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Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> Thunderbird Wrote:
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> > Hi Jon
> >
> > To resolve some creations for their shape and
> > hardness...such as these diorite vases
> > And such.
>
> According to Petrie:
>
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...the lathe appears to have been as
> familiar an instrument in the fourth dynasty, as
> it is in the modern workshops.
The diorite
> bowls and vases of the Old Kingdom are frequently
> met with, and show great technical skill. One
> piece found at Gizeh, No 14, shows that the
> method employed was true turning, and not any
> process of grinding
, since the bowl has been
> knocked off of its centring, recentred
> imperfectly, and the old turning not quite turned
> out; thus there are two surfaces belonging to
> different centrings, and meeting in a cusp. Such
> an appearance could not be produced by any
> grinding or rubbing process which pressed on the
> surface. Another detail is shown by fragment No
> 15; here the curves of the bowl are spherical,
> and must have therefore been cut by a tool
> sweeping an arc from a fixed centre while the bowl
> rotated.
This centre or hinging of the tool
> was in the axis of the lathe for the general
> surface of the bowl, right up to the edge of it;
> but as a lip was wanted, the centring of the tool
> was shifted, but with exactly the same radius of
> its arc, and a fresh cut made to leave a lip to
> the bowl. That this was certainly not a chance
> result of hand-work is shown, not only by the
> exact circularity of the curves, and their
> equality, but also by the cusp left where they
> meet. This has not been at all rounded off, as
> would certainly be the case in hand-work, and
> it is clear proof of the rigidly mechanical
> method of striking the curves
.
>
> Of AE stoneworking in general:
>
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That the blades of the saw were of
> bronze, we know from the green staining on the
> sides of the saw cuts, and on grains of sand left
> in a saw cut.

> The forms of the tools were straight saws,
> circular saws, tubular drills, and
> lathes.
>
> I have seen early Dynastic AE stoneware in museums
> that to the naked eye some are indistinguishable
> in quality from modern machining. There was one
> piece in particular I recall I must have stared at
> from every angle I could for minutes. It was
> mesmerizingly perfect, almost hard to believe it
> was ancient.


I agree with nearly everything Petrie says, with the exception of his reference to the the 4th dynasty. He didn't have access to a century of archaeology which has systematically built up a picture of that bronze age culture.
So yes it would have "Appeared" to him a century ago, that the 4th AE were as "familiar with lathes and turning techniques that would not be out of place in a modern workshop". He was a man of science and technology, He documented his direct observations, I often wonder what his undocumented thoughts were. There's a man who knew exactly what he was looking at.

It is possible to work with high precision by hand, I was trained as a lad, to do so myself, to within tolerances 0.0005 of an inch.
In order to do so I needed industrially manufactured tools, a fine file is a precision instrument.
I needed precision measuring equipment and also the means to observe those dimensions with the naked eye.
A human hair is approx 0.002 of an inch thick, which is four times more than the tolerance I was expected to work at.
I had 200 years of industrial age engineering development, tools and techniques supporting me.
If you take a Swiss watchmakers tools away he's just a man, a writer cannot write without a pen.

In terms of artifacts there are a few, a small percentage that defy explanation, say less than 5%
There are some structures, again a small percentage in terms of individual structures, but not in gross tonnage, that also defy rational explanation.
There are components incorporated into what are obviously dynastic structures that also defy explanation.

The homogeneous stone vessels belong to that group.
I'm of the understanding that the majority were found in a dynastic royal tomb cache. They were obviously a nobleman's valued and prized possessions.

Our understanding of how these artifacts were or could have been manufactured is very limited, a mystery even. That's exactly why Petrie took the trouble to make note of it in a very diplomatic manner, and also why Stocks attempted to answer the questions.
I admire Stocks' attempts but not his conclusions.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10-May-16 20:40 by Jon Ellison.

