Mysteries :  The Official GrahamHancock.com forums
For serious discussion of the controversies, approaches and enigmas surrounding the origins and development of the human species and of human civilization. (NB: for more ‘out there’ posts we point you in the direction of the ‘Paranormal & Supernatural’ Message Board). 
Welcome! Log InRegister
Harte Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I don't know. Perhaps ice dam floods are far more
> impressicve.
>
> Also, I presume there are myths of volcanoes and
> earthquakes in areas where volcanoes and
> earthquakes are prevalent. Floods happen
> everywhere though.

California is famous for its fault lines, yet there are no legends of earthquakes. I haven't yet come across a stand alone earthquake or volcano myth. The earthquakes happened in conjunction with floods and other events.

> Regarding the vessel, the descriptions vary. As
> far as common details, though, didn't I already
> say that this could be conflation due to cultural
> contacts?

So you would explain flood myths in the Americas with cultural contacts?
How long would it take for a flood story to travel from the Mesopotamia area to the Americas? Also to Japan, Australia and Alaska? Are you saying the flood myths arrived in other continents recently, since you have to allow time for migration?

One or two towns flooded does not a myth make. We see floods yearly, as ancient man would have seen living along rivers. A river overflowing or an earthen levee bursting would not be the stuff of legends. It would have to be an extraordinary event to be worthy of passing generation to generation. So what would have caused such catastrophic floods? If you blame glacial melting then you have to go back to the end of the last ice age. Are you saying the flood myths originated 10,000 bc and spread to continents?

Without glacial melting, I don't know how you can account for the amount of water related in the myths. If there were several great floods, what would have caused them? Where did the water come from?

If you think the myths originated in Mesopotamia or shortly before, then aren't you assuming ancient man was an idiot who believed every fantastic tale told him by foreigners? That there were none who said..... ya right. That they had never witnessed or heard of a rain flooded valley or a river overflowing, and were so simpleminded that they exaggerated a local flood into a global flood. They were too stupid to know the difference? Well if the myth spread to other continents then they were traveling and would have seen the land was or was not devastated by a global flood. And they didn't stop to think.... what a load of bs that story was. Because ??

Because it wasn't "conflation due to cultural contacts". To allow for migration time for cultural contacts you have to place the floods much further back in time, meaning the myths survived by word of mouth alone for thousands of years and elements were added that local tribes couldn't possibly know of.

And the American natives whose myth involves going underground or floating in tree trunks, weren't they making canoes at the time? But they were too stupid to conceive of a giant canoe so they put their survivors in tree trunks?

And why would some myths speak of land appearing or land disappearing? A local flood wouldn't make land suddenly appear.

And how would you explain the Australian aborigines, whose culture predates Mesopotamia, having flood myths that contain elements not found in Gilgamesh? They just embellished stories before Mesopotamia created them?

And what of the Cave of Swimmers? The Sahara was wet enough for swimming with whales?

And there isn't one of us on this board who is involved with or part of a native culture. Yet you all presume to know how and why these myths were generated and survived. They simply sat around campfires telling stories because they had nothing better to do with their extreme gullibility? You can't possibly know their motivation without being immersed in their culture. Is there even a Jew on this board who has studied the Torah?

