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Merrell Wrote:
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> The set of characters that include Khufu's
> cartouche fit perfectly into an AE labour
> organization scheme - discussed recently by Ann
> Macy Roth - that no one knew about in 1837.

Macy is an extension of Sethe which is one - but not the only - interpretation. Macy's entire thesis depends on an intact funerary context which many of us decry due to lack of physical evidence supporting the tomb hypothesis. And without the funerary context to support the phyle paradigm, the context can be interpreted as "nautical" (as implied by Macy), and we are left with simple "port"- and "starboard"-esque designations within an engineering/construction context rather than different work gangs dedicated to the pharaoh's tomb - separate work gangs who are "coincidentally" responsible for the "port" vs. "starboard" side of that chamber.

I've already discussed alternate connotations of "Khnum-kfu" in terms of infrastructure function rather than as a reference to a single contemporaneous human.

It's simply a hypothesis that considers the evidence. Certainly not a reason to obsessively engage in character assassination.

That said, if that sole "Khufu" cartouche is a fraud, the fraudster only needed to copy the same trailing marks found elsewhere on that same side of the Relieving Chambers in the same format seen with other cartouches up there in the rafters regardless of whether the funerary or nautical or whatever context was known at that time. After all, it's not unreasonable to assume Vyse was already familiar with a relatively common occurrence of cartouches being trailed by such ancillary labeling right there in about a dozen instances in those same Relieving Chambers.

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Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 07-May-16 15:34 by Origyptian.

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Creighton persists 3711 Martin Stower 30-Apr-16 23:26
Some may also be wondering . . . 667 Martin Stower 30-Apr-16 23:37
Re: Creighton persists 808 Frank D 30-Apr-16 23:41
On a natural reading . . . 774 Martin Stower 01-May-16 00:44
Re: On a natural reading . . . 587 Hanslune 01-May-16 05:25
Re: On a natural reading . . . 676 Martin Stower 01-May-16 13:53
Re: On a natural reading . . . 585 Hanslune 01-May-16 14:42
And who will guard the Guards? 599 LonelyAngel 09-May-16 09:08
Re: And who will guard the Guards? 627 Origyptian 09-May-16 12:47
Re: And who will guard the Guards? 618 DScribr 09-May-16 13:21
Re: And who will guard the Guards? 733 LonelyAngel 09-May-16 13:48
Re: And who will read his book? 545 DScribr 10-May-16 02:05
Re: And who will guard the Guards? 587 Martin Stower 16-May-16 23:01
Re: And who will guard the Guards? 625 Martin Stower 09-May-16 19:00
Re: And who will guard the Guards? 518 Corpuscles 09-May-16 20:07
Re: And who will accept the facts? 584 DScribr 10-May-16 02:21
Re: And who will accept the facts? 568 Corpuscles 10-May-16 03:01
Re: And who will accept the facts? 516 DScribr 10-May-16 03:30
Re: And who will accept the facts? 521 Corpuscles 10-May-16 03:47
Re: And who will accept the facts? 453 DScribr 10-May-16 13:32
Re: And who will accept the facts? 425 Harte 10-May-16 20:53
Re: And who will accept the facts? 543 Origyptian 10-May-16 21:14
Change Of Tune!?! 585 DScribr 11-May-16 01:54
The certainty of contamination 559 DScribr 11-May-16 01:44
Re: And who will accept the facts? 534 Frank D 11-May-16 23:40
Re: And who will accept the facts? 501 DScribr 12-May-16 02:52
Re: And who will guard the Henhouse??? 537 DScribr 10-May-16 02:11
Re: And who will guard the Henhouse??? 577 LonelyAngel 10-May-16 12:40
Re: And who will guard the Henhouse??? 529 Origyptian 10-May-16 13:16
Re: And who will guard the Henhouse??? 542 DScribr 10-May-16 13:35
Re: On reading about 'proof' 492 DScribr 07-May-16 15:56
Re: On reading about 'proof' 545 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 16:39
Re: Creighton persists 653 drrayeye 01-May-16 15:10
Re: Creighton persists 670 Martin Stower 01-May-16 16:21
