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>"start from top to bottom"....

>"Enlarge the core hole near the top (by any method you want)

>YOU FORGOT TO MENTION THAT WE CANNOT
>ENLARGE THE NECK.
>HOW DO WE FIT A LARGER TOOL INTO A SMALL
>NECK? THE METHOD OF ENLARGEMENT IS THE ISSUE

Again it's not the borer..... It's the sand abrasive the borer forces around the walls and under that grinds the grooves (the fig-8 borer just touches the walls in two places at the beginning of the grinding process and when the borer is too small after some grinding another longer one is inserted until the desired depth is produced. This process continues down the core hole). If you don't like that I noticed you still have not got a scale with that drawing....... sure you can't stick your hand into it at the top with a pebble of sandstone so that a starter groove can be ground around the top by hand to begin the boring process. Again calcite (what travertine is made all of) is slightly harder than your fingernail............ quartz is about 5 times harder. Let me guess the DeWatt didn't work on limestone either?

I provided a couple of images of MM5341 so it's pretty clear how much "deviating" there is.........

I suggest you read Aston's book on rock materials and forms for stone vessels in Ancient Egypt....... it's pretty clear at this point that it's needed.

Aston, B.G. (1994) Ancient Egyptian stone vessels: materials and forms. Heidelberger Orientverlag, Heidelberg, 196.

Archae Solenhofen (solenhofen@hotmail.com)

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Creighton persists 3885 Martin Stower 30-Apr-16 23:26
Some may also be wondering . . . 701 Martin Stower 30-Apr-16 23:37
Re: Creighton persists 850 Frank D 30-Apr-16 23:41
On a natural reading . . . 860 Martin Stower 01-May-16 00:44
Re: On a natural reading . . . 624 Hanslune 01-May-16 05:25
Re: On a natural reading . . . 714 Martin Stower 01-May-16 13:53
Re: On a natural reading . . . 624 Hanslune 01-May-16 14:42
And who will guard the Guards? 632 LonelyAngel 09-May-16 09:08
Re: And who will guard the Guards? 799 Origyptian 09-May-16 12:47
Re: And who will guard the Guards? 652 DScribr 09-May-16 13:21
Re: And who will guard the Guards? 768 LonelyAngel 09-May-16 13:48
Re: And who will read his book? 581 DScribr 10-May-16 02:05
Re: And who will guard the Guards? 620 Martin Stower 16-May-16 23:01
Re: And who will guard the Guards? 663 Martin Stower 09-May-16 19:00
Re: And who will guard the Guards? 628 Corpuscles 09-May-16 20:07
Re: And who will accept the facts? 620 DScribr 10-May-16 02:21
Re: And who will accept the facts? 602 Corpuscles 10-May-16 03:01
Re: And who will accept the facts? 551 DScribr 10-May-16 03:30
Re: And who will accept the facts? 569 Corpuscles 10-May-16 03:47
Re: And who will accept the facts? 488 DScribr 10-May-16 13:32
Re: And who will accept the facts? 463 Harte 10-May-16 20:53
Re: And who will accept the facts? 580 Origyptian 10-May-16 21:14
Change Of Tune!?! 719 DScribr 11-May-16 01:54
The certainty of contamination 594 DScribr 11-May-16 01:44
Re: And who will accept the facts? 575 Frank D 11-May-16 23:40
Re: And who will accept the facts? 540 DScribr 12-May-16 02:52
Re: And who will guard the Henhouse??? 572 DScribr 10-May-16 02:11
Re: And who will guard the Henhouse??? 666 LonelyAngel 10-May-16 12:40
Re: And who will guard the Henhouse??? 564 Origyptian 10-May-16 13:16
Re: And who will guard the Henhouse??? 618 DScribr 10-May-16 13:35
Re: On reading about 'proof' 528 DScribr 07-May-16 15:56
Re: On reading about 'proof' 580 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 16:39
Re: Creighton persists 874 drrayeye 01-May-16 15:10
Re: Creighton persists 709 Martin Stower 01-May-16 16:21
Re: Attack!....Attack! 617 Thunderbird 01-May-16 22:47
Re: Attack!....Attack! 710 Martin Stower 01-May-16 23:19
Re: Attack!....Attack! 688 Hanslune 02-May-16 01:26
Re: Attack!....Attack! 679 Martin Stower 02-May-16 20:25
Re: Attack!....Attack! 705 Hanslune 02-May-16 21:12
Re: Creighton persists 728 cladking 02-May-16 00:22
Re: Creighton persists 681 Martin Stower 02-May-16 01:11
