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Hi Thanos

I always appreciate your magnificent storehouse of pictures. Thanks.

I thought I was pretty much done here (this thread), but you ask some questions I will try to answer.

I have deleted some of the claptrap relating to my 'hypothetical' but thanks for answering. The response was consistent with what I expected.

I reverse order some of your stuff


Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> Give me a picture of an AE stone vase you think
> defies all explanation.

Many of the pictures you provided in your reply almost meet this condition if we limit the technology to that batcrazy primitive contraption pictured as being an AE drill and as promoted by D Stocks.

Obviously the one you note is quite large was not made using one of those contraptions neither were the fine tapered drinking vessels.

However you go on to acknowledge that all these creators must have had a lathe. Eureka!

>
> Nope. But Petrie makes it pretty clear they must
> have had lathes which is pretty obvious even to
> the laymen. Let me ask you-what kind of
> contraption could be built using these same
> materials that could create this balance?

The most outstanding for me, not because of beauty or elaborate work is the balanced on a point bowl as made famous by Chris Dunn.

You unfortunately seem to arrived very late in this thread. No problemo!, but you seemed to have missed or not understood the significance of a great deal of significant information.

Jon Ellison posted many very important technical things that I suspect most simply do not have the background experience or interest to understand . He posted a picture of an internal, centrigugal honing tool. It is on page 4 of the thread but it is large pic so ... PLEASE look it up if interested.

Something like that is required to delicately control tapering or internal wall width. Of course in conjunction with a power source and likely a spinning lathe, with very strict stable multi point anchoring.

(btw It would have cost you and your Mrs ... nothing! ;-) as I feel confident a replica could be made today but it would be a super high tech effort)
>
>

> When you look at how much of it there is from the
> archaic Dynastic period alone along with the
> machining that Petrie among others note, there
> seems no doubt they used mechanical advantage
> beyond handheld cranks with an environment able to
> produce them in volume. The point of noting modern
> and ancient examples of these tools is to show
> that you can in fact make similar stone vessels
> with relatively "primitive" technology. There
> comes a point, however, when such simple tools do
> not stand up to scrutiny, but in lieu of these
> tools how advanced must the other tools actually
> be?
How could these principles be adapted using
> ingenious methods to create simple
> machines? The Romans used water powered bronze
> gang saws to fine cut large slabs of marble veneer
> 6ft long and few inches thick several at a time.
> Then they installed them. This is not space age
> technology yet it amazing nonetheless.
>
> >

I am not (nor do I think Petrie) talking about a medieval rod type lathe. You know rope on a tree wrapped around a shaft and foot pedal operated. The precision of these things demand very controlled regulation of cutting tool tip application.

Further IMO it requires very sharp at the very least steel cutting tip.

For me it all comes down to this:

If the dating of several of these very hard stone artefacts is correct(???) THEN at the very least the iron and steel age much be pushed back several millenia. Further the sophisication of machinery that was designed and built to achieve it must be very SIGNIFICANTLY advanced , massively greater, than is credited by Egyptology and Archaeology.

I highly recommend you look up for a guest visit in your city either a recreational "mens shed" (term here in Australia). (Retired old blokes play around with both timber and metal lathes ....you know the ones who are not on the internet 24/7)
or
Try to connect to a metal fabrication engineering shop and ask for a brief look at what is involved in precision turning.

I say that for your and others futher education and enlightenment. I am no expert (but enough that I can tell easily that Jon E is and has politely contributed without much appreciation or acknowledgement). If you just did that you would drop this notion of hard stone being precision cut /shaped by those primitive contraptions... FAST!