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Creighton persists 3712 Martin Stower 30-Apr-16 23:26
Some may also be wondering . . . 668 Martin Stower 30-Apr-16 23:37
Re: Creighton persists 810 Frank D 30-Apr-16 23:41
On a natural reading . . . 775 Martin Stower 01-May-16 00:44
Re: On a natural reading . . . 588 Hanslune 01-May-16 05:25
Re: On a natural reading . . . 676 Martin Stower 01-May-16 13:53
Re: On a natural reading . . . 585 Hanslune 01-May-16 14:42
And who will guard the Guards? 600 LonelyAngel 09-May-16 09:08
Re: And who will guard the Guards? 628 Origyptian 09-May-16 12:47
Re: And who will guard the Guards? 620 DScribr 09-May-16 13:21
Re: And who will guard the Guards? 734 LonelyAngel 09-May-16 13:48
Re: And who will read his book? 546 DScribr 10-May-16 02:05
Re: And who will guard the Guards? 588 Martin Stower 16-May-16 23:01
Re: And who will guard the Guards? 626 Martin Stower 09-May-16 19:00
Re: And who will guard the Guards? 520 Corpuscles 09-May-16 20:07
Re: And who will accept the facts? 585 DScribr 10-May-16 02:21
Re: And who will accept the facts? 570 Corpuscles 10-May-16 03:01
Re: And who will accept the facts? 517 DScribr 10-May-16 03:30
Re: And who will accept the facts? 522 Corpuscles 10-May-16 03:47
Re: And who will accept the facts? 454 DScribr 10-May-16 13:32
Re: And who will accept the facts? 426 Harte 10-May-16 20:53
Re: And who will accept the facts? 545 Origyptian 10-May-16 21:14
Change Of Tune!?! 586 DScribr 11-May-16 01:54
The certainty of contamination 559 DScribr 11-May-16 01:44
Re: And who will accept the facts? 535 Frank D 11-May-16 23:40
Re: And who will accept the facts? 501 DScribr 12-May-16 02:52
Re: And who will guard the Henhouse??? 539 DScribr 10-May-16 02:11
Re: And who will guard the Henhouse??? 578 LonelyAngel 10-May-16 12:40
Re: And who will guard the Henhouse??? 530 Origyptian 10-May-16 13:16
Re: And who will guard the Henhouse??? 543 DScribr 10-May-16 13:35
Re: On reading about 'proof' 493 DScribr 07-May-16 15:56
Re: On reading about 'proof' 546 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 16:39
Re: Creighton persists 653 drrayeye 01-May-16 15:10
Re: Creighton persists 671 Martin Stower 01-May-16 16:21
Re: Attack!....Attack! 583 Thunderbird 01-May-16 22:47
Re: Attack!....Attack! 655 Martin Stower 01-May-16 23:19
Re: Attack!....Attack! 652 Hanslune 02-May-16 01:26
Re: Attack!....Attack! 607 Martin Stower 02-May-16 20:25
Re: Attack!....Attack! 672 Hanslune 02-May-16 21:12
Re: Creighton persists 620 cladking 02-May-16 00:22
Re: Creighton persists 647 Martin Stower 02-May-16 01:11
Re: Creighton persists 577 cladking 02-May-16 01:31
Re: Creighton persists 621 Martin Stower 02-May-16 20:03
Re: Creighton persists 592 cladking 03-May-16 00:50
Re: Creighton persists 566 Hanslune 03-May-16 06:00
Re: Creighton persists 541 Merrell 03-May-16 07:34
Re: Creighton persists 706 Origyptian 03-May-16 11:46
Re: Creighton persists 660 Martin Stower 03-May-16 14:01
Re: Creighton persists 689 Origyptian 03-May-16 21:55
Re: Creighton persists 630 Martin Stower 03-May-16 22:54
Re: Creighton persists 658 Origyptian 04-May-16 03:49
Re: Creighton persists 672 Thanos5150 03-May-16 18:26
Re: Creighton persists 591 Origyptian 03-May-16 21:09
Re: Creighton persists 665 Martin Stower 03-May-16 22:56
Re: Creighton persists 625 Origyptian 04-May-16 03:52
Re: Creighton persists 582 Martin Stower 04-May-16 17:54
Re: Creighton persists 567 Origyptian 04-May-16 21:06
Re: Creighton persists 789 Martin Stower 04-May-16 22:28
Re: Creighton persists 592 Harte 06-May-16 10:17
Re: Creighton persists 563 Origyptian 06-May-16 13:04
Re: Creighton persists 505 Martin Stower 06-May-16 15:35
Re: Creighton persists 574 Harte 06-May-16 16:50
Re: Creighton persists 526 Jon Ellison 06-May-16 17:33