Re: Creighton persists 611 cladking 02-May-16 01:31
Re: Creighton persists 656 Martin Stower 02-May-16 20:03
Re: Creighton persists 629 cladking 03-May-16 00:50
Re: Creighton persists 600 Hanslune 03-May-16 06:00
Re: Creighton persists 575 Merrell 03-May-16 07:34
Re: Creighton persists 808 Origyptian 03-May-16 11:46
Re: Creighton persists 711 Martin Stower 03-May-16 14:01
Re: Creighton persists 775 Origyptian 03-May-16 21:55
Re: Creighton persists 685 Martin Stower 03-May-16 22:54
Re: Creighton persists 693 Origyptian 04-May-16 03:49
Re: Creighton persists 703 Thanos5150 03-May-16 18:26
Re: Creighton persists 673 Origyptian 03-May-16 21:09
Re: Creighton persists 733 Martin Stower 03-May-16 22:56
Re: Creighton persists 657 Origyptian 04-May-16 03:52
Re: Creighton persists 620 Martin Stower 04-May-16 17:54
Re: Creighton persists 608 Origyptian 04-May-16 21:06
Re: Creighton persists 925 Martin Stower 04-May-16 22:28
Re: Creighton persists 630 Harte 06-May-16 10:17
Re: Creighton persists 595 Origyptian 06-May-16 13:04
Re: Creighton persists 547 Martin Stower 06-May-16 15:35
Re: Creighton persists 610 Harte 06-May-16 16:50
Re: Creighton persists 593 Jon Ellison 06-May-16 17:33
Re: Creighton persists 530 Audrey 06-May-16 20:00
Re: Creighton persists 836 Jon Ellison 06-May-16 20:25
Re: Creighton persists 610 Jon Ellison 06-May-16 20:48
Re: Creighton persists 651 Archae Solenhofen 06-May-16 22:30
Re: Creighton persists 554 Jon Ellison 06-May-16 23:37
Re: Creighton persists 586 Martin Stower 07-May-16 00:02
Re: Creighton persists 584 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 00:33
Re: Creighton persists 656 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 01:07
Re: Creighton persists 596 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 01:55
Re: Creighton persists 455 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 02:03
Re: Creighton persists 737 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 05:06
Re: Creighton persists 489 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 10:39
Re: Creighton persists 525 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 16:38
Re: Creighton persists 561 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 17:03
Some "Engineer" 938 DScribr 08-May-16 20:54
Re: Some "Engineer" 557 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 21:00
Re: Some "Engineer" 648 Audrey 08-May-16 21:15
Re: Some "Engineer" 646 DScribr 08-May-16 21:33
Re: Some "Engineer" 614 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 21:44
Re: Creighton persists 641 Audrey 07-May-16 02:09
Re: Creighton persists 569 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 02:16
Re: Creighton persists 586 Luminescence 08-May-16 01:52
Another "Impossibility" 585 DScribr 08-May-16 21:36
Re: Creighton persists 587 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 02:23
Re: Creighton persists 714 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 05:16
my mysterious balls 653 Audrey 07-May-16 06:42
Re: Creighton persists 499 Origyptian 07-May-16 15:51
Re: Creighton persists 533 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 17:12
Re: Creighton persists 470 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 17:23
Re: Creighton persists 597 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 17:53
Re: Creighton persists 532 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 18:40
Re: Creighton persists 564 Audrey 07-May-16 19:30
Re: Creighton persists 529 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 20:11
Re: Creighton persists 542 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 00:06
Re: Creighton persists 601 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 01:23
Re: Creighton persists 532 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 09:48
Re: Creighton persists 472 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 11:34
Re: Creighton persists 512 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 17:32
Re: Creighton persists 513 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 20:07
Re: Creighton persists 593 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 20:24