Cheers

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Creighton persists 3710 Martin Stower 30-Apr-16 23:26
Some may also be wondering . . . 666 Martin Stower 30-Apr-16 23:37
Re: Creighton persists 808 Frank D 30-Apr-16 23:41
On a natural reading . . . 774 Martin Stower 01-May-16 00:44
Re: On a natural reading . . . 587 Hanslune 01-May-16 05:25
Re: On a natural reading . . . 675 Martin Stower 01-May-16 13:53
Re: On a natural reading . . . 585 Hanslune 01-May-16 14:42
And who will guard the Guards? 599 LonelyAngel 09-May-16 09:08
Re: And who will guard the Guards? 627 Origyptian 09-May-16 12:47
Re: And who will guard the Guards? 618 DScribr 09-May-16 13:21
Re: And who will guard the Guards? 733 LonelyAngel 09-May-16 13:48
Re: And who will read his book? 545 DScribr 10-May-16 02:05
Re: And who will guard the Guards? 587 Martin Stower 16-May-16 23:01
Re: And who will guard the Guards? 625 Martin Stower 09-May-16 19:00
Re: And who will guard the Guards? 518 Corpuscles 09-May-16 20:07
Re: And who will accept the facts? 584 DScribr 10-May-16 02:21
Re: And who will accept the facts? 568 Corpuscles 10-May-16 03:01
Re: And who will accept the facts? 516 DScribr 10-May-16 03:30
Re: And who will accept the facts? 521 Corpuscles 10-May-16 03:47
Re: And who will accept the facts? 452 DScribr 10-May-16 13:32
Re: And who will accept the facts? 425 Harte 10-May-16 20:53
Re: And who will accept the facts? 542 Origyptian 10-May-16 21:14
Change Of Tune!?! 584 DScribr 11-May-16 01:54
The certainty of contamination 558 DScribr 11-May-16 01:44
Re: And who will accept the facts? 533 Frank D 11-May-16 23:40
Re: And who will accept the facts? 501 DScribr 12-May-16 02:52
Re: And who will guard the Henhouse??? 536 DScribr 10-May-16 02:11
Re: And who will guard the Henhouse??? 577 LonelyAngel 10-May-16 12:40
Re: And who will guard the Henhouse??? 529 Origyptian 10-May-16 13:16
Re: And who will guard the Henhouse??? 541 DScribr 10-May-16 13:35
Re: On reading about 'proof' 492 DScribr 07-May-16 15:56
Re: On reading about 'proof' 544 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 16:39
Re: Creighton persists 652 drrayeye 01-May-16 15:10
Re: Creighton persists 670 Martin Stower 01-May-16 16:21
Re: Attack!....Attack! 582 Thunderbird 01-May-16 22:47
Re: Attack!....Attack! 655 Martin Stower 01-May-16 23:19
Re: Attack!....Attack! 652 Hanslune 02-May-16 01:26
Re: Attack!....Attack! 606 Martin Stower 02-May-16 20:25
Re: Attack!....Attack! 672 Hanslune 02-May-16 21:12
Re: Creighton persists 619 cladking 02-May-16 00:22
Re: Creighton persists 646 Martin Stower 02-May-16 01:11
Re: Creighton persists 577 cladking 02-May-16 01:31
Re: Creighton persists 619 Martin Stower 02-May-16 20:03
Re: Creighton persists 591 cladking 03-May-16 00:50
Re: Creighton persists 566 Hanslune 03-May-16 06:00
Re: Creighton persists 537 Merrell 03-May-16 07:34
Re: Creighton persists 704 Origyptian 03-May-16 11:46
Re: Creighton persists 658 Martin Stower 03-May-16 14:01
Re: Creighton persists 687 Origyptian 03-May-16 21:55
Re: Creighton persists 628 Martin Stower 03-May-16 22:54
Re: Creighton persists 657 Origyptian 04-May-16 03:49
Re: Creighton persists 670 Thanos5150 03-May-16 18:26
Re: Creighton persists 590 Origyptian 03-May-16 21:09
Re: Creighton persists 663 Martin Stower 03-May-16 22:56
Re: Creighton persists 624 Origyptian 04-May-16 03:52
Re: Creighton persists 580 Martin Stower 04-May-16 17:54
Re: Creighton persists 566 Origyptian 04-May-16 21:06
Re: Creighton persists 788 Martin Stower 04-May-16 22:28
Re: Creighton persists 592 Harte 06-May-16 10:17
Re: Creighton persists 562 Origyptian 06-May-16 13:04
Re: Creighton persists 504 Martin Stower 06-May-16 15:35
Re: Creighton persists 574 Harte 06-May-16 16:50
Re: Creighton persists 524 Jon Ellison 06-May-16 17:33
