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Why do you think the shaft wouldn't engage?
Do you imagine that Stock's version of the shaft is the only possibility, that Stocks isn't going for proof of concept, but for proof of design?

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Creighton persists 3705 Martin Stower 30-Apr-16 23:26
Some may also be wondering . . . 662 Martin Stower 30-Apr-16 23:37
Re: Creighton persists 804 Frank D 30-Apr-16 23:41
On a natural reading . . . 769 Martin Stower 01-May-16 00:44
Re: On a natural reading . . . 584 Hanslune 01-May-16 05:25
Re: On a natural reading . . . 669 Martin Stower 01-May-16 13:53
Re: On a natural reading . . . 582 Hanslune 01-May-16 14:42
And who will guard the Guards? 595 LonelyAngel 09-May-16 09:08
Re: And who will guard the Guards? 618 Origyptian 09-May-16 12:47
Re: And who will guard the Guards? 616 DScribr 09-May-16 13:21
Re: And who will guard the Guards? 729 LonelyAngel 09-May-16 13:48
Re: And who will read his book? 542 DScribr 10-May-16 02:05
Re: And who will guard the Guards? 583 Martin Stower 16-May-16 23:01
Re: And who will guard the Guards? 623 Martin Stower 09-May-16 19:00
Re: And who will guard the Guards? 515 Corpuscles 09-May-16 20:07
Re: And who will accept the facts? 579 DScribr 10-May-16 02:21
Re: And who will accept the facts? 563 Corpuscles 10-May-16 03:01
Re: And who will accept the facts? 511 DScribr 10-May-16 03:30
Re: And who will accept the facts? 511 Corpuscles 10-May-16 03:47
Re: And who will accept the facts? 449 DScribr 10-May-16 13:32
Re: And who will accept the facts? 422 Harte 10-May-16 20:53
Re: And who will accept the facts? 540 Origyptian 10-May-16 21:14
Change Of Tune!?! 582 DScribr 11-May-16 01:54
The certainty of contamination 555 DScribr 11-May-16 01:44
Re: And who will accept the facts? 529 Frank D 11-May-16 23:40
Re: And who will accept the facts? 499 DScribr 12-May-16 02:52
Re: And who will guard the Henhouse??? 532 DScribr 10-May-16 02:11
Re: And who will guard the Henhouse??? 575 LonelyAngel 10-May-16 12:40
Re: And who will guard the Henhouse??? 525 Origyptian 10-May-16 13:16
Re: And who will guard the Henhouse??? 538 DScribr 10-May-16 13:35
Re: On reading about 'proof' 490 DScribr 07-May-16 15:56
Re: On reading about 'proof' 542 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 16:39
Re: Creighton persists 647 drrayeye 01-May-16 15:10
Re: Creighton persists 667 Martin Stower 01-May-16 16:21
Re: Attack!....Attack! 578 Thunderbird 01-May-16 22:47
Re: Attack!....Attack! 652 Martin Stower 01-May-16 23:19
Re: Attack!....Attack! 646 Hanslune 02-May-16 01:26
Re: Attack!....Attack! 603 Martin Stower 02-May-16 20:25
Re: Attack!....Attack! 669 Hanslune 02-May-16 21:12
Re: Creighton persists 614 cladking 02-May-16 00:22
Re: Creighton persists 642 Martin Stower 02-May-16 01:11
Re: Creighton persists 571 cladking 02-May-16 01:31
Re: Creighton persists 616 Martin Stower 02-May-16 20:03
Re: Creighton persists 587 cladking 03-May-16 00:50
Re: Creighton persists 561 Hanslune 03-May-16 06:00
Re: Creighton persists 536 Merrell 03-May-16 07:34
Re: Creighton persists 703 Origyptian 03-May-16 11:46
Re: Creighton persists 653 Martin Stower 03-May-16 14:01
Re: Creighton persists 685 Origyptian 03-May-16 21:55
Re: Creighton persists 624 Martin Stower 03-May-16 22:54
Re: Creighton persists 654 Origyptian 04-May-16 03:49
Re: Creighton persists 665 Thanos5150 03-May-16 18:26
Re: Creighton persists 588 Origyptian 03-May-16 21:09
Re: Creighton persists 661 Martin Stower 03-May-16 22:56
Re: Creighton persists 620 Origyptian 04-May-16 03:52
Re: Creighton persists 577 Martin Stower 04-May-16 17:54
Re: Creighton persists 565 Origyptian 04-May-16 21:06
Re: Creighton persists 776 Martin Stower 04-May-16 22:28
Re: Creighton persists 589 Harte 06-May-16 10:17
Re: Creighton persists 559 Origyptian 06-May-16 13:04