Re: Attack!....Attack! 583 Thunderbird 01-May-16 22:47
Re: Attack!....Attack! 655 Martin Stower 01-May-16 23:19
Re: Attack!....Attack! 652 Hanslune 02-May-16 01:26
Re: Attack!....Attack! 606 Martin Stower 02-May-16 20:25
Re: Attack!....Attack! 672 Hanslune 02-May-16 21:12
Re: Creighton persists 619 cladking 02-May-16 00:22
Re: Creighton persists 646 Martin Stower 02-May-16 01:11
Re: Creighton persists 577 cladking 02-May-16 01:31
Re: Creighton persists 619 Martin Stower 02-May-16 20:03
Re: Creighton persists 591 cladking 03-May-16 00:50
Re: Creighton persists 566 Hanslune 03-May-16 06:00
Re: Creighton persists 537 Merrell 03-May-16 07:34
Re: Creighton persists 704 Origyptian 03-May-16 11:46
Re: Creighton persists 658 Martin Stower 03-May-16 14:01
Re: Creighton persists 687 Origyptian 03-May-16 21:55
Re: Creighton persists 628 Martin Stower 03-May-16 22:54
Re: Creighton persists 657 Origyptian 04-May-16 03:49
Re: Creighton persists 670 Thanos5150 03-May-16 18:26
Re: Creighton persists 590 Origyptian 03-May-16 21:09
Re: Creighton persists 663 Martin Stower 03-May-16 22:56
Re: Creighton persists 624 Origyptian 04-May-16 03:52
Re: Creighton persists 580 Martin Stower 04-May-16 17:54
Re: Creighton persists 566 Origyptian 04-May-16 21:06
Re: Creighton persists 788 Martin Stower 04-May-16 22:28
Re: Creighton persists 592 Harte 06-May-16 10:17
Re: Creighton persists 562 Origyptian 06-May-16 13:04
Re: Creighton persists 504 Martin Stower 06-May-16 15:35
Re: Creighton persists 574 Harte 06-May-16 16:50
Re: Creighton persists 525 Jon Ellison 06-May-16 17:33
Re: Creighton persists 498 Audrey 06-May-16 20:00
Re: Creighton persists 663 Jon Ellison 06-May-16 20:25
Re: Creighton persists 573 Jon Ellison 06-May-16 20:48
Re: Creighton persists 612 Archae Solenhofen 06-May-16 22:30
Re: Creighton persists 517 Jon Ellison 06-May-16 23:37
Re: Creighton persists 541 Martin Stower 07-May-16 00:02
Re: Creighton persists 546 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 00:33
Re: Creighton persists 558 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 01:07
Re: Creighton persists 561 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 01:55
Re: Creighton persists 417 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 02:03
Re: Creighton persists 584 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 05:06
Re: Creighton persists 448 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 10:39
Re: Creighton persists 490 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 16:38
Re: Creighton persists 524 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 17:03
Some "Engineer" 771 DScribr 08-May-16 20:54
Re: Some "Engineer" 514 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 21:00
Re: Some "Engineer" 611 Audrey 08-May-16 21:15
Re: Some "Engineer" 612 DScribr 08-May-16 21:33
Re: Some "Engineer" 574 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 21:44
Re: Creighton persists 554 Audrey 07-May-16 02:09
Re: Creighton persists 534 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 02:16
Re: Creighton persists 549 Luminescence 08-May-16 01:52
Another "Impossibility" 550 DScribr 08-May-16 21:36
Re: Creighton persists 551 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 02:23
Re: Creighton persists 613 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 05:16
my mysterious balls 615 Audrey 07-May-16 06:42
Re: Creighton persists 426 Origyptian 07-May-16 15:51
Re: Creighton persists 488 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 17:12
Re: Creighton persists 439 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 17:23
Re: Creighton persists 558 Archae Solenhofen 07-May-16 17:53
Re: Creighton persists 498 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 18:40
Re: Creighton persists 525 Audrey 07-May-16 19:30
Re: Creighton persists 494 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 20:11
Re: Creighton persists 503 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 00:06
Re: Creighton persists 562 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 01:23
Re: Creighton persists 498 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 09:48