Re: Creighton persists 498 Audrey 06-May-16 20:00
Re: Creighton persists 663 Jon Ellison 06-May-16 20:25
Re: Creighton persists 573 Jon Ellison 06-May-16 20:48
Re: Creighton persists 612 Archae Solenhofen 06-May-16 22:30
Re: Creighton persists 517 Jon Ellison 06-May-16 23:37
Re: Creighton persists 541 Martin Stower 07-May-16 00:02
Re: Creighton persists 545 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 00:33
Re: Creighton persists 557 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 01:07
Re: Creighton persists 561 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 01:55
Re: Creighton persists 417 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 02:03
Re: Creighton persists 583 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 05:06
Re: Creighton persists 448 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 10:39
Re: Creighton persists 490 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 16:38
Re: Creighton persists 523 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 17:03
Some "Engineer" 771 DScribr 08-May-16 20:54
Re: Some "Engineer" 514 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 21:00
Re: Some "Engineer" 611 Audrey 08-May-16 21:15
Re: Some "Engineer" 612 DScribr 08-May-16 21:33
Re: Some "Engineer" 573 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 21:44
Re: Creighton persists 554 Audrey 07-May-16 02:09
Re: Creighton persists 534 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 02:16
Re: Creighton persists 549 Luminescence 08-May-16 01:52
Another "Impossibility" 550 DScribr 08-May-16 21:36
Re: Creighton persists 551 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 02:23
Re: Creighton persists 612 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 05:16
my mysterious balls 615 Audrey 07-May-16 06:42
Re: Creighton persists 426 Origyptian 07-May-16 15:51
Re: Creighton persists 488 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 17:12
Re: Creighton persists 439 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 17:23
Re: Creighton persists 558 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 17:53
Re: Creighton persists 498 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 18:40
Re: Creighton persists 525 Audrey 07-May-16 19:30
Re: Creighton persists 494 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 20:11
Re: Creighton persists 503 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 00:06
Re: Creighton persists 562 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 01:23
Re: Creighton persists 498 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 09:48
Re: Creighton persists 439 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 11:34
Re: Creighton persists 471 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 17:32
Re: Creighton persists 472 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 20:07
Re: Creighton persists 482 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 20:24
Re: Creighton persists 455 Origyptian 09-May-16 02:37
Re: Creighton persists 422 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 10:32
Re: Creighton persists 516 Origyptian 09-May-16 12:58
Re: Creighton persists 566 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 13:25
Re: Creighton persists 457 Origyptian 09-May-16 13:30
Re: Creighton persists 484 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 13:33
Re: Creighton persists 475 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 20:44
Re: Creighton persists 451 Origyptian 08-May-16 15:31
Re: Creighton persists 418 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 16:17
Failure to acept the facts persists 502 DScribr 08-May-16 22:11
Re: Failure to acept the facts persists 535 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 22:26
