> Given Abraham, the Bible tells us, lived in the
> Sumerian (then Akkadian) city of Ur, meaning he
> himself was Mesopotamian, it should be no mystery
> then when Abraham left Ur he took his Mesopotamian
> cultural heritage with him to be told and retold
> becoming eventually, like all the rest, yet
> another culturally unique version derived from the
> Sumerian original. But even more likely, the
> Hebrew account of the Flood was derived long after
> Abraham from much later sources, like Babylon or
> Assyria, who had copied the earlier Sumerian tale
> themselves several hundred years before the first
> books of the Bible were ever written-before
> Abraham had even been born.
> Upon review I now see that Thanos allows for the
> argument of an influence other than through
> Abraham and so perhaps I am forcing him to defend
> an argument that he does not strongly support.
> While I was initially confused as to why he
> mentions Abraham in the seconds sentence (-before
> Abraham had even been born) I now suspect he is
> likely just conflating Abraham with Israel to
> maintain his train of thought.
This is correct. I am not attempting to show "when" exactly the Biblical version was derived, but just the fact, regardless of how one wishes to look at it, that it derived from an earlier Mesopotamian source regardless.
(cut and pasted from above):
> ...the post captivity argument creates
> a better timeline between the Babylonian myth and
> the Hebrew culture and writings though Hebrew
> tradition palaces the genesis of the Torah as
> prior to the captivity and authored by Moses.
The Hebrew Babylonian captivity period seems a probable origin to some, but I disagree in that it is more likely it was merely around this time they decided to write their version down which was probably further embellished by way of Babylonian copies to flesh out the tale during the editing process. What must be understood is that the Mesopotamian flood myth was ubiquitous in the the ancient world in which several fragments in various stages of completeness have been found in multiple languages dating to well before the Babylonian captivity. Just as today one would be hard pressed to find any culture exposed to Western society that does not have some reckoning of the Biblical Noah version even as simple as "God caused a flood and a guy survived by building a boat" which would appear the ancient world was no different regarding the Mesopotamian tale.
> Regardless my intent was to point out that the
> correlation between Abraham’s birthplace and the
> flood story is tenuous and I hope Thanos
> understands that my criticism was meant to be
> constructive and not disruptive.
No worries. I understand what you are saying but I disagree in the sense it is the original story from "Abraham's birthplace" that was diffused to the greater Mediterranean world which in some form or another was shared by just about every culture and passed down through the ages as their own. Abraham would have taken these stories with him and just about anyone his people encountered, including the Egyptians you believe eventually enslaved them, had fundamentally similar tales.
> Again I want to acknowledge that I am aware that
> this is but a portion of a larger work in which
> this subject is extraneous and that I am grateful
> that he was willing to offer up his research to
> resolve the unfounded assertion that the Tower of
> Babel was built in a low lying valley.
As noted HERE.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 02-May-16 22:41 by Thanos5150.