Re: Creighton persists 499 Audrey 06-May-16 20:00
Re: Creighton persists 665 Jon Ellison 06-May-16 20:25
Re: Creighton persists 574 Jon Ellison 06-May-16 20:48
Re: Creighton persists 614 Archae Solenhofen 06-May-16 22:30
Re: Creighton persists 518 Jon Ellison 06-May-16 23:37
Re: Creighton persists 542 Martin Stower 07-May-16 00:02
Re: Creighton persists 547 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 00:33
Re: Creighton persists 562 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 01:07
Re: Creighton persists 563 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 01:55
Re: Creighton persists 418 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 02:03
Re: Creighton persists 586 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 05:06
Re: Creighton persists 449 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 10:39
Re: Creighton persists 491 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 16:38
Re: Creighton persists 525 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 17:03
Some "Engineer" 774 DScribr 08-May-16 20:54
Re: Some "Engineer" 515 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 21:00
Re: Some "Engineer" 613 Audrey 08-May-16 21:15
Re: Some "Engineer" 615 DScribr 08-May-16 21:33
Re: Some "Engineer" 577 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 21:44
Re: Creighton persists 555 Audrey 07-May-16 02:09
Re: Creighton persists 536 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 02:16
Re: Creighton persists 550 Luminescence 08-May-16 01:52
Another "Impossibility" 553 DScribr 08-May-16 21:36
Re: Creighton persists 552 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 02:23
Re: Creighton persists 614 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 05:16
my mysterious balls 617 Audrey 07-May-16 06:42
Re: Creighton persists 428 Origyptian 07-May-16 15:51
Re: Creighton persists 489 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 17:12
Re: Creighton persists 440 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 17:23
Re: Creighton persists 559 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 17:53
Re: Creighton persists 499 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 18:40
Re: Creighton persists 526 Audrey 07-May-16 19:30
Re: Creighton persists 495 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 20:11
Re: Creighton persists 504 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 00:06
Re: Creighton persists 563 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 01:23
Re: Creighton persists 499 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 09:48
Re: Creighton persists 441 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 11:34
Re: Creighton persists 472 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 17:32
Re: Creighton persists 473 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 20:07
Re: Creighton persists 483 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 20:24
Re: Creighton persists 456 Origyptian 09-May-16 02:37
Re: Creighton persists 424 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 10:32
Re: Creighton persists 519 Origyptian 09-May-16 12:58
Re: Creighton persists 567 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 13:25
Re: Creighton persists 458 Origyptian 09-May-16 13:30
Re: Creighton persists 485 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 13:33
Re: Creighton persists 476 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 20:44
Re: Creighton persists 453 Origyptian 08-May-16 15:31
Re: Creighton persists 419 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 16:17
Failure to acept the facts persists 503 DScribr 08-May-16 22:11
Re: Failure to acept the facts persists 538 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 22:26