Re: Failure to acept the facts persists 530 DScribr 09-May-16 00:29
Re: Creighton persists 489 Audrey 08-May-16 17:37
Re: Creighton persists 526 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 18:30
Re: Creighton persists 524 Audrey 08-May-16 18:52
Re: Creighton persists 559 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 20:13
Re: Creighton persists 431 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 20:20
Re: Creighton persists 523 Audrey 08-May-16 20:35
Re: Creighton persists 529 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 22:05
Re: Creighton persists 490 Audrey 08-May-16 23:05
Re: Creighton persists 475 Archae Solenhofen 09-May-16 00:11
Re: Creighton persists 515 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 00:35
Re: Creighton persists 440 Corpuscles 09-May-16 01:28
Re: Creighton persists 551 Origyptian 09-May-16 17:15
Re: Creighton persists 504 Corpuscles 09-May-16 19:40
Re: Creighton persists 459 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 20:02
Re: Creighton persists 508 Origyptian 09-May-16 21:25
Re: Creighton persists 609 Martin Stower 09-May-16 22:16
Re: Creighton persists 545 Origyptian 09-May-16 23:06
Re: Creighton persists 558 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 23:33
Re: Creighton persists 509 Martin Stower 09-May-16 23:41
Re: Creighton persists 543 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 23:45
Re: Creighton persists 585 Martin Stower 09-May-16 23:58
Re: Creighton persists 483 Jon Ellison 10-May-16 01:05
Re: Creighton persists 474 Martin Stower 10-May-16 19:32
Re: Creighton persists 500 Origyptian 10-May-16 20:31
Re: Creighton persists 534 Martin Stower 10-May-16 20:45
What Standards? 437 DScribr 10-May-16 02:37
Re: Creighton persists 362 Jon Ellison 10-May-16 14:45
Re: Creighton persists 474 Origyptian 10-May-16 14:53
Re: Creighton persists 542 Jon Ellison 10-May-16 15:00
Re: Creighton persists 554 Audrey 11-May-16 00:53
Re: Creighton persists 557 Martin Stower 11-May-16 01:43
Also . . . 528 Martin Stower 11-May-16 09:19
Re: Creighton persists 441 Origyptian 11-May-16 03:14
Re: Creighton persists 591 Martin Stower 11-May-16 10:17
Re: Creighton persists 556 Corpuscles 11-May-16 10:53
Re: Vessel manufacture 701 Thanos5150 11-May-16 17:24
Re: Vessel manufacture 456 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 18:11
Re: Vessel manufacture 707 Thanos5150 11-May-16 19:30
Re: Vessel manufacture 462 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:02
Re: Vessel manufacture 415 Thanos5150 11-May-16 20:26
Re: Vessel manufacture 479 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 20:36
Re: Vessel manufacture 431 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:58
Re: Vessel manufacture 453 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 21:07
Re: Vessel manufacture 458 Thanos5150 11-May-16 21:18
Re: Vessel manufacture 497 Origyptian 11-May-16 21:35
Re: Vessel manufacture 466 Thanos5150 11-May-16 21:49
Re: Vessel manufacture 396 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 21:58
Re: Vessel manufacture 448 Thanos5150 11-May-16 22:02
Re: Vessel manufacture 490 Origyptian 11-May-16 22:25
Re: Vessel manufacture 413 Origyptian 11-May-16 22:19
Re: Vessel manufacture 444 Origyptian 11-May-16 22:03
Re: Vessel manufacture 563 Thanos5150 11-May-16 22:15
Re: Vessel manufacture 477 Origyptian 11-May-16 22:26
Re: Vessel manufacture 469 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 21:41
Re: Vessel manufacture 431 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:41
Re: Vessel manufacture 429 Thanos5150 11-May-16 20:55
Re: Vessel manufacture 445 Origyptian 11-May-16 21:07
Re: Vessel manufacture 387 Audrey 11-May-16 21:12
Re: Vessel manufacture 439 Thanos5150 11-May-16 21:20
Re: Vessel manufacture 488 Origyptian 11-May-16 21:44
