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Archae Solenhofen Wrote:
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> >Possibly because it's the only one that has been
> cut
> >in half and Stocks uses it for internal
> illustration
>
> How about he was a student at the UofM and
> completed a Thesis there in 1988 on the subject?
>
> >You should have no problem in explaining these.
>
> Ya that low-res jug image from 20 years ago...
> unfortunately it's travertine again (could be a
> limestone breccia from the close-up I've just seen
> though but in this case that's also travertine
> too....).

Again you are referring to materials.
Again that is not the issue.
The issue is one of technique and tooling.
In this case materials and relative hardness are a non issue.
I understand you wanting to stay within your comfort zone, but it is not answering my questions.


So can you enlighten us first as to why
> a granite vessel (about 20 cm in diameter, one of
> the larger ones known in this class)


Granite? That's interesting, with an overall diameter of 20cm. Can you estimate the neck diameter?


> smaller andesite porphyry vessel are too difficult
> for the AEs to carve other than it takes longer
> than travertine grinding?

It that a question or a statement?


In both cases the
> feldspar phenocrysts (just like the large calcite
> crystals in the travertine examples you keep
> presenting) have been sectioned by grinding and
> polishing...........

You seem to know how this form was manufactured.
In that case can you please explain how the undercut was achieved, especially in the granite example.
Is it possible using the Stocks stick and stone method?
If so how exactly?
Regardless of relative materials hardness.
Could you please provide stage by stage drawings which I'm sure you are fully capable of.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08-May-16 11:42 by Jon Ellison.

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Creighton persists 3966 Martin Stower 30-Apr-16 23:26
Some may also be wondering . . . 715 Martin Stower 30-Apr-16 23:37
Re: Creighton persists 867 Frank D 30-Apr-16 23:41
On a natural reading . . . 871 Martin Stower 01-May-16 00:44
Re: On a natural reading . . . 636 Hanslune 01-May-16 05:25
Re: On a natural reading . . . 727 Martin Stower 01-May-16 13:53
Re: On a natural reading . . . 638 Hanslune 01-May-16 14:42
And who will guard the Guards? 645 LonelyAngel 09-May-16 09:08
Re: And who will guard the Guards? 865 Origyptian 09-May-16 12:47
Re: And who will guard the Guards? 664 DScribr 09-May-16 13:21
Re: And who will guard the Guards? 780 LonelyAngel 09-May-16 13:48
Re: And who will read his book? 597 DScribr 10-May-16 02:05
Re: And who will guard the Guards? 630 Martin Stower 16-May-16 23:01
Re: And who will guard the Guards? 675 Martin Stower 09-May-16 19:00
Re: And who will guard the Guards? 712 Corpuscles 09-May-16 20:07
Re: And who will accept the facts? 634 DScribr 10-May-16 02:21
Re: And who will accept the facts? 615 Corpuscles 10-May-16 03:01
Re: And who will accept the facts? 564 DScribr 10-May-16 03:30
Re: And who will accept the facts? 582 Corpuscles 10-May-16 03:47
Re: And who will accept the facts? 504 DScribr 10-May-16 13:32
Re: And who will accept the facts? 476 Harte 10-May-16 20:53
Re: And who will accept the facts? 593 Origyptian 10-May-16 21:14
Change Of Tune!?! 732 DScribr 11-May-16 01:54
The certainty of contamination 606 DScribr 11-May-16 01:44
Re: And who will accept the facts? 589 Frank D 11-May-16 23:40
Re: And who will accept the facts? 553 DScribr 12-May-16 02:52
Re: And who will guard the Henhouse??? 586 DScribr 10-May-16 02:11
Re: And who will guard the Henhouse??? 701 LonelyAngel 10-May-16 12:40
Re: And who will guard the Henhouse??? 576 Origyptian 10-May-16 13:16
Re: And who will guard the Henhouse??? 654 DScribr 10-May-16 13:35
Re: On reading about 'proof' 540 DScribr 07-May-16 15:56
Re: On reading about 'proof' 592 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 16:39
Re: Creighton persists 946 drrayeye 01-May-16 15:10
Re: Creighton persists 723 Martin Stower 01-May-16 16:21
Re: Attack!....Attack! 634 Thunderbird 01-May-16 22:47