Re: Creighton persists 440 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 11:34
Re: Creighton persists 471 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 17:32
Re: Creighton persists 472 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 20:07
Re: Creighton persists 482 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 20:24
Re: Creighton persists 455 Origyptian 09-May-16 02:37
Re: Creighton persists 422 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 10:32
Re: Creighton persists 517 Origyptian 09-May-16 12:58
Re: Creighton persists 566 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 13:25
Re: Creighton persists 457 Origyptian 09-May-16 13:30
Re: Creighton persists 484 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 13:33
Re: Creighton persists 475 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 20:44
Re: Creighton persists 451 Origyptian 08-May-16 15:31
Re: Creighton persists 418 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 16:17
Failure to acept the facts persists 502 DScribr 08-May-16 22:11
Re: Failure to acept the facts persists 535 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 22:26
Re: Failure to acept the facts persists 530 DScribr 09-May-16 00:29
Re: Creighton persists 490 Audrey 08-May-16 17:37
Re: Creighton persists 526 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 18:30
Re: Creighton persists 524 Audrey 08-May-16 18:52
Re: Creighton persists 559 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 20:13
Re: Creighton persists 431 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 20:20
Re: Creighton persists 524 Audrey 08-May-16 20:35
Re: Creighton persists 529 Archae Solenhofen 08-May-16 22:05
Re: Creighton persists 490 Audrey 08-May-16 23:05
Re: Creighton persists 475 Archae Solenhofen 09-May-16 00:11
Re: Creighton persists 515 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 00:35
Re: Creighton persists 440 Corpuscles 09-May-16 01:28
Re: Creighton persists 551 Origyptian 09-May-16 17:15
Re: Creighton persists 504 Corpuscles 09-May-16 19:40
Re: Creighton persists 459 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 20:02
Re: Creighton persists 508 Origyptian 09-May-16 21:25
Re: Creighton persists 610 Martin Stower 09-May-16 22:16
Re: Creighton persists 546 Origyptian 09-May-16 23:06
Re: Creighton persists 558 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 23:33
Re: Creighton persists 509 Martin Stower 09-May-16 23:41
Re: Creighton persists 543 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 23:45
Re: Creighton persists 585 Martin Stower 09-May-16 23:58
Re: Creighton persists 483 Jon Ellison 10-May-16 01:05
Re: Creighton persists 474 Martin Stower 10-May-16 19:32
Re: Creighton persists 500 Origyptian 10-May-16 20:31
Re: Creighton persists 534 Martin Stower 10-May-16 20:45
What Standards? 438 DScribr 10-May-16 02:37
Re: Creighton persists 363 Jon Ellison 10-May-16 14:45
Re: Creighton persists 474 Origyptian 10-May-16 14:53
Re: Creighton persists 542 Jon Ellison 10-May-16 15:00
Re: Creighton persists 555 Audrey 11-May-16 00:53
Re: Creighton persists 558 Martin Stower 11-May-16 01:43
Also . . . 528 Martin Stower 11-May-16 09:19
Re: Creighton persists 441 Origyptian 11-May-16 03:14
Re: Creighton persists 592 Martin Stower 11-May-16 10:17
Re: Creighton persists 557 Corpuscles 11-May-16 10:53
Re: Vessel manufacture 702 Thanos5150 11-May-16 17:24
Re: Vessel manufacture 456 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 18:11
Re: Vessel manufacture 707 Thanos5150 11-May-16 19:30
Re: Vessel manufacture 462 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:02
Re: Vessel manufacture 416 Thanos5150 11-May-16 20:26
Re: Vessel manufacture 480 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 20:36
Re: Vessel manufacture 431 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:58
Re: Vessel manufacture 454 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 21:07
Re: Vessel manufacture 458 Thanos5150 11-May-16 21:18
Re: Vessel manufacture 497 Origyptian 11-May-16 21:35
Re: Vessel manufacture 467 Thanos5150 11-May-16 21:49
