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Hi Thanos

Thanking you and acknowledging your interesting posts!

Thanos5150 Wrote:
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>
> This device is depicted in other reliefs which are
> more clear all associated with vessel making:
> [url=http://www.almendron.com/artehistoria/arte/cu
> lturas/egyptian-art-in-age-of-the-pyramids/stone-v
> essels-luxury-items-with-manifold-implications/]Fi
> g. 73. The making of stone vessels as depicted in
> an Old Kingdom relief from an unknown tomb at
> Saqqara. Egyptian Museum, Cairo JE 39866. Drawing
> by Peter Der Manuelian after Maspero 1915b, pp.
> 25-27, pl. 22[/url]

There is nothing in that relief that indicates it is related to vessel making.
However I concede that some form of it might, and likely was, used for vessel making.

Also an "unknown tomb" does not date it to "Old Kingdom".
>
> >
> >
> Which to note the obvious, its not like all the
> stone vessels are found in the OK and before-they
> never stopped making them which are a dime a dozen
> in later times. What is interesting, however, is
> that the quality [b]was certainly never better than
> it was at the beginnings of Dynastic times which,
> along with its relatively sudden appearance in the
> archeological record, is really the issue[/b].

[b]Agreed[/b]

>
> >
> So the mystery is not "if" the AE made stone
> vessels, which is incredibly stupid to say
> otherwise, it is why does this quality appear
> suddenly in Archaic Dynastic times (Dynasty 00/0),
> hand in hand with monumental noble tombs and boat
> burials among other curiosities, so fully
> developed and of a quality that is unsurpassed in
> later times (no, this is not an invitation to make
> a vapid comment about an antediluvian lost
> civilization). Most telling, to me anyways, is
> that this also all begins with the appearance of
> this:
> [img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/common
> s/thumb/f/f3/Egypte_louvre_290.jpg/344px-Egypte_lo
> uvre_290.jpg[/img]
> And it is here that Dynastic Egypt begins.

I clearly recognise that you ARE NOT calling me or anyone else stupid!

I agree, however it would be stupid, to deny that the people known as dynastic Ancient Eygptians made any stone vessels. (ie Suggest they made NONE at all)

It is clear that it is commonly accepted that "it is here that Dynastic Egypt begins". However the issue is there is NO substantial evidence [i]to explain[/i] what came before this period which can [i]help explain[/i] how such people suddenly developed the advanced technology and 'know how' to carve hard stone into beautiful shapes! If in fact the dynastic folk did it?

Therefore there is considerable knowledge MISSING but a a number of, difficult to totally destroy, artefacts are extant!

Cheers

(Your next post to me (the modern replica factory) is more interesting . Thanks , reply will follow)

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Re: Creighton persists 446 Audrey 11-May-16 15:55
Re: Creighton persists 483 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 16:39
Re: Creighton persists 492 Audrey 09-May-16 01:44
Re: Creighton persists 542 Merrell 08-May-16 20:16
Re: Creighton persists 520 Audrey 08-May-16 20:36
Re: Creighton persists 547 Merrell 08-May-16 21:07
Re: Creighton persists 427 Audrey 08-May-16 21:10
Re: Creighton persists 525 Merrell 08-May-16 21:38
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Re: Creighton persists 379 Origyptian 09-May-16 03:07
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Re: Creighton persists 499 Audrey 09-May-16 05:07
Re: Creighton persists 510 Origyptian 09-May-16 13:06
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Re: Creighton persists 395 Origyptian 09-May-16 13:17
Re: Creighton persists 474 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 13:29
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Re: Creighton persists 472 Origyptian 09-May-16 02:09
Re: Creighton persists 472 Origyptian 09-May-16 01:49
Re: Creighton persists 545 Origyptian 08-May-16 02:13
Re: Creighton persists 294 Origyptian 08-May-16 02:07
Re: Drill baby drill.... 563 Thunderbird 08-May-16 02:41
Re: Drill baby drill.... 720 Origyptian 08-May-16 03:23
Re: Drill baby drill.... 586 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 11:38
We've been thru this 100 times. 441 DScribr 09-May-16 00:41
Re: We've been thru this 100 times. 503 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 01:00
Re: Drill baby drill.... 728 Harte 08-May-16 19:35
Re: Drill baby drill.... 511 DScribr 09-May-16 00:45
Re: Drill baby drill.... 524 Origyptian 09-May-16 02:14
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 571 Thunderbird 08-May-16 19:41
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 538 Audrey 08-May-16 20:49
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 462 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 20:55
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 397 Audrey 08-May-16 21:09
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 413 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 21:14
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 497 Audrey 08-May-16 21:22
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