Re: Attack!....Attack! 725 Martin Stower 01-May-16 23:19
Re: Attack!....Attack! 700 Hanslune 02-May-16 01:26
Re: Attack!....Attack! 719 Martin Stower 02-May-16 20:25
Re: Attack!....Attack! 716 Hanslune 02-May-16 21:12
Re: Creighton persists 770 cladking 02-May-16 00:22
Re: Creighton persists 695 Martin Stower 02-May-16 01:11
Re: Creighton persists 622 cladking 02-May-16 01:31
Re: Creighton persists 667 Martin Stower 02-May-16 20:03
Re: Creighton persists 641 cladking 03-May-16 00:50
Re: Creighton persists 619 Hanslune 03-May-16 06:00
Re: Creighton persists 586 Merrell 03-May-16 07:34
Re: Creighton persists 820 Origyptian 03-May-16 11:46
Re: Creighton persists 729 Martin Stower 03-May-16 14:01
Re: Creighton persists 826 Origyptian 03-May-16 21:55
Re: Creighton persists 703 Martin Stower 03-May-16 22:54
Re: Creighton persists 705 Origyptian 04-May-16 03:49
Re: Creighton persists 714 Thanos5150 03-May-16 18:26
Re: Creighton persists 701 Origyptian 03-May-16 21:09
Re: Creighton persists 775 Martin Stower 03-May-16 22:56
Re: Creighton persists 672 Origyptian 04-May-16 03:52
Re: Creighton persists 633 Martin Stower 04-May-16 17:54
Re: Creighton persists 621 Origyptian 04-May-16 21:06
Re: Creighton persists 979 Martin Stower 04-May-16 22:28
Re: Creighton persists 647 Harte 06-May-16 10:17
Re: Creighton persists 607 Origyptian 06-May-16 13:04
Re: Creighton persists 560 Martin Stower 06-May-16 15:35
Re: Creighton persists 622 Harte 06-May-16 16:50
Re: Creighton persists 606 Jon Ellison 06-May-16 17:33
Re: Creighton persists 542 Audrey 06-May-16 20:00
Re: Creighton persists 909 Jon Ellison 06-May-16 20:25
Re: Creighton persists 622 Jon Ellison 06-May-16 20:48
Re: Creighton persists 665 Archae Solenhofen 06-May-16 22:30
Re: Creighton persists 566 Jon Ellison 06-May-16 23:37
Re: Creighton persists 600 Martin Stower 07-May-16 00:02
Re: Creighton persists 597 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 00:33
Re: Creighton persists 726 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 01:07
Re: Creighton persists 610 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 01:55
Re: Creighton persists 468 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 02:03
Re: Creighton persists 810 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 05:06
Re: Creighton persists 501 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 10:39
Re: Creighton persists 541 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 16:38
Re: Creighton persists 575 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 17:03
Some "Engineer" 952 DScribr 08-May-16 20:54
Re: Some "Engineer" 570 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 21:00
Re: Some "Engineer" 663 Audrey 08-May-16 21:15
Re: Some "Engineer" 658 DScribr 08-May-16 21:33
Re: Some "Engineer" 627 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 21:44
Re: Creighton persists 671 Audrey 07-May-16 02:09
Re: Creighton persists 582 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 02:16
Re: Creighton persists 599 Luminescence 08-May-16 01:52
Another "Impossibility" 597 DScribr 08-May-16 21:36
Re: Creighton persists 598 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 02:23
Re: Creighton persists 728 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 05:16
my mysterious balls 667 Audrey 07-May-16 06:42
Re: Creighton persists 533 Origyptian 07-May-16 15:51
Re: Creighton persists 552 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 17:12
Re: Creighton persists 486 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 17:23
Re: Creighton persists 611 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 17:53
Re: Creighton persists 545 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 18:40
Re: Creighton persists 576 Audrey 07-May-16 19:30
Re: Creighton persists 543 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 20:11
Re: Creighton persists 563 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 00:06
Re: Creighton persists 613 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 01:23
Re: Creighton persists 545 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 09:48
Re: Creighton persists 483 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 11:34