Re: Creighton persists 503 Martin Stower 06-May-16 15:35
Re: Creighton persists 572 Harte 06-May-16 16:50
Re: Creighton persists 522 Jon Ellison 06-May-16 17:33
Re: Creighton persists 497 Audrey 06-May-16 20:00
Re: Creighton persists 656 Jon Ellison 06-May-16 20:25
Re: Creighton persists 568 Jon Ellison 06-May-16 20:48
Re: Creighton persists 609 Archae Solenhofen 06-May-16 22:30
Re: Creighton persists 514 Jon Ellison 06-May-16 23:37
Re: Creighton persists 536 Martin Stower 07-May-16 00:02
Re: Creighton persists 543 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 00:33
Re: Creighton persists 556 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 01:07
Re: Creighton persists 558 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 01:55
Re: Creighton persists 415 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 02:03
Re: Creighton persists 580 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 05:06
Re: Creighton persists 445 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 10:39
Re: Creighton persists 487 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 16:38
Re: Creighton persists 521 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 17:03
Some "Engineer" 767 DScribr 08-May-16 20:54
Re: Some "Engineer" 509 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 21:00
Re: Some "Engineer" 601 Audrey 08-May-16 21:15
Re: Some "Engineer" 609 DScribr 08-May-16 21:33
Re: Some "Engineer" 569 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 21:44
Re: Creighton persists 553 Audrey 07-May-16 02:09
Re: Creighton persists 529 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 02:16
Re: Creighton persists 543 Luminescence 08-May-16 01:52
Another "Impossibility" 544 DScribr 08-May-16 21:36
Re: Creighton persists 549 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 02:23
Re: Creighton persists 607 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 05:16
my mysterious balls 613 Audrey 07-May-16 06:42
Re: Creighton persists 422 Origyptian 07-May-16 15:51
Re: Creighton persists 486 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 17:12
Re: Creighton persists 437 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 17:23
Re: Creighton persists 555 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 17:53
Re: Creighton persists 493 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 18:40
Re: Creighton persists 522 Audrey 07-May-16 19:30
Re: Creighton persists 493 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 20:11
Re: Creighton persists 500 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 00:06
Re: Creighton persists 560 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 01:23
Re: Creighton persists 496 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 09:48
Re: Creighton persists 438 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 11:34
Re: Creighton persists 469 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 17:32
Re: Creighton persists 470 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 20:07
Re: Creighton persists 481 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 20:24
Re: Creighton persists 451 Origyptian 09-May-16 02:37
Re: Creighton persists 419 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 10:32
Re: Creighton persists 513 Origyptian 09-May-16 12:58
Re: Creighton persists 564 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 13:25
Re: Creighton persists 455 Origyptian 09-May-16 13:30
Re: Creighton persists 482 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 13:33
Re: Creighton persists 472 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 20:44
Re: Creighton persists 447 Origyptian 08-May-16 15:31
Re: Creighton persists 416 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 16:17
Failure to acept the facts persists 497 DScribr 08-May-16 22:11
Re: Failure to acept the facts persists 532 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 22:26