Re: Failure to acept the facts persists 531 DScribr 09-May-16 00:29
Re: Creighton persists 491 Audrey 08-May-16 17:37
Re: Creighton persists 527 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 18:30
Re: Creighton persists 527 Audrey 08-May-16 18:52
Re: Creighton persists 561 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 20:13
Re: Creighton persists 432 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 20:20
Re: Creighton persists 525 Audrey 08-May-16 20:35
Re: Creighton persists 530 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 22:05
Re: Creighton persists 491 Audrey 08-May-16 23:05
Re: Creighton persists 476 Archae Solenhofen 09-May-16 00:11
Re: Creighton persists 516 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 00:35
Re: Creighton persists 441 Corpuscles 09-May-16 01:28
Re: Creighton persists 552 Origyptian 09-May-16 17:15
Re: Creighton persists 505 Corpuscles 09-May-16 19:40
Re: Creighton persists 462 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 20:02
Re: Creighton persists 509 Origyptian 09-May-16 21:25
Re: Creighton persists 611 Martin Stower 09-May-16 22:16
Re: Creighton persists 547 Origyptian 09-May-16 23:06
Re: Creighton persists 560 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 23:33
Re: Creighton persists 511 Martin Stower 09-May-16 23:41
Re: Creighton persists 544 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 23:45
Re: Creighton persists 586 Martin Stower 09-May-16 23:58
Re: Creighton persists 484 Jon Ellison 10-May-16 01:05
Re: Creighton persists 476 Martin Stower 10-May-16 19:32
Re: Creighton persists 503 Origyptian 10-May-16 20:31
Re: Creighton persists 535 Martin Stower 10-May-16 20:45
What Standards? 439 DScribr 10-May-16 02:37
Re: Creighton persists 364 Jon Ellison 10-May-16 14:45
Re: Creighton persists 476 Origyptian 10-May-16 14:53
Re: Creighton persists 543 Jon Ellison 10-May-16 15:00
Re: Creighton persists 555 Audrey 11-May-16 00:53
Re: Creighton persists 559 Martin Stower 11-May-16 01:43
Also . . . 529 Martin Stower 11-May-16 09:19
Re: Creighton persists 441 Origyptian 11-May-16 03:14
Re: Creighton persists 593 Martin Stower 11-May-16 10:17
Re: Creighton persists 557 Corpuscles 11-May-16 10:53
Re: Vessel manufacture 702 Thanos5150 11-May-16 17:24
Re: Vessel manufacture 456 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 18:11
Re: Vessel manufacture 707 Thanos5150 11-May-16 19:30
Re: Vessel manufacture 463 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:02
Re: Vessel manufacture 416 Thanos5150 11-May-16 20:26
Re: Vessel manufacture 481 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 20:36
Re: Vessel manufacture 431 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:58
Re: Vessel manufacture 454 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 21:07
Re: Vessel manufacture 459 Thanos5150 11-May-16 21:18
Re: Vessel manufacture 497 Origyptian 11-May-16 21:35
Re: Vessel manufacture 467 Thanos5150 11-May-16 21:49
Re: Vessel manufacture 396 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 21:58
Re: Vessel manufacture 449 Thanos5150 11-May-16 22:02
Re: Vessel manufacture 491 Origyptian 11-May-16 22:25
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Re: Vessel manufacture 564 Thanos5150 11-May-16 22:15
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Re: Vessel manufacture 469 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 21:41
Re: Vessel manufacture 431 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:41
Re: Vessel manufacture 432 Thanos5150 11-May-16 20:55
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Re: Vessel manufacture 390 Audrey 11-May-16 21:12
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Re: Vessel manufacture 489 Origyptian 11-May-16 21:44
Re: Vessel manufacture 461 Thanos5150 11-May-16 21:58