Re: Creighton persists 524 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 17:32
Re: Creighton persists 526 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 20:07
Re: Creighton persists 625 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 20:24
Re: Creighton persists 511 Origyptian 09-May-16 02:37
Re: Creighton persists 464 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 10:32
Re: Creighton persists 565 Origyptian 09-May-16 12:58
Re: Creighton persists 613 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 13:25
Re: Creighton persists 497 Origyptian 09-May-16 13:30
Re: Creighton persists 527 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 13:33
Re: Creighton persists 523 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 20:44
Re: Creighton persists 586 Origyptian 08-May-16 15:31
Re: Creighton persists 468 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 16:17
Failure to acept the facts persists 558 DScribr 08-May-16 22:11
Re: Failure to acept the facts persists 637 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 22:26
Re: Failure to acept the facts persists 575 DScribr 09-May-16 00:29
Re: Creighton persists 537 Audrey 08-May-16 17:37
Re: Creighton persists 613 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 18:30
Re: Creighton persists 570 Audrey 08-May-16 18:52
Re: Creighton persists 641 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 20:13
Re: Creighton persists 558 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 20:20
Re: Creighton persists 569 Audrey 08-May-16 20:35
Re: Creighton persists 592 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 22:05
Re: Creighton persists 534 Audrey 08-May-16 23:05
Re: Creighton persists 533 Archae Solenhofen 09-May-16 00:11
Re: Creighton persists 613 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 00:35
Re: Creighton persists 499 Corpuscles 09-May-16 01:28
Re: Creighton persists 603 Origyptian 09-May-16 17:15
Re: Creighton persists 549 Corpuscles 09-May-16 19:40
Re: Creighton persists 504 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 20:02
Re: Creighton persists 562 Origyptian 09-May-16 21:25
Re: Creighton persists 650 Martin Stower 09-May-16 22:16
Re: Creighton persists 591 Origyptian 09-May-16 23:06
Re: Creighton persists 605 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 23:33
Re: Creighton persists 557 Martin Stower 09-May-16 23:41
Re: Creighton persists 602 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 23:45
Re: Creighton persists 626 Martin Stower 09-May-16 23:58
Re: Creighton persists 527 Jon Ellison 10-May-16 01:05
Re: Creighton persists 561 Martin Stower 10-May-16 19:32
Re: Creighton persists 613 Origyptian 10-May-16 20:31
Re: Creighton persists 579 Martin Stower 10-May-16 20:45
What Standards? 482 DScribr 10-May-16 02:37
Re: Creighton persists 491 Jon Ellison 10-May-16 14:45
Re: Creighton persists 514 Origyptian 10-May-16 14:53
Re: Creighton persists 585 Jon Ellison 10-May-16 15:00
Re: Creighton persists 601 Audrey 11-May-16 00:53
Re: Creighton persists 643 Martin Stower 11-May-16 01:43
Also . . . 572 Martin Stower 11-May-16 09:19
Re: Creighton persists 624 Origyptian 11-May-16 03:14
Re: Creighton persists 793 Martin Stower 11-May-16 10:17
Re: Creighton persists 675 Corpuscles 11-May-16 10:53
Re: Vessel manufacture 756 Thanos5150 11-May-16 17:24
Re: Vessel manufacture 498 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 18:11
Re: Vessel manufacture 753 Thanos5150 11-May-16 19:30
Re: Vessel manufacture 505 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:02
Re: Vessel manufacture 465 Thanos5150 11-May-16 20:26
Re: Vessel manufacture 519 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 20:36
Re: Vessel manufacture 566 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:58
Re: Vessel manufacture 501 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 21:07
Re: Vessel manufacture 498 Thanos5150 11-May-16 21:18
Re: Vessel manufacture 540 Origyptian 11-May-16 21:35
Re: Vessel manufacture 510 Thanos5150 11-May-16 21:49
Re: Vessel manufacture 439 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 21:58
Re: Vessel manufacture 497 Thanos5150 11-May-16 22:02