Re: Vessel manufacture 460 Thanos5150 11-May-16 21:58
Re: Vessel manufacture 493 Origyptian 11-May-16 22:23
Re: Vessel manufacture 475 Thanos5150 11-May-16 22:41
Re: Vessel manufacture 467 Audrey 11-May-16 21:56
Re: Vessel manufacture 426 Thanos5150 11-May-16 22:08
Re: Vessel manufacture 414 Thanos5150 11-May-16 21:35
Re: Vessel manufacture 428 Audrey 11-May-16 22:40
Re: Vessel manufacture 419 Thanos5150 11-May-16 22:44
Re: Vessel manufacture 448 Audrey 11-May-16 23:13
Re: Vessel manufacture 444 Thanos5150 12-May-16 00:26
Re: Vessel manufacture 407 Corpuscles 12-May-16 00:41
Re: Vessel manufacture 478 Thanos5150 12-May-16 01:13
Re: Vessel manufacture 490 Corpuscles 12-May-16 02:32
Re: Vessel manufacture 639 Thanos5150 12-May-16 06:10
Re: Vessel manufacture 530 Audrey 12-May-16 01:22
Re: Vessel manufacture 473 Thanos5150 12-May-16 01:52
Re: Vessel manufacture 440 Origyptian 12-May-16 02:26
Re: Vessel manufacture 367 Thanos5150 12-May-16 02:52
Re: Vessel manufacture 446 Martin Stower 12-May-16 21:22
Re: Vessel manufacture 454 Jon Ellison 12-May-16 02:01
Re: Vessel manufacture 392 Origyptian 12-May-16 02:20
Re: Vessel manufacture 442 Martin Stower 13-May-16 00:25
Re: Vessel manufacture 586 Martin Stower 12-May-16 13:23
Re: Vessel manufacture 482 Harte 12-May-16 22:15
Re: Vessel manufacture 429 Martin Stower 12-May-16 23:38
Re: Vessel manufacture 428 Thanos5150 13-May-16 00:28
Re: Vessel manufacture 423 Audrey 11-May-16 20:07
Re: Vessel manufacture 601 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:35
Re: Vessel manufacture 369 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:19
Re: Vessel manufacture 435 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 20:26
Re: Vessel manufacture 461 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:39
Re: Vessel manufacture 466 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 20:42
Re: Vessel manufacture 404 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:48
Re: Vessel manufacture 581 Corpuscles 11-May-16 23:52
Re: Vessel manufacture 564 Thanos5150 12-May-16 05:39
Re: Vessel manufacture 413 Corpuscles 12-May-16 08:12
Re: Vessel manufacture 426 DScribr 12-May-16 03:08
Re: Vessel manufacture 615 Audrey 11-May-16 19:55
Re: Vessel manufacture 483 Thanos5150 11-May-16 20:07
Re: Vessel manufacture 583 Origyptian 11-May-16 19:58
Re: Vessel manufacture 388 Corpuscles 11-May-16 23:25
Re: Vessel manufacture 436 Thanos5150 12-May-16 01:06
Re: Vessel manufacture 502 Audrey 12-May-16 01:47
Re: Vessel manufacture 410 Thanos5150 12-May-16 02:18
Re: Vessel manufacture 433 Martin Stower 13-May-16 00:03
Re: Vessel manufacture 508 Origyptian 12-May-16 02:34
Re: Vessel manufacture 451 Corpuscles 12-May-16 03:12
Re: Vessel manufacture 454 Thanos5150 12-May-16 04:05
Re: Vessel manufacture 431 Origyptian 12-May-16 04:23
Re: Vessel manufacture 491 Corpuscles 12-May-16 04:31
Re: Vessel manufacture 440 Audrey 12-May-16 06:44
Re: Vessel manufacture 396 Origyptian 12-May-16 04:16
Re: Vessel manufacture 525 Corpuscles 12-May-16 04:52
Re: Vessel manufacture 459 Origyptian 12-May-16 13:35
Re: Vessel manufacture 446 Martin Stower 12-May-16 21:49
Re: Vessel manufacture 449 Origyptian 12-May-16 22:07
Re: Vessel manufacture 447 Martin Stower 12-May-16 23:15
Re: Vessel manufacture 551 Origyptian 13-May-16 03:46
Re: Vessel manufacture 437 Martin Stower 13-May-16 18:31
Re: Vessel manufacture 367 DScribr 12-May-16 02:58
Re: Creighton persists 440 Martin Stower 12-May-16 11:42
Re: Creighton persists 421 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 11:00
Re: Creighton persists 445 Audrey 11-May-16 15:55
Re: Creighton persists 481 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 16:39
Re: Creighton persists 489 Audrey 09-May-16 01:44
Re: Creighton persists 540 Merrell 08-May-16 20:16
