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Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> Hello Brian.
>
> OCaptain Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Thanos,
> >
> > It's always fascinating to see what mysteries
> > people see in the past, and what answers they
> seek
> > in the process. Thanks for sharing. If there's
> one
> > thing I'd consider changing is your book title
> > (I'm assuming that you might be playing around
> > with book title ideas here?)
>
> This is not the title of the book, just the
> thread. Presented here as stated is just an
> excerpt which has to do with the "Mesopotamian
> Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth".
>
> > It seems like your book idea is finding the
> > historical origins of the Mesopotamian flood
> myth.
>
> No. It is the first chapter, and regardless, many
> other books have been written on the Mesopotamian
> origins of the Biblical flood myth among other
> Biblical tales.
>
> > I think it's confusing to potential readers to
> > bring into it the biblical flood myth.
>
> The Biblical flood myth is the most commonly known
> tale which just about anyone is familiar with
> which most do not realize is derived from earlier
> Mesopotamian tales. This chapter does not start
> here, but first goes into other flood myths around
> the world which share the same basic details with
> the idea being they all share a common origin with
> the oldest written form being found in
> Mesopotamia, therefore, the closer we are to the
> original the closer we are to the truth.
>
> > We can look
> > at the fact that Gilgamesh predates the OT by
> > centuries - or millennia - depending on how you
> > calculate it, all we want.
>
> Which would be true.
>
> > We can look at how
> > there are similar-sounding turns of phrase in
> > both, etc.
>
> Not just "similar" but in some cases almost
> identical and in the same succession of the
> narrative. Again, but a few examples:
>
>
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The sea grew calm and on the seventh day
> they rested on a peak of a mountain, which the
> Bible tell us it was the “seventh month”. And
> like Noah, Utnapishtim also released several birds
> until they did not come back meaning they had at
> last found dry land. And just like the Bible that
> tells us how after the ark had been evacuated, the
> “Lord smelled a sweet savour” of the burnt
> offerings, so too had the gods of the Epic of
> Gilgamesh “…smelled the sweet savour…” of
> the sacrifice.
>
> These are not just "turns of a phrase".
>
> > What we can't prove is that the
> > biblical writers had access to Gilgamesh, the
> > ability to read it and translate it, and were
> > inclined to adopt its message - either in part
> or
> > in whole.
>
> Suggesting such is to be otherwise completely
> unaware of the history of the Hebrew people part
> of which I outline in the OP as told by the Bible
> itself. I did not make it up nor is it my
> "opinion". Regardless, the Mesopotamian origin of
> the Biblical flood myth is not original to me and
> has been widely accepted amongst scholars for
> quite some time.
>
>
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"It is generally admitted that certain
> parallel ideas which are found expressed in the
> literature of ancient Israel concerning the
> creation of the world, and in a story of creation
> as handed down by the Babylonians, have a common
> origin...These and other points of resemblance, it
> is generally admitted leave no doubt as to there
> being a relationship between the cosmogony of
> Israel and that handed down by the Babylonians. It
> naturally followed that either the Biblical
> conception was borrowed from the Babylonian; or
> the Babylonian was borrowed from the Biblical; or
> both were founded on a common primitive
> source...Scholars generally have dismissed the
> second supposition as an impossibility' and the
> third is excluded on the ground that the stories
> contain a large percentage of Babylonian ideas.
> The Biblical conception of creation, therefore,
> they say, is of Babylonian origin...In the nearly
> fifty years which have passed since the first
> translation was made, this has become the
> prevailing view; and it has been generally
> accepted everywhere as fully established. "In
> fact," as the late Canon Driver has written, "no
> archaeologist questions that the Biblical
> cosmogony, however altered in form and stripped of
> its original polytheism, is, in its main outlines,
> derived from Babylonia."
>
> (pp. 66- 67. "The Creation Story." Albert T. Clay.
> The Origin of Biblical Traditions, Hebrew Legends
> in Babylonia and Israel. New Haven. Yale
> University Press. 1923)
>
> Even more true today as it was in 1923.
>
> > I would suggest letting the Mesopotamian
> research
> > and work stand on its own, because the biblical
> > connections implied in your thread title are
> quite
> > tenuous.
>
> The connections are beyond reproach and
> universally accepted even by religious scholars.
> No one doubts they share a connection, the only
> argument, to the faithful anyway, is "what does it
> mean".