Re: Failure to acept the facts persists 527 DScribr 09-May-16 00:29
Re: Creighton persists 487 Audrey 08-May-16 17:37
Re: Creighton persists 523 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 18:30
Re: Creighton persists 522 Audrey 08-May-16 18:52
Re: Creighton persists 555 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 20:13
Re: Creighton persists 427 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 20:20
Re: Creighton persists 521 Audrey 08-May-16 20:35
Re: Creighton persists 512 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 22:05
Re: Creighton persists 488 Audrey 08-May-16 23:05
Re: Creighton persists 471 Archae Solenhofen 09-May-16 00:11
Re: Creighton persists 514 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 00:35
Re: Creighton persists 437 Corpuscles 09-May-16 01:28
Re: Creighton persists 547 Origyptian 09-May-16 17:15
Re: Creighton persists 503 Corpuscles 09-May-16 19:40
Re: Creighton persists 458 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 20:02
Re: Creighton persists 505 Origyptian 09-May-16 21:25
Re: Creighton persists 607 Martin Stower 09-May-16 22:16
Re: Creighton persists 543 Origyptian 09-May-16 23:06
Re: Creighton persists 555 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 23:33
Re: Creighton persists 505 Martin Stower 09-May-16 23:41
Re: Creighton persists 539 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 23:45
Re: Creighton persists 582 Martin Stower 09-May-16 23:58
Re: Creighton persists 482 Jon Ellison 10-May-16 01:05
Re: Creighton persists 470 Martin Stower 10-May-16 19:32
Re: Creighton persists 495 Origyptian 10-May-16 20:31
Re: Creighton persists 530 Martin Stower 10-May-16 20:45
What Standards? 433 DScribr 10-May-16 02:37
Re: Creighton persists 358 Jon Ellison 10-May-16 14:45
Re: Creighton persists 471 Origyptian 10-May-16 14:53
Re: Creighton persists 539 Jon Ellison 10-May-16 15:00
Re: Creighton persists 548 Audrey 11-May-16 00:53
Re: Creighton persists 544 Martin Stower 11-May-16 01:43
Also . . . 526 Martin Stower 11-May-16 09:19
Re: Creighton persists 438 Origyptian 11-May-16 03:14
Re: Creighton persists 588 Martin Stower 11-May-16 10:17
Re: Creighton persists 553 Corpuscles 11-May-16 10:53
Re: Vessel manufacture 698 Thanos5150 11-May-16 17:24
Re: Vessel manufacture 451 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 18:11
Re: Vessel manufacture 703 Thanos5150 11-May-16 19:30
Re: Vessel manufacture 459 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:02
Re: Vessel manufacture 410 Thanos5150 11-May-16 20:26
Re: Vessel manufacture 476 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 20:36
Re: Vessel manufacture 428 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:58
Re: Vessel manufacture 439 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 21:07
Re: Vessel manufacture 454 Thanos5150 11-May-16 21:18
Re: Vessel manufacture 492 Origyptian 11-May-16 21:35
Re: Vessel manufacture 463 Thanos5150 11-May-16 21:49
Re: Vessel manufacture 392 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 21:58
Re: Vessel manufacture 444 Thanos5150 11-May-16 22:02
Re: Vessel manufacture 486 Origyptian 11-May-16 22:25
Re: Vessel manufacture 408 Origyptian 11-May-16 22:19
Re: Vessel manufacture 439 Origyptian 11-May-16 22:03
Re: Vessel manufacture 560 Thanos5150 11-May-16 22:15
Re: Vessel manufacture 473 Origyptian 11-May-16 22:26
Re: Vessel manufacture 465 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 21:41
Re: Vessel manufacture 427 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:41
Re: Vessel manufacture 427 Thanos5150 11-May-16 20:55
Re: Vessel manufacture 443 Origyptian 11-May-16 21:07
Re: Vessel manufacture 385 Audrey 11-May-16 21:12
Re: Vessel manufacture 434 Thanos5150 11-May-16 21:20
Re: Vessel manufacture 483 Origyptian 11-May-16 21:44
