R Avry Wilson Wrote:
> Hi Lee,
> Nicely argued.
> I think an earlier source arriving by barding
> (seeing how an earlier source would not have been
> in writing, only spoken lore) in different regions
> would have skewed the account far beyond how they
> (Meso:Bible) ended up. The Eridu find is a good
> reason to suspect otherwise, though, so I am
> probably shooting my own foot here. Nevertheless,
> my point is more about the distribution of written
> material as opposed to the spoken word.
I added a note at the end of the OP to clarify in answer to the question "...if they [the Sumerians] are not the originators of the flood myth, then who before them was?" is meant to lead to the next segment which discusses the Ubaid culture that directly preceded the Sumerians in the region. The greater point of this chapter is to lead to a series of known catastrophic events that occurred in Eurasia c. 6,000BC to suggest the original flood myth was based on actual events that occurred at this time in which the Ubaid would have been part of the main group of survivors ergo this is where the tale originated from which was passed down to the Sumerians who in turn passed it along to others and so on.
> Also, my opinion on the Babel account is that it
> was included in the Bible narrative as a tool to
> answer the question of the devout of 'why are
> there so many languages in the world'? That is,
> the story is purely allegorical, i.e. no tower
> actually exists. They did the best they could to
> account for the differences in languages, not
> knowing what we do today of lingual evolution and
> geographical separation. What are your thoughts on
> this view?
I completely agree. Even the story itself is out of place within the narrative and seems a disjointed addition by a later editor. I do not think there was ever an actual "Tower of Babel" in the context of the events described but it is possible there was a particular ziggurat the writer had in mind as a muse for the tale.
> I should note I have had some of my own ideas on
> this (years past), but never really penned
> anything extensive beyond my mention in
I would be very interested.
> I have found it interesting the
> origins in southern Turkey, perhaps investigating
> a root as far north as the Black Sea shores (maybe
> even Caucasus). Reason for pushing the latitude is
> I always thought the whole Ararat inclusion a
> mysterious survivor within the text; the story
> being allegorical, more local mounts would have
> sufficed to fill out the plot.
I beleive in general the path of the history of civilization leads in this direction, to the Caucasus/Black Sea/Caspian Sea region. C. 6,000BC there were also what seem to be relatively sudden and sizable migrations from somewhere in the north to southern Anatolia/Mesopotamia which the Ubaid would have been a key component as well as the Vinca/Danube culture of eastern Europe.
> Look forward to more of your work on this.
Thanks. It goes in spurts but hopefully next month I will set aside some more time to make another push.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 26-Apr-16 17:47 by Thanos5150.