He who knows all the answers has not been asked all the questions - Confucius

Options: ReplyQuote


Subject Views Written By Posted
Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 3486 Thanos5150 26-Apr-16 02:43
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 1013 Audrey 26-Apr-16 04:38
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 906 R Avry Wilson 26-Apr-16 07:00
The Tower 973 loveritas 26-Apr-16 11:32
Re: The Tower 812 Thunderbird 26-Apr-16 16:23
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 916 Thanos5150 26-Apr-16 17:45
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 778 R Avry Wilson 27-Apr-16 01:00
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 1064 Thanos5150 27-Apr-16 17:15
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 813 R Avry Wilson 30-Apr-16 03:17
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 1073 Thanos5150 30-Apr-16 21:47
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 734 Origyptian 30-Apr-16 23:19
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 770 Aine 01-May-16 22:04
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 728 Thanos5150 01-May-16 22:54
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 2198 Thanos5150 28-Apr-16 23:03
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 844 R Avry Wilson 30-Apr-16 03:36
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 761 Thanos5150 30-Apr-16 22:18
The Unanswered Mystery of 7,000-year-old Ubaid Lizard figurines 502 dmatherly 02-Jan-17 23:46
Re: The Unanswered Mystery of 7,000-year-old Ubaid Lizard figurines 541 Thanos5150 03-Jan-17 05:26
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 973 Origyptian 26-Apr-16 15:21
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 811 Thunderbird 27-Apr-16 20:42
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 843 Thanos5150 26-Apr-16 16:08
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 685 OCaptain 01-May-16 20:59
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 781 Corpuscles 01-May-16 22:25
A Rather Close Family 887 loveritas 01-May-16 23:56
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 792 Thanos5150 01-May-16 22:39
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 692 Eddie Larry 01-May-16 23:36
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 741 eli stills 02-May-16 02:06
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 870 Thanos5150 02-May-16 03:44
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 745 eli stills 02-May-16 05:32
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 824 Harte 02-May-16 09:48
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 738 eli stills 02-May-16 15:03
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 741 Origyptian 02-May-16 16:50
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 654 eli stills 03-May-16 00:30
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 706 Origyptian 03-May-16 21:40
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 696 Eddie Larry 03-May-16 21:53
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 641 Origyptian 03-May-16 22:02
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 748 Eddie Larry 03-May-16 22:13
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 784 Origyptian 04-May-16 03:01
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 812 Origyptian 04-May-16 03:25
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 714 Corpuscles 04-May-16 23:57
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 693 Origyptian 05-May-16 02:54
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 742 eli stills 04-May-16 01:12
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 694 Origyptian 04-May-16 03:09
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 753 Thanos5150 02-May-16 20:29
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 711 Harte 02-May-16 21:41
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 781 Thanos5150 02-May-16 22:14
Re: It was not......they will not listen 759 Thunderbird 02-May-16 22:54
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 739 Harte 03-May-16 00:04
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 734 Thanos5150 03-May-16 00:52
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 717 Harte 03-May-16 22:00
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 708 Origyptian 03-May-16 22:05
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 777 Eddie Larry 04-May-16 01:49
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 711 Harte 05-May-16 22:18
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 512 Eddie Larry 05-May-16 22:31
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 694 Harte 05-May-16 22:50
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 735 Eddie Larry 06-May-16 00:57
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 754 Harte 06-May-16 10:08
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 687 Origyptian 06-May-16 12:36
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 650 Eddie Larry 06-May-16 15:26
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 795 Harte 06-May-16 16:56
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 662 Aine 06-May-16 23:28
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 648 Thanos5150 06-May-16 23:35
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 761 Audrey 07-May-16 01:52
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 842 Harte 07-May-16 12:18
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 683 Audrey 07-May-16 17:55
Standing on the Shoulders of Giants (who are descending into ruts) 752 cladking 07-May-16 18:05
Re: Standing on the Shoulders of Giants (who are descending into ruts) 720 Audrey 07-May-16 18:40
Re: Standing on the Shoulders of Giants (who are descending into ruts) 763 cladking 07-May-16 18:57
Re: Standing on the Shoulders of Giants (who are descending into ruts) 713 Audrey 07-May-16 21:47
Re: Standing on the Shoulders of Giants (who are descending into ruts) 753 Origyptian 08-May-16 02:44
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 749 eyeofhorus33 08-May-16 05:34
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 634 Audrey 08-May-16 17:53
Enter Melchizedek 769 loveritas 02-May-16 05:31
Re: Enter Melchizedek 742 eli stills 02-May-16 15:44
Re: Enter Melchizedek 823 loveritas 02-May-16 21:17
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 686 Origyptian 02-May-16 03:18
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 744 OCaptain 04-May-16 23:16
Re:Plato 650 Thunderbird 09-May-16 01:24
An Allegory 612 loveritas 10-May-16 22:27
Re: An Allegory 728 Thanos5150 11-May-16 01:14
Re: An Allegory 646 Thunderbird 12-May-16 21:03
Re: An Allegory 582 loveritas 12-May-16 23:19
Re: An Allegory 626 Thunderbird 13-May-16 01:45
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 582 Thanos5150 02-Jan-17 19:16
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 475 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-17 19:39
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 555 Thanos5150 02-Jan-17 20:32
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 621 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-17 04:56
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 800 Thanos5150 03-Jan-17 18:17


Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.