11-Jun-16 17:01
Re: Bibliography 508 Corpuscles 11-Jun-16 22:36
Re: Bibliography 462 Audrey 11-Jun-16 23:08
Re: Bibliography 492 Corpuscles 11-Jun-16 23:26
Re: Bibliography 397 Audrey 12-Jun-16 02:30
Re: Bibliography 445 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 03:19
Re: Bibliography 390 Audrey 12-Jun-16 03:32
Re: Bibliography 432 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 03:40
Re: Bibliography 441 Audrey 12-Jun-16 03:50
Re: Bibliography 398 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 04:30
Re: Bibliography 392 Audrey 12-Jun-16 04:47
Re: Bibliography 369 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 05:02
Re: Bibliography 515 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 10:49
Re: Bibliography 466 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 15:56
Re: Bibliography 392 R Avry Wilson 12-Jun-16 17:41
But Avry.. 441 Warwick 12-Jun-16 17:58
Re: But Avry.. 553 R Avry Wilson 12-Jun-16 18:14
Re: But Avry.. 510 Audrey 12-Jun-16 18:37
Re: But Avry.. 488 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 20:15
Re: But Avry.. 492 Audrey 12-Jun-16 18:44
Re: But Avry.. 460 Warwick 12-Jun-16 18:59
Re: But Avry.. 452 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 20:11
This whole discussion is a boondoggle 520 DScribr 13-Jun-16 01:04
Re: This whole discussion is a boondoggle 499 Warwick 13-Jun-16 16:24
Re: Bibliography 372 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 10:28
Re: Bibliography 461 Origyptian 11-Jun-16 23:35
Re: Bibliography 486 Corpuscles 11-Jun-16 23:58
Re: Bibliography 465 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 00:48
Re: Bibliography 502 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 01:13
Re: Bibliography 541 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 01:33
Re: Bibliography 554 Martin Stower 11-Jun-16 02:05
Re: Bibliography 519 Origyptian 11-Jun-16 18:09
Re: Bibliography 509 Martin Stower 11-Jun-16 19:22
Re: Bibliography 455 Origyptian 11-Jun-16 19:56
Re: Bibliography 376 Martin Stower 11-Jun-16 20:47
Re: Bibliography 501 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 00:03
Re: Bibliography 483 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 00:22
Re: Bibliography 383 Audrey 12-Jun-16 01:58
Re: Bibliography 520 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 02:24
Re: Bibliography 434 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 12:23
Re: Bibliography 466 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 14:50
Re: Bibliography 479 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 16:46
Re: Bibliography 391 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 00:10
Re: Bibliography 484 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 00:18
Re: Bibliography 476 Corpuscles 12-Jun-16 00:35
Re: Bibliography 540 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 00:39
Re: Bibliography 433 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 01:23
Re: Bibliography 437 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 02:18
Re: Bibliography 387 Martin Stower 12-Jun-16 13:55
Re: Bibliography 454 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 15:45
Re: Bibliography 482 R Avry Wilson 12-Jun-16 17:32
Re: Bibliography 430 Warwick 12-Jun-16 17:41
Re: Bibliography 483 R Avry Wilson 12-Jun-16 18:08
Re: Bibliography 473 Audrey 12-Jun-16 18:48
Re: Bibliography 470 Audrey 12-Jun-16 18:35
Re: Bibliography 424 Origyptian 12-Jun-16 19:09
Gonna ignore the noise and try again 470 Warwick 12-Jun-16 19:53
Re: Gonna ignore the noise and try again 478 Thunderbird 12-Jun-16 20:18
Re: Gonna ignore the noise and try again 436 Audrey 12-Jun-16 21:04