Re: Vessel manufacture 396 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 21:58
Re: Vessel manufacture 449 Thanos5150 11-May-16 22:02
Re: Vessel manufacture 491 Origyptian 11-May-16 22:25
Re: Vessel manufacture 414 Origyptian 11-May-16 22:19
Re: Vessel manufacture 444 Origyptian 11-May-16 22:03
Re: Vessel manufacture 564 Thanos5150 11-May-16 22:15
Re: Vessel manufacture 477 Origyptian 11-May-16 22:26
Re: Vessel manufacture 469 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 21:41
Re: Vessel manufacture 431 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:41
Re: Vessel manufacture 429 Thanos5150 11-May-16 20:55
Re: Vessel manufacture 446 Origyptian 11-May-16 21:07
Re: Vessel manufacture 387 Audrey 11-May-16 21:12
Re: Vessel manufacture 439 Thanos5150 11-May-16 21:20
Re: Vessel manufacture 489 Origyptian 11-May-16 21:44
Re: Vessel manufacture 461 Thanos5150 11-May-16 21:58
Re: Vessel manufacture 494 Origyptian 11-May-16 22:23
Re: Vessel manufacture 475 Thanos5150 11-May-16 22:41
Re: Vessel manufacture 467 Audrey 11-May-16 21:56
Re: Vessel manufacture 426 Thanos5150 11-May-16 22:08
Re: Vessel manufacture 414 Thanos5150 11-May-16 21:35
Re: Vessel manufacture 428 Audrey 11-May-16 22:40
Re: Vessel manufacture 419 Thanos5150 11-May-16 22:44
Re: Vessel manufacture 448 Audrey 11-May-16 23:13
Re: Vessel manufacture 444 Thanos5150 12-May-16 00:26
Re: Vessel manufacture 407 Corpuscles 12-May-16 00:41
Re: Vessel manufacture 478 Thanos5150 12-May-16 01:13
Re: Vessel manufacture 490 Corpuscles 12-May-16 02:32
Re: Vessel manufacture 639 Thanos5150 12-May-16 06:10
Re: Vessel manufacture 531 Audrey 12-May-16 01:22
Re: Vessel manufacture 473 Thanos5150 12-May-16 01:52
Re: Vessel manufacture 440 Origyptian 12-May-16 02:26
Re: Vessel manufacture 367 Thanos5150 12-May-16 02:52
Re: Vessel manufacture 446 Martin Stower 12-May-16 21:22
Re: Vessel manufacture 455 Jon Ellison 12-May-16 02:01
Re: Vessel manufacture 393 Origyptian 12-May-16 02:20
Re: Vessel manufacture 442 Martin Stower 13-May-16 00:25
Re: Vessel manufacture 586 Martin Stower 12-May-16 13:23
Re: Vessel manufacture 482 Harte 12-May-16 22:15
Re: Vessel manufacture 429 Martin Stower 12-May-16 23:38
Re: Vessel manufacture 428 Thanos5150 13-May-16 00:28
Re: Vessel manufacture 423 Audrey 11-May-16 20:07
Re: Vessel manufacture 602 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:35
Re: Vessel manufacture 369 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:19
Re: Vessel manufacture 436 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 20:26
Re: Vessel manufacture 462 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:39
Re: Vessel manufacture 467 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 20:42
Re: Vessel manufacture 405 Origyptian 11-May-16 20:48
Re: Vessel manufacture 581 Corpuscles 11-May-16 23:52
Re: Vessel manufacture 564 Thanos5150 12-May-16 05:39
Re: Vessel manufacture 414 Corpuscles 12-May-16 08:12
Re: Vessel manufacture 426 DScribr 12-May-16 03:08
Re: Vessel manufacture 615 Audrey 11-May-16 19:55
Re: Vessel manufacture 483 Thanos5150 11-May-16 20:07
Re: Vessel manufacture 584 Origyptian 11-May-16 19:58
Re: Vessel manufacture 388 Corpuscles 11-May-16 23:25
Re: Vessel manufacture 437 Thanos5150 12-May-16 01:06
Re: Vessel manufacture 502 Audrey 12-May-16 01:47
Re: Vessel manufacture 411 Thanos5150 12-May-16 02:18
Re: Vessel manufacture 433 Martin Stower 13-May-16 00:03
Re: Vessel manufacture 508 Origyptian 12-May-16 02:34
Re: Vessel manufacture 451 Corpuscles 12-May-16 03:12
Re: Vessel manufacture 455 Thanos5150 12-May-16 04:05
Re: Vessel manufacture 432 Origyptian 12-May-16 04:23
Re: Vessel manufacture 492 Corpuscles 12-May-16 04:31
Re: Vessel manufacture 440 Audrey 12-May-16 06:44
Re: Vessel manufacture 397 Origyptian 12-May-16 04:16
Re: Vessel manufacture 525 Corpuscles 12-May-16 04:52
Re: Vessel manufacture 459 Origyptian 12-May-16 13:35
Re: Vessel manufacture 446 Martin Stower 12-May-16 21:49
Re: Vessel manufacture 449 Origyptian 12-May-16 22:07
Re: Vessel manufacture 448 Martin Stower 12-May-16 23:15
Re: Vessel manufacture 551 Origyptian 13-May-16 03:46
Re: Vessel manufacture 438 Martin Stower 13-May-16 18:31