Re: Vessel manufacture 571 Origyptian 11-May-16 22:25
Re: Vessel manufacture 456 Origyptian 11-May-16 22:19
Re: Vessel manufacture 483 Origyptian 11-May-16 22:03
Re: Vessel manufacture 603 Thanos5150 11-May-16 22:15
Re: Vessel manufacture 520 Origyptian 11-May-16 22:26
Re: Vessel manufacture 507 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 21:41
Re: Vessel manufacture 472 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:41
Re: Vessel manufacture 474 Thanos5150 11-May-16 20:55
Re: Vessel manufacture 489 Origyptian 11-May-16 21:07
Re: Vessel manufacture 433 Audrey 11-May-16 21:12
Re: Vessel manufacture 482 Thanos5150 11-May-16 21:20
Re: Vessel manufacture 530 Origyptian 11-May-16 21:44
Re: Vessel manufacture 501 Thanos5150 11-May-16 21:58
Re: Vessel manufacture 530 Origyptian 11-May-16 22:23
Re: Vessel manufacture 515 Thanos5150 11-May-16 22:41
Re: Vessel manufacture 606 Audrey 11-May-16 21:56
Re: Vessel manufacture 465 Thanos5150 11-May-16 22:08
Re: Vessel manufacture 452 Thanos5150 11-May-16 21:35
Re: Vessel manufacture 468 Audrey 11-May-16 22:40
Re: Vessel manufacture 459 Thanos5150 11-May-16 22:44
Re: Vessel manufacture 491 Audrey 11-May-16 23:13
Re: Vessel manufacture 487 Thanos5150 12-May-16 00:26
Re: Vessel manufacture 446 Corpuscles 12-May-16 00:41
Re: Vessel manufacture 523 Thanos5150 12-May-16 01:13
Re: Vessel manufacture 532 Corpuscles 12-May-16 02:32
Re: Vessel manufacture 747 Thanos5150 12-May-16 06:10
Re: Vessel manufacture 570 Audrey 12-May-16 01:22
Re: Vessel manufacture 510 Thanos5150 12-May-16 01:52
Re: Vessel manufacture 481 Origyptian 12-May-16 02:26
Re: Vessel manufacture 408 Thanos5150 12-May-16 02:52
Re: Vessel manufacture 489 Martin Stower 12-May-16 21:22
Re: Vessel manufacture 495 Jon Ellison 12-May-16 02:01
Re: Vessel manufacture 439 Origyptian 12-May-16 02:20
Re: Vessel manufacture 481 Martin Stower 13-May-16 00:25
Re: Vessel manufacture 626 Martin Stower 12-May-16 13:23
Re: Vessel manufacture 532 Harte 12-May-16 22:15
Re: Vessel manufacture 472 Martin Stower 12-May-16 23:38
Re: Vessel manufacture 469 Thanos5150 13-May-16 00:28
Re: Vessel manufacture 470 Audrey 11-May-16 20:07
Re: Vessel manufacture 749 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:35
Re: Vessel manufacture 411 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:19
Re: Vessel manufacture 476 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 20:26
Re: Vessel manufacture 502 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:39
Re: Vessel manufacture 504 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 20:42
Re: Vessel manufacture 448 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:48
Re: Vessel manufacture 620 Corpuscles 11-May-16 23:52
Re: Vessel manufacture 608 Thanos5150 12-May-16 05:39
Re: Vessel manufacture 457 Corpuscles 12-May-16 08:12
Re: Vessel manufacture 463 DScribr 12-May-16 03:08
Re: Vessel manufacture 714 Audrey 11-May-16 19:55
Re: Vessel manufacture 528 Thanos5150 11-May-16 20:07
Re: Vessel manufacture 627 Origyptian 11-May-16 19:58
Re: Vessel manufacture 426 Corpuscles 11-May-16 23:25
Re: Vessel manufacture 481 Thanos5150 12-May-16 01:06
Re: Vessel manufacture 547 Audrey 12-May-16 01:47
Re: Vessel manufacture 454 Thanos5150 12-May-16 02:18
Re: Vessel manufacture 475 Martin Stower 13-May-16 00:03
Re: Vessel manufacture 549 Origyptian 12-May-16 02:34
Re: Vessel manufacture 491 Corpuscles 12-May-16 03:12
Re: Vessel manufacture 494 Thanos5150 12-May-16 04:05
Re: Vessel manufacture 474 Origyptian 12-May-16 04:23
Re: Vessel manufacture 534 Corpuscles 12-May-16 04:31
Re: Vessel manufacture 479 Audrey 12-May-16 06:44
Re: Vessel manufacture 443 Origyptian 12-May-16 04:16
Re: Vessel manufacture 566 Corpuscles 12-May-16 04:52
Re: Vessel manufacture 500 Origyptian 12-May-16 13:35
Re: Vessel manufacture 487 Martin Stower 12-May-16 21:49
Re: Vessel manufacture 489 Origyptian 12-May-16 22:07
Re: Vessel manufacture 488 Martin Stower 12-May-16 23:15
Re: Vessel manufacture 593 Origyptian 13-May-16 03:46
Re: Vessel manufacture 478 Martin Stower 13-May-16 18:31
Re: Vessel manufacture 405 DScribr 12-May-16 02:58
Re: Creighton persists 483 Martin Stower 12-May-16 11:42