Re: Vessel manufacture 457 Thanos5150 11-May-16 21:58
Re: Vessel manufacture 488 Origyptian 11-May-16 22:23
Re: Vessel manufacture 473 Thanos5150 11-May-16 22:41
Re: Vessel manufacture 461 Audrey 11-May-16 21:56
Re: Vessel manufacture 423 Thanos5150 11-May-16 22:08
Re: Vessel manufacture 409 Thanos5150 11-May-16 21:35
Re: Vessel manufacture 425 Audrey 11-May-16 22:40
Re: Vessel manufacture 415 Thanos5150 11-May-16 22:44
Re: Vessel manufacture 444 Audrey 11-May-16 23:13
Re: Vessel manufacture 438 Thanos5150 12-May-16 00:26
Re: Vessel manufacture 404 Corpuscles 12-May-16 00:41
Re: Vessel manufacture 473 Thanos5150 12-May-16 01:13
Re: Vessel manufacture 486 Corpuscles 12-May-16 02:32
Re: Vessel manufacture 635 Thanos5150 12-May-16 06:10
Re: Vessel manufacture 525 Audrey 12-May-16 01:22
Re: Vessel manufacture 469 Thanos5150 12-May-16 01:52
Re: Vessel manufacture 437 Origyptian 12-May-16 02:26
Re: Vessel manufacture 365 Thanos5150 12-May-16 02:52
Re: Vessel manufacture 440 Martin Stower 12-May-16 21:22
Re: Vessel manufacture 448 Jon Ellison 12-May-16 02:01
Re: Vessel manufacture 389 Origyptian 12-May-16 02:20
Re: Vessel manufacture 440 Martin Stower 13-May-16 00:25
Re: Vessel manufacture 583 Martin Stower 12-May-16 13:23
Re: Vessel manufacture 479 Harte 12-May-16 22:15
Re: Vessel manufacture 426 Martin Stower 12-May-16 23:38
Re: Vessel manufacture 422 Thanos5150 13-May-16 00:28
Re: Vessel manufacture 419 Audrey 11-May-16 20:07
Re: Vessel manufacture 586 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:35
Re: Vessel manufacture 364 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:19
Re: Vessel manufacture 431 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 20:26
Re: Vessel manufacture 458 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:39
Re: Vessel manufacture 462 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 20:42
Re: Vessel manufacture 400 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:48
Re: Vessel manufacture 576 Corpuscles 11-May-16 23:52
Re: Vessel manufacture 562 Thanos5150 12-May-16 05:39
Re: Vessel manufacture 408 Corpuscles 12-May-16 08:12
Re: Vessel manufacture 423 DScribr 12-May-16 03:08
Re: Vessel manufacture 611 Audrey 11-May-16 19:55
Re: Vessel manufacture 479 Thanos5150 11-May-16 20:07
Re: Vessel manufacture 580 Origyptian 11-May-16 19:58
Re: Vessel manufacture 384 Corpuscles 11-May-16 23:25
Re: Vessel manufacture 432 Thanos5150 12-May-16 01:06
Re: Vessel manufacture 498 Audrey 12-May-16 01:47
Re: Vessel manufacture 406 Thanos5150 12-May-16 02:18
Re: Vessel manufacture 430 Martin Stower 13-May-16 00:03
Re: Vessel manufacture 505 Origyptian 12-May-16 02:34
Re: Vessel manufacture 446 Corpuscles 12-May-16 03:12
Re: Vessel manufacture 450 Thanos5150 12-May-16 04:05
Re: Vessel manufacture 429 Origyptian 12-May-16 04:23
Re: Vessel manufacture 489 Corpuscles 12-May-16 04:31
Re: Vessel manufacture 436 Audrey 12-May-16 06:44
Re: Vessel manufacture 393 Origyptian 12-May-16 04:16
Re: Vessel manufacture 521 Corpuscles 12-May-16 04:52
Re: Vessel manufacture 455 Origyptian 12-May-16 13:35
Re: Vessel manufacture 441 Martin Stower 12-May-16 21:49
Re: Vessel manufacture 446 Origyptian 12-May-16 22:07
Re: Vessel manufacture 443 Martin Stower 12-May-16 23:15
Re: Vessel manufacture 549 Origyptian 13-May-16 03:46
Re: Vessel manufacture 433 Martin Stower 13-May-16 18:31
Re: Vessel manufacture 364 DScribr 12-May-16 02:58
Re: Creighton persists 435 Martin Stower 12-May-16 11:42
Re: Creighton persists 419 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 11:00
Re: Creighton persists 442 Audrey 11-May-16 15:55
Re: Creighton persists 477 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 16:39
Re: Creighton persists 486 Audrey 09-May-16 01:44
Re: Creighton persists 538 Merrell 08-May-16 20:16
Re: Creighton persists 515 Audrey 08-May-16 20:36
Re: Creighton persists 542 Merrell 08-May-16 21:07