Re: Vessel manufacture 494 Origyptian 11-May-16 22:23
Re: Vessel manufacture 475 Thanos5150 11-May-16 22:41
Re: Vessel manufacture 467 Audrey 11-May-16 21:56
Re: Vessel manufacture 426 Thanos5150 11-May-16 22:08
Re: Vessel manufacture 414 Thanos5150 11-May-16 21:35
Re: Vessel manufacture 428 Audrey 11-May-16 22:40
Re: Vessel manufacture 419 Thanos5150 11-May-16 22:44
Re: Vessel manufacture 448 Audrey 11-May-16 23:13
Re: Vessel manufacture 445 Thanos5150 12-May-16 00:26
Re: Vessel manufacture 407 Corpuscles 12-May-16 00:41
Re: Vessel manufacture 478 Thanos5150 12-May-16 01:13
Re: Vessel manufacture 490 Corpuscles 12-May-16 02:32
Re: Vessel manufacture 639 Thanos5150 12-May-16 06:10
Re: Vessel manufacture 531 Audrey 12-May-16 01:22
Re: Vessel manufacture 473 Thanos5150 12-May-16 01:52
Re: Vessel manufacture 440 Origyptian 12-May-16 02:26
Re: Vessel manufacture 367 Thanos5150 12-May-16 02:52
Re: Vessel manufacture 446 Martin Stower 12-May-16 21:22
Re: Vessel manufacture 455 Jon Ellison 12-May-16 02:01
Re: Vessel manufacture 393 Origyptian 12-May-16 02:20
Re: Vessel manufacture 442 Martin Stower 13-May-16 00:25
Re: Vessel manufacture 586 Martin Stower 12-May-16 13:23
Re: Vessel manufacture 482 Harte 12-May-16 22:15
Re: Vessel manufacture 430 Martin Stower 12-May-16 23:38
Re: Vessel manufacture 428 Thanos5150 13-May-16 00:28
Re: Vessel manufacture 423 Audrey 11-May-16 20:07
Re: Vessel manufacture 607 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:35
Re: Vessel manufacture 369 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:19
Re: Vessel manufacture 436 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 20:26
Re: Vessel manufacture 462 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:39
Re: Vessel manufacture 467 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 20:42
Re: Vessel manufacture 405 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:48
Re: Vessel manufacture 581 Corpuscles 11-May-16 23:52
Re: Vessel manufacture 564 Thanos5150 12-May-16 05:39
Re: Vessel manufacture 414 Corpuscles 12-May-16 08:12
Re: Vessel manufacture 426 DScribr 12-May-16 03:08
Re: Vessel manufacture 615 Audrey 11-May-16 19:55
Re: Vessel manufacture 484 Thanos5150 11-May-16 20:07
Re: Vessel manufacture 586 Origyptian 11-May-16 19:58
Re: Vessel manufacture 388 Corpuscles 11-May-16 23:25
Re: Vessel manufacture 437 Thanos5150 12-May-16 01:06
Re: Vessel manufacture 502 Audrey 12-May-16 01:47
Re: Vessel manufacture 412 Thanos5150 12-May-16 02:18
Re: Vessel manufacture 434 Martin Stower 13-May-16 00:03
Re: Vessel manufacture 508 Origyptian 12-May-16 02:34
Re: Vessel manufacture 451 Corpuscles 12-May-16 03:12
Re: Vessel manufacture 456 Thanos5150 12-May-16 04:05
Re: Vessel manufacture 433 Origyptian 12-May-16 04:23
Re: Vessel manufacture 492 Corpuscles 12-May-16 04:31
Re: Vessel manufacture 440 Audrey 12-May-16 06:44
Re: Vessel manufacture 399 Origyptian 12-May-16 04:16
Re: Vessel manufacture 526 Corpuscles 12-May-16 04:52
Re: Vessel manufacture 459 Origyptian 12-May-16 13:35
Re: Vessel manufacture 446 Martin Stower 12-May-16 21:49
Re: Vessel manufacture 449 Origyptian 12-May-16 22:07
Re: Vessel manufacture 448 Martin Stower 12-May-16 23:15
Re: Vessel manufacture 552 Origyptian 13-May-16 03:46
Re: Vessel manufacture 439 Martin Stower 13-May-16 18:31
Re: Vessel manufacture 367 DScribr 12-May-16 02:58
Re: Creighton persists 440 Martin Stower 12-May-16 11:42
Re: Creighton persists 423 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 11:00
Re: Creighton persists 446 Audrey 11-May-16 15:55
Re: Creighton persists 481 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 16:39
Re: Creighton persists 490 Audrey 09-May-16 01:44
Re: Creighton persists 541 Merrell 08-May-16 20:16