Re: Creighton persists 462 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 11:00
Re: Creighton persists 492 Audrey 11-May-16 15:55
Re: Creighton persists 523 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 16:39
Re: Creighton persists 537 Audrey 09-May-16 01:44
Re: Creighton persists 579 Merrell 08-May-16 20:16
Re: Creighton persists 558 Audrey 08-May-16 20:36
Re: Creighton persists 586 Merrell 08-May-16 21:07
Re: Creighton persists 463 Audrey 08-May-16 21:10
Re: Creighton persists 567 Merrell 08-May-16 21:38
Re: Creighton persists 526 Audrey 08-May-16 21:59
Re: Creighton persists 519 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 21:27
Re: Creighton persists 529 Audrey 08-May-16 21:34
Re: Creighton persists 419 Origyptian 09-May-16 03:07
Re: Creighton persists 555 Audrey 09-May-16 03:18
Re: Creighton persists 493 Origyptian 09-May-16 04:06
Re: Creighton persists 538 Audrey 09-May-16 05:07
Re: Creighton persists 551 Origyptian 09-May-16 13:06
Re: Creighton persists 551 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 12:00
Re: Creighton persists 436 Origyptian 09-May-16 13:17
Re: Creighton persists 511 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 13:29
Re: Creighton persists 487 DScribr 09-May-16 13:30
Re: Creighton persists 512 Origyptian 09-May-16 02:09
Re: Creighton persists 512 Origyptian 09-May-16 01:49
Re: Creighton persists 585 Origyptian 08-May-16 02:13
Re: Creighton persists 332 Origyptian 08-May-16 02:07
Re: Drill baby drill.... 603 Thunderbird 08-May-16 02:41
Re: Drill baby drill.... 764 Origyptian 08-May-16 03:23
Re: Drill baby drill.... 626 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 11:38
We've been thru this 100 times. 482 DScribr 09-May-16 00:41
Re: We've been thru this 100 times. 655 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 01:00
Re: Drill baby drill.... 779 Harte 08-May-16 19:35
Re: Drill baby drill.... 552 DScribr 09-May-16 00:45
Re: Drill baby drill.... 567 Origyptian 09-May-16 02:14
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 614 Thunderbird 08-May-16 19:41
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 590 Audrey 08-May-16 20:49
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 568 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 20:55
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 459 Audrey 08-May-16 21:09
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 453 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 21:14
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 549 Audrey 08-May-16 21:22
Too much interpretation 495 DScribr 09-May-16 00:36
Re: Too much interpretation 462 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 00:41
Refusal Persists 478 DScribr 09-May-16 00:21
Re: Creighton persists 462 Audrey 07-May-16 02:02
Re: Creighton persists 562 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 02:55
Re: Creighton persists 604 Audrey 07-May-16 04:14
Re: Creighton persists 534 Origyptian 06-May-16 18:21
Re: Creighton persists 469 Audrey 06-May-16 19:03
Re: Creighton persists 619 Martin Stower 07-May-16 01:00
Re: Creighton persists 517 Origyptian 06-May-16 20:12
Logic rarely persists here. 598 DScribr 08-May-16 20:40
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 540 Corpuscles 08-May-16 21:51
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 560 Origyptian 09-May-16 03:20
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 545 Harte 09-May-16 21:18
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 540 DScribr 10-May-16 02:23
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 682 Corpuscles 10-May-16 03:11
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 560 DScribr 10-May-16 03:38
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 586 Corpuscles 10-May-16 03:54
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 514 DScribr 10-May-16 13:42
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 594 Harte 10-May-16 10:03
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 515 Jon Ellison 10-May-16 10:06
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 451 Origyptian 10-May-16 11:28
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 530 DScribr 10-May-16 13:44