Re: Vessel manufacture 367 DScribr 12-May-16 02:58
Re: Creighton persists 440 Martin Stower 12-May-16 11:42
Re: Creighton persists 422 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 11:00
Re: Creighton persists 445 Audrey 11-May-16 15:55
Re: Creighton persists 481 Jon Ellison 11-May-16 16:39
Re: Creighton persists 489 Audrey 09-May-16 01:44
Re: Creighton persists 540 Merrell 08-May-16 20:16
Re: Creighton persists 518 Audrey 08-May-16 20:36
Re: Creighton persists 544 Merrell 08-May-16 21:07
Re: Creighton persists 425 Audrey 08-May-16 21:10
Re: Creighton persists 523 Merrell 08-May-16 21:38
Re: Creighton persists 484 Audrey 08-May-16 21:59
Re: Creighton persists 455 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 21:27
Re: Creighton persists 488 Audrey 08-May-16 21:34
Re: Creighton persists 377 Origyptian 09-May-16 03:07
Re: Creighton persists 513 Audrey 09-May-16 03:18
Re: Creighton persists 448 Origyptian 09-May-16 04:06
Re: Creighton persists 497 Audrey 09-May-16 05:07
Re: Creighton persists 509 Origyptian 09-May-16 13:06
Re: Creighton persists 503 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 12:00
Re: Creighton persists 392 Origyptian 09-May-16 13:17
Re: Creighton persists 473 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 13:29
Re: Creighton persists 446 DScribr 09-May-16 13:30
Re: Creighton persists 470 Origyptian 09-May-16 02:09
Re: Creighton persists 470 Origyptian 09-May-16 01:49
Re: Creighton persists 541 Origyptian 08-May-16 02:13
Re: Creighton persists 292 Origyptian 08-May-16 02:07
Re: Drill baby drill.... 559 Thunderbird 08-May-16 02:41
Re: Drill baby drill.... 719 Origyptian 08-May-16 03:23
Re: Drill baby drill.... 585 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 11:38
We've been thru this 100 times. 439 DScribr 09-May-16 00:41
Re: We've been thru this 100 times. 497 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 01:00
Re: Drill baby drill.... 727 Harte 08-May-16 19:35
Re: Drill baby drill.... 508 DScribr 09-May-16 00:45
Re: Drill baby drill.... 523 Origyptian 09-May-16 02:14
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 569 Thunderbird 08-May-16 19:41
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 536 Audrey 08-May-16 20:49
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 457 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 20:55
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 396 Audrey 08-May-16 21:09
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 411 Jon Ellison 08-May-16 21:14
Re: OK. ..let's do some flooring now 494 Audrey 08-May-16 21:22
Too much interpretation 451 DScribr 09-May-16 00:36
Re: Too much interpretation 420 Jon Ellison 09-May-16 00:41
Refusal Persists 435 DScribr 09-May-16 00:21
Re: Creighton persists 421 Audrey 07-May-16 02:02
Re: Creighton persists 521 Jon Ellison 07-May-16 02:55
Re: Creighton persists 432 Audrey 07-May-16 04:14
Re: Creighton persists 492 Origyptian 06-May-16 18:21
Re: Creighton persists 422 Audrey 06-May-16 19:03
Re: Creighton persists 577 Martin Stower 07-May-16 01:00
Re: Creighton persists 478 Origyptian 06-May-16 20:12
Logic rarely persists here. 551 DScribr 08-May-16 20:40
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 499 Corpuscles 08-May-16 21:51
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 512 Origyptian 09-May-16 03:20
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 427 Harte 09-May-16 21:18
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 497 DScribr 10-May-16 02:23
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 641 Corpuscles 10-May-16 03:11
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 521 DScribr 10-May-16 03:38
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 539 Corpuscles 10-May-16 03:54
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 475 DScribr 10-May-16 13:42
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 509 Harte 10-May-16 10:03
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 475 Jon Ellison 10-May-16 10:06
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 411 Origyptian 10-May-16 11:28
Re: Logic rarely persists here. 488 DScribr 10-May-16 13:44