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Harte Wrote:
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> I don't know. Perhaps ice dam floods are far more
> impressicve.
>
> Also, I presume there are myths of volcanoes and
> earthquakes in areas where volcanoes and
> earthquakes are prevalent. Floods happen
> everywhere though.

California is famous for its fault lines, yet there are no legends of earthquakes. I haven't yet come across a stand alone earthquake or volcano myth. The earthquakes happened in conjunction with floods and other events.

> Regarding the vessel, the descriptions vary. As
> far as common details, though, didn't I already
> say that this could be conflation due to cultural
> contacts?

So you would explain flood myths in the Americas with cultural contacts?
How long would it take for a flood story to travel from the Mesopotamia area to the Americas? Also to Japan, Australia and Alaska? Are you saying the flood myths arrived in other continents recently, since you have to allow time for migration?

One or two towns flooded does not a myth make. We see floods yearly, as ancient man would have seen living along rivers. A river overflowing or an earthen levee bursting would not be the stuff of legends. It would have to be an extraordinary event to be worthy of passing generation to generation. So what would have caused such catastrophic floods? If you blame glacial melting then you have to go back to the end of the last ice age. Are you saying the flood myths originated 10,000 bc and spread to continents?

Without glacial melting, I don't know how you can account for the amount of water related in the myths. If there were several great floods, what would have caused them? Where did the water come from?

If you think the myths originated in Mesopotamia or shortly before, then aren't you assuming ancient man was an idiot who believed every fantastic tale told him by foreigners? That there were none who said..... ya right. That they had never witnessed or heard of a rain flooded valley or a river overflowing, and were so simpleminded that they exaggerated a local flood into a global flood. They were too stupid to know the difference? Well if the myth spread to other continents then they were traveling and would have seen the land was or was not devastated by a global flood. And they didn't stop to think.... what a load of bs that story was. Because ??

Because it wasn't "conflation due to cultural contacts". To allow for migration time for cultural contacts you have to place the floods much further back in time, meaning the myths survived by word of mouth alone for thousands of years and elements were added that local tribes couldn't possibly know of.

And the American natives whose myth involves going underground or floating in tree trunks, weren't they making canoes at the time? But they were too stupid to conceive of a giant canoe so they put their survivors in tree trunks?

And why would some myths speak of land appearing or land disappearing? A local flood wouldn't make land suddenly appear.

And how would you explain the Australian aborigines, whose culture predates Mesopotamia, having flood myths that contain elements not found in Gilgamesh? They just embellished stories before Mesopotamia created them?

And what of the Cave of Swimmers? The Sahara was wet enough for swimming with whales?

And there isn't one of us on this board who is involved with or part of a native culture. Yet you all presume to know how and why these myths were generated and survived. They simply sat around campfires telling stories because they had nothing better to do with their extreme gullibility? You can't possibly know their motivation without being immersed in their culture. Is there even a Jew on this board who has studied the Torah?

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Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 3522 Thanos5150 26-Apr-16 02:43
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Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 739 Thanos5150 01-May-16 22:54
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Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 1104 Origyptian 26-Apr-16 15:21
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