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Thanos:
> Given Abraham, the Bible tells us, lived in the
> Sumerian (then Akkadian) city of Ur, meaning he
> himself was Mesopotamian, it should be no mystery
> then when Abraham left Ur he took his Mesopotamian
> cultural heritage with him to be told and retold
> becoming eventually, like all the rest, yet
> another culturally unique version derived from the
> Sumerian original. But even more likely, the
> Hebrew account of the Flood was derived long after
> Abraham from much later sources, like Babylon or
> Assyria, who had copied the earlier Sumerian tale
> themselves several hundred years before the first
> books of the Bible were ever written-before
> Abraham had even been born
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>
> Upon review I now see that Thanos allows for the
> argument of an influence other than through
> Abraham and so perhaps I am forcing him to defend
> an argument that he does not strongly support.
> While I was initially confused as to why he
> mentions Abraham in the seconds sentence (-before
> Abraham had even been born) I now suspect he is
> likely just conflating Abraham with Israel to
> maintain his train of thought.

This is correct. I am not attempting to show "when" exactly the Biblical version was derived, but just the fact, regardless of how one wishes to look at it, that it derived from an earlier Mesopotamian source regardless.

(cut and pasted from above):

> ...the post captivity argument creates
> a better timeline between the Babylonian myth and
> the Hebrew culture and writings though Hebrew
> tradition palaces the genesis of the Torah as
> prior to the captivity and authored by Moses.

The Hebrew Babylonian captivity period seems a probable origin to some, but I disagree in that it is more likely it was merely around this time they decided to write their version down which was probably further embellished by way of Babylonian copies to flesh out the tale during the editing process. What must be understood is that the Mesopotamian flood myth was ubiquitous in the the ancient world in which several fragments in various stages of completeness have been found in multiple languages dating to well before the Babylonian captivity. Just as today one would be hard pressed to find any culture exposed to Western society that does not have some reckoning of the Biblical Noah version even as simple as "God caused a flood and a guy survived by building a boat" which would appear the ancient world was no different regarding the Mesopotamian tale.

> Regardless my intent was to point out that the
> correlation between Abraham’s birthplace and the
> flood story is tenuous and I hope Thanos
> understands that my criticism was meant to be
> constructive and not disruptive.

No worries. I understand what you are saying but I disagree in the sense it is the original story from "Abraham's birthplace" that was diffused to the greater Mediterranean world which in some form or another was shared by just about every culture and passed down through the ages as their own. Abraham would have taken these stories with him and just about anyone his people encountered, including the Egyptians you believe eventually enslaved them, had fundamentally similar tales.

> Again I want to acknowledge that I am aware that
> this is but a portion of a larger work in which
> this subject is extraneous and that I am grateful
> that he was willing to offer up his research to
> resolve the unfounded assertion that the Tower of
> Babel was built in a low lying valley.

As noted HERE.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 02-May-16 22:41 by Thanos5150.

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Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 3334 Thanos5150 26-Apr-16 02:43
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 964 Audrey 26-Apr-16 04:38
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 857 R Avry Wilson 26-Apr-16 07:00
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Re: The Tower 762 Thunderbird 26-Apr-16 16:23
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 866 Thanos5150 26-Apr-16 17:45
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 726 R Avry Wilson 27-Apr-16 01:00
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 1016 Thanos5150 27-Apr-16 17:15
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 765 R Avry Wilson 30-Apr-16 03:17
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 910 Thanos5150 30-Apr-16 21:47
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 687 Origyptian 30-Apr-16 23:19
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 722 Aine 01-May-16 22:04
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 681 Thanos5150 01-May-16 22:54
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 2094 Thanos5150 28-Apr-16 23:03
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 798 R Avry Wilson 30-Apr-16 03:36
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 711 Thanos5150 30-Apr-16 22:18
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Re: The Unanswered Mystery of 7,000-year-old Ubaid Lizard figurines 498 Thanos5150 03-Jan-17 05:26
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 829 Origyptian 26-Apr-16 15:21
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 764 Thunderbird 27-Apr-16 20:42
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 797 Thanos5150 26-Apr-16 16:08
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 644 OCaptain 01-May-16 20:59
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 735 Corpuscles 01-May-16 22:25
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Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 741 Thanos5150 01-May-16 22:39
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 645 Eddie Larry 01-May-16 23:36
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 693 eli stills 02-May-16 02:06
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 827 Thanos5150 02-May-16 03:44
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Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 594 Origyptian 03-May-16 22:02
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Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 730 Eddie Larry 04-May-16 01:49
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 668 Harte 05-May-16 22:18
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Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 688 Eddie Larry 06-May-16 00:57
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Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 646 Origyptian 06-May-16 12:36
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 607 Eddie Larry 06-May-16 15:26
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Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 585 Thanos5150 06-May-16 23:35
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Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 587 Audrey 08-May-16 17:53
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Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 637 Origyptian 02-May-16 03:18
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Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 431 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-17 19:39
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Biblical Flood Myth 511 Thanos5150 02-Jan-17 20:32
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