Re: Creighton persists 421 Audrey 08-May-16 21:10
Re: Creighton persists 520 Merrell 08-May-16 21:38
Re: Creighton persists 481 Audrey 08-May-16 21:59
Re: Creighton persists 452 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 21:27
Re: Creighton persists 487 Audrey 08-May-16 21:34
Re: Creighton persists 375 Origyptian 09-May-16 03:07
Re: Creighton persists 510 Audrey 09-May-16 03:18
Re: Creighton persists 444 Origyptian 09-May-16 04:06
Re: Creighton persists 494 Audrey 09-May-16 05:07
Re: Creighton persists 506 Origyptian 09-May-16 13:06
Re: Creighton persists 501 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 12:00
Re: Creighton persists 389 Origyptian 09-May-16 13:17
Re: Creighton persists 470 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 13:29
Re: Creighton persists 443 DScribr 09-May-16 13:30
Re: Creighton persists 466 Origyptian 09-May-16 02:09
Re: Creighton persists 467 Origyptian 09-May-16 01:49
Re: Creighton persists 539 Origyptian 08-May-16 02:13
Re: Creighton persists 290 Origyptian 08-May-16 02:07
Re: Drill baby drill.... 558 Thunderbird 08-May-16 02:41
Re: Drill baby drill.... 716 Origyptian 08-May-16 03:23
Re: Drill baby drill.... 584 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 11:38
We've been thru this 100 times. 435 DScribr 09-May-16 00:41
Re: We've been thru this 100 times. 491 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 01:00
Re: Drill baby drill.... 723 Harte 08-May-16 19:35
Re: Drill baby drill.... 505 DScribr 09-May-16 00:45
Re: Drill baby drill.... 520 Origyptian 09-May-16 02:14
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 566 Thunderbird 08-May-16 19:41
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 533 Audrey 08-May-16 20:49
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 456 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 20:55
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 393 Audrey 08-May-16 21:09
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 407 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 21:14
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 491 Audrey 08-May-16 21:22
Too much interpretation 448 DScribr 09-May-16 00:36
Re: Too much interpretation 417 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 00:41
Refusal Persists 431 DScribr 09-May-16 00:21
Re: Creighton persists 418 Audrey 07-May-16 02:02
Re: Creighton persists 518 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 02:55
Re: Creighton persists 429 Audrey 07-May-16 04:14
Re: Creighton persists 488 Origyptian 06-May-16 18:21
Re: Creighton persists 419 Audrey 06-May-16 19:03
Re: Creighton persists 576 Martin Stower 07-May-16 01:00
Re: Creighton persists 472 Origyptian 06-May-16 20:12
Logic rarely persists here. 549 DScribr 08-May-16 20:40
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 496 Corpuscles 08-May-16 21:51
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 509 Origyptian 09-May-16 03:20
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 425 Harte 09-May-16 21:18
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 495 DScribr 10-May-16 02:23
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 636 Corpuscles 10-May-16 03:11
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 518 DScribr 10-May-16 03:38
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 536 Corpuscles 10-May-16 03:54
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 472 DScribr 10-May-16 13:42
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 504 Harte 10-May-16 10:03
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 472 Jon Ellison 10-May-16 10:06
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 409 Origyptian 10-May-16 11:28
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 486 DScribr 10-May-16 13:44
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 502 Jon Ellison 10-May-16 14:06