Re: Creighton persists 495 Origyptian 09-May-16 02:37
Re: Creighton persists 454 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 10:32
Re: Creighton persists 554 Origyptian 09-May-16 12:58
Re: Creighton persists 600 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 13:25
Re: Creighton persists 486 Origyptian 09-May-16 13:30
Re: Creighton persists 515 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 13:33
Re: Creighton persists 510 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 20:44
Re: Creighton persists 552 Origyptian 08-May-16 15:31
Re: Creighton persists 454 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 16:17
Failure to acept the facts persists 542 DScribr 08-May-16 22:11
Re: Failure to acept the facts persists 602 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 22:26
Re: Failure to acept the facts persists 563 DScribr 09-May-16 00:29
Re: Creighton persists 521 Audrey 08-May-16 17:37
Re: Creighton persists 598 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 18:30
Re: Creighton persists 557 Audrey 08-May-16 18:52
Re: Creighton persists 628 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 20:13
Re: Creighton persists 510 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 20:20
Re: Creighton persists 555 Audrey 08-May-16 20:35
Re: Creighton persists 570 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 22:05
Re: Creighton persists 521 Audrey 08-May-16 23:05
Re: Creighton persists 515 Archae Solenhofen 09-May-16 00:11
Re: Creighton persists 576 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 00:35
Re: Creighton persists 474 Corpuscles 09-May-16 01:28
Re: Creighton persists 591 Origyptian 09-May-16 17:15
Re: Creighton persists 536 Corpuscles 09-May-16 19:40
Re: Creighton persists 491 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 20:02
Re: Creighton persists 545 Origyptian 09-May-16 21:25
Re: Creighton persists 639 Martin Stower 09-May-16 22:16
Re: Creighton persists 579 Origyptian 09-May-16 23:06
Re: Creighton persists 591 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 23:33
Re: Creighton persists 545 Martin Stower 09-May-16 23:41
Re: Creighton persists 582 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 23:45
Re: Creighton persists 615 Martin Stower 09-May-16 23:58
Re: Creighton persists 515 Jon Ellison 10-May-16 01:05
Re: Creighton persists 549 Martin Stower 10-May-16 19:32
Re: Creighton persists 598 Origyptian 10-May-16 20:31
Re: Creighton persists 567 Martin Stower 10-May-16 20:45
What Standards? 469 DScribr 10-May-16 02:37
Re: Creighton persists 452 Jon Ellison 10-May-16 14:45
Re: Creighton persists 503 Origyptian 10-May-16 14:53
Re: Creighton persists 572 Jon Ellison 10-May-16 15:00
Re: Creighton persists 588 Audrey 11-May-16 00:53
Re: Creighton persists 631 Martin Stower 11-May-16 01:43
Also . . . 561 Martin Stower 11-May-16 09:19
Re: Creighton persists 563 Origyptian 11-May-16 03:14
Re: Creighton persists 724 Martin Stower 11-May-16 10:17
Re: Creighton persists 643 Corpuscles 11-May-16 10:53
Re: Vessel manufacture 739 Thanos5150 11-May-16 17:24
Re: Vessel manufacture 487 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 18:11
Re: Vessel manufacture 743 Thanos5150 11-May-16 19:30
Re: Vessel manufacture 494 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:02
Re: Vessel manufacture 454 Thanos5150 11-May-16 20:26
Re: Vessel manufacture 508 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 20:36
Re: Vessel manufacture 531 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:58
Re: Vessel manufacture 486 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 21:07
Re: Vessel manufacture 487 Thanos5150 11-May-16 21:18
Re: Vessel manufacture 529 Origyptian 11-May-16 21:35
Re: Vessel manufacture 499 Thanos5150 11-May-16 21:49
Re: Vessel manufacture 428 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 21:58
Re: Vessel manufacture 486 Thanos5150 11-May-16 22:02
Re: Vessel manufacture 560 Origyptian 11-May-16 22:25
Re: Vessel manufacture 442 Origyptian 11-May-16 22:19
Re: Vessel manufacture 471 Origyptian 11-May-16 22:03
Re: Vessel manufacture 592 Thanos5150 11-May-16 22:15