Okay. :)

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Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 3522 Thanos5150 26-Apr-16 02:43
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 1022 Audrey 26-Apr-16 04:38
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 925 R Avry Wilson 26-Apr-16 07:00
The Tower 986 loveritas 26-Apr-16 11:32
Re: The Tower 826 Thunderbird 26-Apr-16 16:23
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 927 Thanos5150 26-Apr-16 17:45
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 787 R Avry Wilson 27-Apr-16 01:00
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 1077 Thanos5150 27-Apr-16 17:15
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 823 R Avry Wilson 30-Apr-16 03:17
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 1156 Thanos5150 30-Apr-16 21:47
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 745 Origyptian 30-Apr-16 23:19
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 781 Aine 01-May-16 22:04
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 739 Thanos5150 01-May-16 22:54
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 2220 Thanos5150 28-Apr-16 23:03
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 854 R Avry Wilson 30-Apr-16 03:36
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 772 Thanos5150 30-Apr-16 22:18
The Unanswered Mystery of 7,000-year-old Ubaid Lizard figurines 517 dmatherly 02-Jan-17 23:46
Re: The Unanswered Mystery of 7,000-year-old Ubaid Lizard figurines 553 Thanos5150 03-Jan-17 05:26
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 1104 Origyptian 26-Apr-16 15:21
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 830 Thunderbird 27-Apr-16 20:42
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 854 Thanos5150 26-Apr-16 16:08
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 695 OCaptain 01-May-16 20:59
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 792 Corpuscles 01-May-16 22:25
A Rather Close Family 902 loveritas 01-May-16 23:56
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 801 Thanos5150 01-May-16 22:39
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 702 Eddie Larry 01-May-16 23:36
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 752 eli stills 02-May-16 02:06
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 882 Thanos5150 02-May-16 03:44
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 756 eli stills 02-May-16 05:32
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 834 Harte 02-May-16 09:48
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 748 eli stills 02-May-16 15:03
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 753 Origyptian 02-May-16 16:50
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 667 eli stills 03-May-16 00:30
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 716 Origyptian 03-May-16 21:40
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 707 Eddie Larry 03-May-16 21:53
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 650 Origyptian 03-May-16 22:02
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 795 Eddie Larry 03-May-16 22:13
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 843 Origyptian 04-May-16 03:01
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 830 Origyptian 04-May-16 03:25
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 733 Corpuscles 04-May-16 23:57
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 706 Origyptian 05-May-16 02:54
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 757 eli stills 04-May-16 01:12
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 703 Origyptian 04-May-16 03:09
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 765 Thanos5150 02-May-16 20:29
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 721 Harte 02-May-16 21:41
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 789 Thanos5150 02-May-16 22:14
Re: It was not......they will not listen 769 Thunderbird 02-May-16 22:54
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 748 Harte 03-May-16 00:04
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 744 Thanos5150 03-May-16 00:52
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 727 Harte 03-May-16 22:00
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 718 Origyptian 03-May-16 22:05
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 791 Eddie Larry 04-May-16 01:49
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 721 Harte 05-May-16 22:18
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 524 Eddie Larry 05-May-16 22:31
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 704 Harte 05-May-16 22:50
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 745 Eddie Larry 06-May-16 00:57
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 763 Harte 06-May-16 10:08
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 709 Origyptian 06-May-16 12:36
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 662 Eddie Larry 06-May-16 15:26
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 804 Harte 06-May-16 16:56
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 678 Aine 06-May-16 23:28
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 665 Thanos5150 06-May-16 23:35
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 772 Audrey 07-May-16 01:52
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 877 Harte 07-May-16 12:18
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 694 Audrey 07-May-16 17:55
Standing on the Shoulders of Giants (who are descending into ruts) 763 cladking 07-May-16 18:05
Re: Standing on the Shoulders of Giants (who are descending into ruts) 738 Audrey 07-May-16 18:40
Re: Standing on the Shoulders of Giants (who are descending into ruts) 775 cladking 07-May-16 18:57
Re: Standing on the Shoulders of Giants (who are descending into ruts) 724 Audrey 07-May-16 21:47
Re: Standing on the Shoulders of Giants (who are descending into ruts) 764 Origyptian 08-May-16 02:44
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 761 eyeofhorus33 08-May-16 05:34
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 666 Audrey 08-May-16 17:53
Enter Melchizedek 780 loveritas 02-May-16 05:31
Re: Enter Melchizedek 753 eli stills 02-May-16 15:44
Re: Enter Melchizedek 833 loveritas 02-May-16 21:17
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 700 Origyptian 02-May-16 03:18
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 753 OCaptain 04-May-16 23:16
Re:Plato 661 Thunderbird 09-May-16 01:24
An Allegory 622 loveritas 10-May-16 22:27
Re: An Allegory 739 Thanos5150 11-May-16 01:14
Re: An Allegory 663 Thunderbird 12-May-16 21:03
Re: An Allegory 591 loveritas 12-May-16 23:19
Re: An Allegory 638 Thunderbird 13-May-16 01:45
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 598 Thanos5150 02-Jan-17 19:16
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 485 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-17 19:39
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 565 Thanos5150 02-Jan-17 20:32
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 633 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-17 04:56
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 848 Thanos5150 03-Jan-17 18:17


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