Re: Creighton persists 519 Audrey 08-May-16 20:36
Re: Creighton persists 546 Merrell 08-May-16 21:07
Re: Creighton persists 426 Audrey 08-May-16 21:10
Re: Creighton persists 525 Merrell 08-May-16 21:38
Re: Creighton persists 485 Audrey 08-May-16 21:59
Re: Creighton persists 456 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 21:27
Re: Creighton persists 489 Audrey 08-May-16 21:34
Re: Creighton persists 379 Origyptian 09-May-16 03:07
Re: Creighton persists 514 Audrey 09-May-16 03:18
Re: Creighton persists 449 Origyptian 09-May-16 04:06
Re: Creighton persists 499 Audrey 09-May-16 05:07
Re: Creighton persists 510 Origyptian 09-May-16 13:06
Re: Creighton persists 504 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 12:00
Re: Creighton persists 393 Origyptian 09-May-16 13:17
Re: Creighton persists 474 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 13:29
Re: Creighton persists 447 DScribr 09-May-16 13:30
Re: Creighton persists 472 Origyptian 09-May-16 02:09
Re: Creighton persists 471 Origyptian 09-May-16 01:49
Re: Creighton persists 542 Origyptian 08-May-16 02:13
Re: Creighton persists 293 Origyptian 08-May-16 02:07
Re: Drill baby drill.... 561 Thunderbird 08-May-16 02:41
Re: Drill baby drill.... 720 Origyptian 08-May-16 03:23
Re: Drill baby drill.... 586 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 11:38
We've been thru this 100 times. 440 DScribr 09-May-16 00:41
Re: We've been thru this 100 times. 499 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 01:00
Re: Drill baby drill.... 727 Harte 08-May-16 19:35
Re: Drill baby drill.... 511 DScribr 09-May-16 00:45
Re: Drill baby drill.... 524 Origyptian 09-May-16 02:14
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 570 Thunderbird 08-May-16 19:41
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 537 Audrey 08-May-16 20:49
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 460 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 20:55
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 397 Audrey 08-May-16 21:09
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 412 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 21:14
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 497 Audrey 08-May-16 21:22
Too much interpretation 452 DScribr 09-May-16 00:36
Re: Too much interpretation 421 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 00:41
Refusal Persists 436 DScribr 09-May-16 00:21
Re: Creighton persists 423 Audrey 07-May-16 02:02
Re: Creighton persists 523 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 02:55
Re: Creighton persists 433 Audrey 07-May-16 04:14
Re: Creighton persists 493 Origyptian 06-May-16 18:21
Re: Creighton persists 423 Audrey 06-May-16 19:03
Re: Creighton persists 578 Martin Stower 07-May-16 01:00
Re: Creighton persists 479 Origyptian 06-May-16 20:12
Logic rarely persists here. 552 DScribr 08-May-16 20:40
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 500 Corpuscles 08-May-16 21:51
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 514 Origyptian 09-May-16 03:20
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 427 Harte 09-May-16 21:18
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 498 DScribr 10-May-16 02:23
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 642 Corpuscles 10-May-16 03:11
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 522 DScribr 10-May-16 03:38
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 540 Corpuscles 10-May-16 03:54
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 476 DScribr 10-May-16 13:42
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 509 Harte 10-May-16 10:03
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 476 Jon Ellison 10-May-16 10:06
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 412 Origyptian 10-May-16 11:28