Re: Vessel manufacture 508 Origyptian 11-May-16 22:26
Re: Vessel manufacture 494 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 21:41
Re: Vessel manufacture 461 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:41
Re: Vessel manufacture 459 Thanos5150 11-May-16 20:55
Re: Vessel manufacture 477 Origyptian 11-May-16 21:07
Re: Vessel manufacture 421 Audrey 11-May-16 21:12
Re: Vessel manufacture 468 Thanos5150 11-May-16 21:20
Re: Vessel manufacture 519 Origyptian 11-May-16 21:44
Re: Vessel manufacture 490 Thanos5150 11-May-16 21:58
Re: Vessel manufacture 518 Origyptian 11-May-16 22:23
Re: Vessel manufacture 504 Thanos5150 11-May-16 22:41
Re: Vessel manufacture 574 Audrey 11-May-16 21:56
Re: Vessel manufacture 455 Thanos5150 11-May-16 22:08
Re: Vessel manufacture 441 Thanos5150 11-May-16 21:35
Re: Vessel manufacture 456 Audrey 11-May-16 22:40
Re: Vessel manufacture 447 Thanos5150 11-May-16 22:44
Re: Vessel manufacture 480 Audrey 11-May-16 23:13
Re: Vessel manufacture 475 Thanos5150 12-May-16 00:26
Re: Vessel manufacture 434 Corpuscles 12-May-16 00:41
Re: Vessel manufacture 513 Thanos5150 12-May-16 01:13
Re: Vessel manufacture 520 Corpuscles 12-May-16 02:32
Re: Vessel manufacture 704 Thanos5150 12-May-16 06:10
Re: Vessel manufacture 558 Audrey 12-May-16 01:22
Re: Vessel manufacture 500 Thanos5150 12-May-16 01:52
Re: Vessel manufacture 470 Origyptian 12-May-16 02:26
Re: Vessel manufacture 397 Thanos5150 12-May-16 02:52
Re: Vessel manufacture 475 Martin Stower 12-May-16 21:22
Re: Vessel manufacture 482 Jon Ellison 12-May-16 02:01
Re: Vessel manufacture 424 Origyptian 12-May-16 02:20
Re: Vessel manufacture 469 Martin Stower 13-May-16 00:25
Re: Vessel manufacture 615 Martin Stower 12-May-16 13:23
Re: Vessel manufacture 520 Harte 12-May-16 22:15
Re: Vessel manufacture 460 Martin Stower 12-May-16 23:38
Re: Vessel manufacture 457 Thanos5150 13-May-16 00:28
Re: Vessel manufacture 459 Audrey 11-May-16 20:07
Re: Vessel manufacture 713 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:35
Re: Vessel manufacture 401 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:19
Re: Vessel manufacture 464 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 20:26
Re: Vessel manufacture 491 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:39
Re: Vessel manufacture 493 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 20:42
Re: Vessel manufacture 437 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:48
Re: Vessel manufacture 608 Corpuscles 11-May-16 23:52
Re: Vessel manufacture 595 Thanos5150 12-May-16 05:39
Re: Vessel manufacture 443 Corpuscles 12-May-16 08:12
Re: Vessel manufacture 452 DScribr 12-May-16 03:08
Re: Vessel manufacture 694 Audrey 11-May-16 19:55
Re: Vessel manufacture 518 Thanos5150 11-May-16 20:07
Re: Vessel manufacture 615 Origyptian 11-May-16 19:58
Re: Vessel manufacture 415 Corpuscles 11-May-16 23:25
Re: Vessel manufacture 467 Thanos5150 12-May-16 01:06
Re: Vessel manufacture 534 Audrey 12-May-16 01:47
Re: Vessel manufacture 438 Thanos5150 12-May-16 02:18
Re: Vessel manufacture 463 Martin Stower 13-May-16 00:03
Re: Vessel manufacture 536 Origyptian 12-May-16 02:34
Re: Vessel manufacture 480 Corpuscles 12-May-16 03:12
Re: Vessel manufacture 484 Thanos5150 12-May-16 04:05
Re: Vessel manufacture 463 Origyptian 12-May-16 04:23
Re: Vessel manufacture 523 Corpuscles 12-May-16 04:31
Re: Vessel manufacture 468 Audrey 12-May-16 06:44
Re: Vessel manufacture 428 Origyptian 12-May-16 04:16
Re: Vessel manufacture 554 Corpuscles 12-May-16 04:52
Re: Vessel manufacture 489 Origyptian 12-May-16 13:35
Re: Vessel manufacture 476 Martin Stower 12-May-16 21:49
Re: Vessel manufacture 476 Origyptian 12-May-16 22:07
Re: Vessel manufacture 475 Martin Stower 12-May-16 23:15
Re: Vessel manufacture 583 Origyptian 13-May-16 03:46
Re: Vessel manufacture 467 Martin Stower 13-May-16 18:31
Re: Vessel manufacture 394 DScribr 12-May-16 02:58
Re: Creighton persists 467 Martin Stower 12-May-16 11:42
Re: Creighton persists 450 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 11:00
Re: Creighton persists 481 Audrey 11-May-16 15:55