Re: Creighton persists 518 Audrey 08-May-16 20:36
Re: Creighton persists 544 Merrell 08-May-16 21:07
Re: Creighton persists 424 Audrey 08-May-16 21:10
Re: Creighton persists 523 Merrell 08-May-16 21:38
Re: Creighton persists 484 Audrey 08-May-16 21:59
Re: Creighton persists 455 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 21:27
Re: Creighton persists 488 Audrey 08-May-16 21:34
Re: Creighton persists 377 Origyptian 09-May-16 03:07
Re: Creighton persists 512 Audrey 09-May-16 03:18
Re: Creighton persists 448 Origyptian 09-May-16 04:06
Re: Creighton persists 497 Audrey 09-May-16 05:07
Re: Creighton persists 509 Origyptian 09-May-16 13:06
Re: Creighton persists 503 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 12:00
Re: Creighton persists 391 Origyptian 09-May-16 13:17
Re: Creighton persists 473 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 13:29
Re: Creighton persists 446 DScribr 09-May-16 13:30
Re: Creighton persists 470 Origyptian 09-May-16 02:09
Re: Creighton persists 470 Origyptian 09-May-16 01:49
Re: Creighton persists 541 Origyptian 08-May-16 02:13
Re: Creighton persists 292 Origyptian 08-May-16 02:07
Re: Drill baby drill.... 559 Thunderbird 08-May-16 02:41
Re: Drill baby drill.... 719 Origyptian 08-May-16 03:23
Re: Drill baby drill.... 585 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 11:38
We've been thru this 100 times. 438 DScribr 09-May-16 00:41
Re: We've been thru this 100 times. 496 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 01:00
Re: Drill baby drill.... 727 Harte 08-May-16 19:35
Re: Drill baby drill.... 507 DScribr 09-May-16 00:45
Re: Drill baby drill.... 523 Origyptian 09-May-16 02:14
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 569 Thunderbird 08-May-16 19:41
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 536 Audrey 08-May-16 20:49
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 457 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 20:55
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 396 Audrey 08-May-16 21:09
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 411 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 21:14
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 494 Audrey 08-May-16 21:22
Too much interpretation 451 DScribr 09-May-16 00:36
Re: Too much interpretation 419 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 00:41
Refusal Persists 435 DScribr 09-May-16 00:21
Re: Creighton persists 421 Audrey 07-May-16 02:02
Re: Creighton persists 520 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 02:55
Re: Creighton persists 431 Audrey 07-May-16 04:14
Re: Creighton persists 492 Origyptian 06-May-16 18:21
Re: Creighton persists 422 Audrey 06-May-16 19:03
Re: Creighton persists 577 Martin Stower 07-May-16 01:00
Re: Creighton persists 478 Origyptian 06-May-16 20:12
Logic rarely persists here. 550 DScribr 08-May-16 20:40
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 499 Corpuscles 08-May-16 21:51
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 512 Origyptian 09-May-16 03:20
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 427 Harte 09-May-16 21:18
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 497 DScribr 10-May-16 02:23
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 641 Corpuscles 10-May-16 03:11
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 521 DScribr 10-May-16 03:38
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 539 Corpuscles 10-May-16 03:54
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 474 DScribr 10-May-16 13:42
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 509 Harte 10-May-16 10:03
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 475 Jon Ellison 10-May-16 10:06
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 411 Origyptian 10-May-16 11:28