Re: Creighton persists 507 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 16:39
Re: Creighton persists 521 Audrey 09-May-16 01:44
Re: Creighton persists 569 Merrell 08-May-16 20:16
Re: Creighton persists 547 Audrey 08-May-16 20:36
Re: Creighton persists 574 Merrell 08-May-16 21:07
Re: Creighton persists 452 Audrey 08-May-16 21:10
Re: Creighton persists 555 Merrell 08-May-16 21:38
Re: Creighton persists 514 Audrey 08-May-16 21:59
Re: Creighton persists 506 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 21:27
Re: Creighton persists 518 Audrey 08-May-16 21:34
Re: Creighton persists 408 Origyptian 09-May-16 03:07
Re: Creighton persists 544 Audrey 09-May-16 03:18
Re: Creighton persists 476 Origyptian 09-May-16 04:06
Re: Creighton persists 527 Audrey 09-May-16 05:07
Re: Creighton persists 539 Origyptian 09-May-16 13:06
Re: Creighton persists 537 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 12:00
Re: Creighton persists 424 Origyptian 09-May-16 13:17
Re: Creighton persists 500 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 13:29
Re: Creighton persists 477 DScribr 09-May-16 13:30
Re: Creighton persists 502 Origyptian 09-May-16 02:09
Re: Creighton persists 501 Origyptian 09-May-16 01:49
Re: Creighton persists 571 Origyptian 08-May-16 02:13
Re: Creighton persists 321 Origyptian 08-May-16 02:07
Re: Drill baby drill.... 592 Thunderbird 08-May-16 02:41
Re: Drill baby drill.... 750 Origyptian 08-May-16 03:23
Re: Drill baby drill.... 615 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 11:38
We've been thru this 100 times. 471 DScribr 09-May-16 00:41
Re: We've been thru this 100 times. 622 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 01:00
Re: Drill baby drill.... 761 Harte 08-May-16 19:35
Re: Drill baby drill.... 538 DScribr 09-May-16 00:45
Re: Drill baby drill.... 552 Origyptian 09-May-16 02:14
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 602 Thunderbird 08-May-16 19:41
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 571 Audrey 08-May-16 20:49
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 557 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 20:55
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 447 Audrey 08-May-16 21:09
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 441 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 21:14
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 536 Audrey 08-May-16 21:22
Too much interpretation 483 DScribr 09-May-16 00:36
Re: Too much interpretation 449 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 00:41
Refusal Persists 463 DScribr 09-May-16 00:21
Re: Creighton persists 450 Audrey 07-May-16 02:02
Re: Creighton persists 549 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 02:55
Re: Creighton persists 561 Audrey 07-May-16 04:14
Re: Creighton persists 521 Origyptian 06-May-16 18:21
Re: Creighton persists 451 Audrey 06-May-16 19:03
Re: Creighton persists 608 Martin Stower 07-May-16 01:00
Re: Creighton persists 507 Origyptian 06-May-16 20:12
Logic rarely persists here. 581 DScribr 08-May-16 20:40
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 528 Corpuscles 08-May-16 21:51
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 548 Origyptian 09-May-16 03:20
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 508 Harte 09-May-16 21:18
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 526 DScribr 10-May-16 02:23
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 671 Corpuscles 10-May-16 03:11
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 549 DScribr 10-May-16 03:38
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 576 Corpuscles 10-May-16 03:54
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 503 DScribr 10-May-16 13:42
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 581 Harte 10-May-16 10:03
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 504 Jon Ellison 10-May-16 10:06
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 440 Origyptian 10-May-16 11:28
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 517 DScribr 10-May-16 13:44
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 676 Jon Ellison